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 Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:39 am
VK Fox:
You may have noticed that the Actual Question asked, was not the same as the headline.
I will say mine on this, at least:
Yes, you can be Good without God, technically:
Just help those you can help, and avoid doing bad things as best you can.
It's as simple as that .........
But i DO understand:
Some may need a religion of some kind, to have something GOOD to rely on, and/or as a guide through the world, to be able to follow it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:06 am
Captain_Shinzo: Quote: Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from. No, not "Religion", they contributed to "Christianity", though. Doublecheck your sources. xxEternallyBluexx: ........... I CAN'T kill myself. I would have done it several years ago, if i could, if only to tell God: "You have thrown too much at me this time, i cannot take this ........." If i had killed myself, God would have NO REASON to be disappointed in me, i have always done what i could under the circumstances. I'm not very "Pious", and i swear frequently, but i do what i can, and if God want me to do more, then God makes me able to do so. Yes. I question GOD, not the existance, but the decisions. I also question Science, and even my own viewpoints. That way, it is easier to find the possible truths behind it all, instead of just settling for self-proclaimed "Answers". God don't mind answering, by the way, but the answers may be nither what you like, nor expect, and may even have to be questioned further. I don't think i question Atheism any longer, there is really nothing to question as such, normally. ..................................................
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:35 am
xxEternallyBluexx I'm torn, because I actually think the Christian was right in away, but he should have put his money into a better way to get the message out, like an organization that builds orphanages that also teach the Gospel. I can't see the point of spreading atheism because there's no consequences if you aren't an atheist, but I can see the point of spreading a religion like Christianity where the unSaved might go to Hell. First of all, I'd just like to assure you that I did NOT quote you to just mindlessly bash Christians... (because some people do, and it IS rude...) I grew up as a Christian, in a Christian church, and participating in Christian based clubs. I would listen to people talk about the grace of God, and I wanted to be like them. Just to be certain that he was watching and loved me. But when I kneeled down to pray, it felt like I was talking to thin air. Soon I started to wonder, "Is there something wrong with me? Why can't I feel this connection? Does God really not love me, or did I do something to him?" I was scared. But I couldn't ask anyone in church for help. It just seemed so wrong to tell people that I was doubting ever word they told me. Years later, the church closed down. It was very sad. And it was also the best thing that has happened to me in my entire life. My mom and I moved to a new church, a Unitarian Universalist church. It is a special religion that accepts ALL religions. The only thing you have to believe is the equality of all people, and the importance of taking care of each other and our world, and you are connected. It is the most holy place I have ever been to. Christianity is a great thing for some people. It gives them hope, makes them a better person. But some people need something different. I believe that we as humans should not force religion, but only teach it so people can learn and choose. Wow, that was REALLY long. Sorry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:08 pm
Tiina Brown VK Fox: You may have noticed that the Actual Question asked, was not the same as the headline. I will say mine on this, at least: Yes, you can be Good without God, technically: Just help those you can help, and avoid doing bad things as best you can. It's as simple as that ......... But i DO understand: Some may need a religion of some kind, to have something GOOD to rely on, and/or as a guide through the world, to be able to follow it. That would have made for a more interesting topic since a lot of Christians seem to think that an atheist is automatically a monster for not believing in God. It's actually kind of scary and makes you wonder what would happen if they stopped being Christians, is that all that's keeping them from being serial killers?
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:36 pm
Tiina Brown xxEternallyBluexx: ........... I CAN'T kill myself. I would have done it several years ago, if i could, if only to tell God: "You have thrown too much at me this time, i cannot take this ........." If i had killed myself, God would have NO REASON to be disappointed in me, i have always done what i could under the circumstances. I'm not very "Pious", and i swear frequently, but i do what i can, and if God want me to do more, then God makes me able to do so. Yes. I question GOD, not the existance, but the decisions. I also question Science, and even my own viewpoints. That way, it is easier to find the possible truths behind it all, instead of just settling for self-proclaimed "Answers". God don't mind answering, by the way, but the answers may be nither what you like, nor expect, and may even have to be questioned further. I don't think i question Atheism any longer, there is really nothing to question as such, normally. .................................................. I'd find a way, if I had good reason to think He didn't exist. It's not just the whole not wanting to disappoint Him thing though-it's also that being here means something. It matters that we're alive, and doing everything we can. If there's no God, then life's too much trouble. That's my whole thing. And questioning God's a good thing, as long as your not doing it to tear Him down or anything like that.
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:42 pm
dimentia44 xxEternallyBluexx I'm torn, because I actually think the Christian was right in away, but he should have put his money into a better way to get the message out, like an organization that builds orphanages that also teach the Gospel. I can't see the point of spreading atheism because there's no consequences if you aren't an atheist, but I can see the point of spreading a religion like Christianity where the unSaved might go to Hell. First of all, I'd just like to assure you that I did NOT quote you to just mindlessly bash Christians... (because some people do, and it IS rude...) I grew up as a Christian, in a Christian church, and participating in Christian based clubs. I would listen to people talk about the grace of God, and I wanted to be like them. Just to be certain that he was watching and loved me. But when I kneeled down to pray, it felt like I was talking to thin air. Soon I started to wonder, "Is there something wrong with me? Why can't I feel this connection? Does God really not love me, or did I do something to him?" I was scared. But I couldn't ask anyone in church for help. It just seemed so wrong to tell people that I was doubting ever word they told me. Years later, the church closed down. It was very sad. And it was also the best thing that has happened to me in my entire life. My mom and I moved to a new church, a Unitarian Universalist church. It is a special religion that accepts ALL religions. The only thing you have to believe is the equality of all people, and the importance of taking care of each other and our world, and you are connected. It is the most holy place I have ever been to. Christianity is a great thing for some people. It gives them hope, makes them a better person. But some people need something different. I believe that we as humans should not force religion, but only teach it so people can learn and choose. Wow, that was REALLY long. Sorry. sweatdrop It doesn't seem like a bash. ^^ I used to feel like that too, but when I let that go it went away and I got to meet Him. I was kinda amazed at both how easy and how hard it was to just quit worrying and start counting on Him. It's hard to explain, but there I do think anyone can find a way to connect to Him. That's why we have free will but there's still only one way.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:20 am
Ick. I hate the idea of advertising for a religion. The whole idea of having billboards for Christianity or Atheism just seems weird to me. It's like if they started advertising for Buddhism in the PennySaver or Islam on banana stickers... It seems pushy and obnoxious, and kind of disrespectful to the belief systems themselves. I mean, either people are going to convert or they're not; nobody's going to have a sudden religious conversion or crisis of faith just because a billboard told them to.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:24 am
The problem with religious tolerance nowadays is that it's not even "tolerant", but "indifferent". Real religious tolerance comes from inter-faith dialogue, not by simply being indifferent to religion altogether.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:08 am
Emperor Angelo XXV The problem with religious tolerance nowadays is that it's not even "tolerant", but "indifferent". Real religious tolerance comes from inter-faith dialogue, not by simply being indifferent to religion altogether. Agreed. Though I'd say it's more of a "I'll shut up if you shut up" kind of tolerance.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:14 am
Julri Ick. I hate the idea of advertising for a religion. The whole idea of having billboards for Christianity or Atheism just seems weird to me. It's like if they started advertising for Buddhism in the PennySaver or Islam on banana stickers... It seems pushy and obnoxious, and kind of disrespectful to the belief systems themselves. I mean, either people are going to convert or they're not; nobody's going to have a sudden religious conversion or crisis of faith just because a billboard told them to. It's not about converting people. The atheist billboards are meant to reach out to fellow atheists, since it's a minority, and atheists are often looked down upon.  I don't have anything against these for example. And I can't believe some christians actually find them "offensive".
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:20 pm
Tiina Brown Captain_Shinzo: Quote: Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from. No, not "Religion", they contributed to "Christianity", though. Doublecheck your sources.
My point still stands with man creating religion, however.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:23 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Tiina Brown xxEternallyBluexx: ........... I CAN'T kill myself. I would have done it several years ago, if i could, if only to tell God: "You have thrown too much at me this time, i cannot take this ........." If i had killed myself, God would have NO REASON to be disappointed in me, i have always done what i could under the circumstances. I'm not very "Pious", and i swear frequently, but i do what i can, and if God want me to do more, then God makes me able to do so. Yes. I question GOD, not the existance, but the decisions. I also question Science, and even my own viewpoints. That way, it is easier to find the possible truths behind it all, instead of just settling for self-proclaimed "Answers". God don't mind answering, by the way, but the answers may be nither what you like, nor expect, and may even have to be questioned further. I don't think i question Atheism any longer, there is really nothing to question as such, normally. .................................................. I'd find a way, if I had good reason to think He didn't exist. It's not just the whole not wanting to disappoint Him thing though-it's also that being here means something. It matters that we're alive, and doing everything we can. If there's no God, then life's too much trouble. That's my whole thing. And questioning God's a good thing, as long as your not doing it to tear Him down or anything like that.
Why does everyone care about meaning now?
Everything has meaning, even life. Why does death have to be meaning? Sounds so depressing.
What is this meaning anyway? I mean, what kind of meaning does God give you, what purpose? Are you suppose to help God in some way or is your purpose being the same relationship between a dog and man?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:05 pm
Artto Julri Ick. I hate the idea of advertising for a religion. The whole idea of having billboards for Christianity or Atheism just seems weird to me. It's like if they started advertising for Buddhism in the PennySaver or Islam on banana stickers... It seems pushy and obnoxious, and kind of disrespectful to the belief systems themselves. I mean, either people are going to convert or they're not; nobody's going to have a sudden religious conversion or crisis of faith just because a billboard told them to. It's not about converting people. The atheist billboards are meant to reach out to fellow atheists, since it's a minority, and atheists are often looked down upon. I don't have anything against these for example. And I can't believe some christians actually find them "offensive". Okay, yeah, it's a bit different if it's an advertisement meant for those already in the belief system. I guess I wasn't really paying attention; I thought the billboards were referring to conversion to Atheism.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:06 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.No, I believe in God because of my revelation and my mom's and the fact that so many others have a similar revelation, and also because of some of the things I read which view the world through a religious scope and make it make more sense. I'm also a Christian because without God, I wouldn't have a reason not to kill myself. You're off. There's plenty of religions who root farther back then that, like Judiasm technically began with Abraham far before the Romans were even around. And yes, religion being very popular is one sign there's some deity out there. That's a very simple argument. >< Bible verse please? It's could be out of context.
I just came across it when flipping around in the book after receiving a school reward.
Although, that will just make it null-and-void.
Still, my point stands on spreading religions. Telling people about a belief and telling them it is the one and only belief is different.
Also, the argument that there are plenty of religions so a deity must exist is not true. .___.
More does not mean anything.
It just means there are a large selection of religions to pick from.
Now if you have to believe in a religion to keep yourself from being suicidal, then maybe that helps your case in needing a religion.
I can understand that. But maybe if you understood that you don't need God to be not suicidal, then maybe the world wouldn't seem as evil.
Think about that for a bit.
Yes, there was Juedaism before the Romans. However, the romans were known for contemplating forming today's popular religion.Look it up on Google, or buy a Bible. You can get one for a $1. And anyway Semi had the point on the Great Commison so the point is null, like you said. No it means either a great deal of the population is suffering from a mass delusion, or there's something out there. I hate my life. The only reason I haven't killed myself is because I couldn't stand to die and have the Lord be disappointed in me. Even if I didn't hate my life, the thought that all that's been done, all the pain, all the beauty, everything that's ever been and ever will be will not be remembered, will essentially be worthless...it drives me nuts. I can't live with that. That still isn't the root, or a reason for us to have morals. wink Don't be so nihilistic, just because something won't be remembered in 20,000 years doesn't mean it won't ever have any value. Live your life for the moment and for yourself not for those who don't even exist yet.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:17 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo See, there was a little belief I had of religional acceptance.
Pretty much, I believe kids should have the right to choose what they believe in instead of having a single belief pushed into their lives.
This could go from any belief, even Atheism.
I mean, not everyone believes in the same thing. We might as well should give kids a chance.
Besides, I thought it was bad for religious folk to proselytize? Why? If their gonna help those kids, and especially if their doing it because they felt Jesus wanted them to, then why would they bother with other beliefs? I don't think it's bad. I think Christianity's the on true religion and should be spread. Besides, if God doesn't exist, who gets to decide if it's 'bad'?
I suggest, however, to not assume that Atheists can't have morals of good and bad.
Secondly, I told you that many people have different religions and all of them say their religion is correct. In my opinion, their opinion is equal to yours. Therefor, those kids should have a chance at believing in what they want to and not have someone else tell them what is correct. Mostly because there is the possibility of it being wrong.
I mean, you could talk about your religion and what it wants but that doesn't change how another religion and it's follower could tell me something similar. I know atheists can, I just happen to think that's proof God exists. For that argument you could apply the majority argument because of the weight of the amount of people who believe something. Christianity happens to have the most followers. Sure, but there's a good possibility of it being right too, and it is, then those kids coming to know Christ is the best thing that could happen to them. Quote: Not to mention I remember Jesus said that he wanted people to join his religion, not have others get people to join. * Forcing if you will, although that seems too strong. * What do you mean?
Well, I might explain morals in a scientific way if you really can't comprehend why the anti-religious can't have morals without a deity.
Although, this will be quick to go.
Religion was created, from what I recall, by the Romans when they started contemplating on where we came from.
They used the idea of a clock to spread the idea of religion.
The idea went that a clock must have a maker, so they believed that humans needed a maker. Even though the idea is slightly flawed.
Now for Christianity being popular, Roman Catholic was spread in the past by crusaders and spread the religion across the lands which started the wide spread of the religion.
So then it became pretty popular in late Europe where, of course, Europeans could travel to America and spread their religion.
Infact, that was also one of the reasons they went to America was because of spreading religious beliefs.
Might be how America is mostly a Christian nation.
Now for the Jesus comment I made, the Bible stated somewhere in page 570? Something near 550-600 or something like that.
Anyway, Jesus stated somewhere along the lines of
" I want my children to find the way of God, not have others show them the way. "
Which was pretty much like saying to not proselytize.actually, the Greeks had it before then. and one could even argue the Celtic people. also, the Mayans. and other ancient native American religions are MUCH older then the Romans religion.
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