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 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:05 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Julri
Also, I dislike how the story suggests that it's the boy's faith in Jesus that stopped the chalk. What if the boy had been, say, Hindu? The boy still believes in a god, he just doesn't believe in Yahweh. Sorry, I just hate when people equate belief in God specifically with Christianity.
Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logic
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:21 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Julri
Also, I dislike how the story suggests that it's the boy's faith in Jesus that stopped the chalk. What if the boy had been, say, Hindu? The boy still believes in a god, he just doesn't believe in Yahweh. Sorry, I just hate when people equate belief in God specifically with Christianity.
Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:39 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Julri
Also, I dislike how the story suggests that it's the boy's faith in Jesus that stopped the chalk. What if the boy had been, say, Hindu? The boy still believes in a god, he just doesn't believe in Yahweh. Sorry, I just hate when people equate belief in God specifically with Christianity.
Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too.
Well, people also claim to have seen Bigfoot or to have been possessed by demons. Every religion has cases of this, but when it boils down to it, unless it actually happens to me I can't bring myself to regard it as anything higher than wishful thinking.
To say that your god does or influences anything is to already assume that He exists. If He doesn't exist, none of that is valid.
Well, yeah, that's basically what I think. I think that a lot of things that people do in desperate attempts to be remembered after death is because of some glitch in our system that makes it hard for us to grasp the idea of our own mortality. Like, think of how people plan out their own funerals. What a silly concept. It's not like you're going to be there. XD
I think if you really want answers to those questions, you should take a soc/psych class. But I don't think that you do want answers.
What's the difference between faith and following blindly?
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:52 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Julri
Also, I dislike how the story suggests that it's the boy's faith in Jesus that stopped the chalk. What if the boy had been, say, Hindu? The boy still believes in a god, he just doesn't believe in Yahweh. Sorry, I just hate when people equate belief in God specifically with Christianity.
Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too. Define logical. The human race being kicked out of a magical garden for being tricked into eating a special fruit by a jealous snake with legs being the cause of our problems in life doesn't seem like it's using too much logic- or reason, even. At the very least, the hindu ideas flow and weave quite beautifully.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:08 am
Personally Blue, your God and your Bible make a lot less sense to me then the hindu religion and it's Gods. And you're bringing up one of my biggest issues with Christianity. You know that your God exists. I know that my Gods exist. However, your belief in your God also requires that you denie the existance of mine. My belief comes with no such stipulations. I am willing to accept the existance of your God (though not the "truth" of the Bible). You are not willing to accept the existance of mine.
As to that story. I thought it sounded like rubish. If such a terrible professor actually existed, I wouldn't have just listened complacently to his bullying any more then I would the christian student's proselytizing.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:03 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Oh? And even assuming that that is true, please prove to me that that religion is not Hinduism... Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too.
Well, people also claim to have seen Bigfoot or to have been possessed by demons. Every religion has cases of this, but when it boils down to it, unless it actually happens to me I can't bring myself to regard it as anything higher than wishful thinking.
To say that your god does or influences anything is to already assume that He exists. If He doesn't exist, none of that is valid.
Well, yeah, that's basically what I think. I think that a lot of things that people do in desperate attempts to be remembered after death is because of some glitch in our system that makes it hard for us to grasp the idea of our own mortality. Like, think of how people plan out their own funerals. What a silly concept. It's not like you're going to be there. XD
I think if you really want answers to those questions, you should take a soc/psych class. But I don't think that you do want answers.
What's the difference between faith and following blindly?Well Christianity's also came from an entirely different culture, and it's bringing in tons of members from all sorts of different cultures. Why do you think that is? 'Wishful thinking' has brought people back from the edge of despair...that's nice to know. I'm only here because of 'wishful thinking', and there's plenty of people who risk their lives over 'wishful thinking'...excuse me if I think that's (insert word that denotes 'stupid' but is not insulting). Well there's the 'if'. I'm gonna stay on the side of it that knows He does, because I lose nothing by assuming God exists. That 'glitch' is the part of us that remembers we should've had forever. We were made for eternity. I took psychology last semester, but I had to skip sociology in favor of watercoloring. But really, I would like to know. I do want answers, even if I think I already have the truth. Well for one thing if I 'followed blindly', I'd want to be one of those Christians who thought homosexuality was fine. It'd help me fit in. 'Following blindly' is not questioning and being trapped in a belief without caring about whether it's true or not. Having faith means trusting a God you've seen evidence for, for things you don't understand yet. It's the difference being able to question, and being too scared to.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:08 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Oh? And even assuming that that is true, please prove to me that that religion is not Hinduism... Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too. Define logical. The human race being kicked out of a magical garden for being tricked into eating a special fruit by a jealous snake with legs being the cause of our problems in life doesn't seem like it's using too much logic- or reason, even. At the very least, the hindu ideas flow and weave quite beautifully. It doesn't seem illogical to me. And logic is too liquid to easily define, but there's still things that seem more or less logical then others. They do? Can I have some examples, or an article please? I know some of the basics of Hinduism, but that was from 10th grade so freshening up on it would be nice. ^^
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:17 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup Oh? And even assuming that that is true, please prove to me that that religion is not Hinduism... Besides the obvious (whited out because it could be considered offensive->) like it seems more like a drug trip then anything else (I did warn you)? If it is Hinduism, why don't the Hindu gods show themselves to nonbelievers? What keeps reincarnation going? How is it numerically possible? How is it possible at all? And multi armed gods? I have nothing against the Hindus, but nothing I've seen in that religion seems very plausible. There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it. And the number one reason: in Christianity faith is a huge thing. In Christianity, faith is eternal and powerful. How many other religions rely that strongly upon faith? Does Hinduism?
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logicI don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too. Define logical. The human race being kicked out of a magical garden for being tricked into eating a special fruit by a jealous snake with legs being the cause of our problems in life doesn't seem like it's using too much logic- or reason, even. At the very least, the hindu ideas flow and weave quite beautifully. It doesn't seem illogical to me. And logic is too liquid to easily define, but there's still things that seem more or less logical then others. They do? Can I have some examples, or an article please? I know some of the basics of Hinduism, but that was from 10th grade so freshening up on it would be nice. ^^ Blue No offence here but Your logic makes sense to you because it's yours. I believe in a multitude of Gods and Goddesses and not in Your YHWH i think thats right... But my logic makes sense to me and people who are of the same religion as me while you have the same situation. You trying to disprove Hinduism isnt going to happen because if YHWH wanted more followers don't you think he could do it himself? And as for the Chalk thing IT HIT STUFF FALLING OF COURSE IT AINT GONNA BREAK!! But Blue Your perspective is from your culture while Divine's is from hers/his so you two arguing about it aint gonna solve anything. Try and see it from his/her perspective before you criticize it, and don't go around saying your religion is right because you think it is. No one will no what religion is right until the day they die and even then there might not be a heaven or "hell" or any sort of afterlife at that. Oh and the reason you aint read anything from Hindu accounts is CAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN A HINDU DOMINATED PART OF THE WORLD LIKE THEY DO!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:19 pm
gorramKayna Personally Blue, your God and your Bible make a lot less sense to me then the hindu religion and it's Gods. And you're bringing up one of my biggest issues with Christianity. You know that your God exists. I know that my Gods exist. However, your belief in your God also requires that you denie the existance of mine. My belief comes with no such stipulations. I am willing to accept the existance of your God (though not the "truth" of the Bible). You are not willing to accept the existance of mine. As to that story. I thought it sounded like rubish. If such a terrible professor actually existed, I wouldn't have just listened complacently to his bullying any more then I would the christian student's proselytizing. True. But why would it make sense for multiple gods to exist? If there is one omnipotent one, why should he tolerate lesser gods, especially if they're evil? And I try to be tolerant, but I'm never gonna say you're gods are good or equal to mine, even though I might want to. I love myths, I'd love it if god/desses like Artemis or Hephaestus were real and benevolent, but as a Christian I can't. I love my own God too much to do that to Him, and I don't think those other gods are real, or if they're real that they're not demons in disguise. Sorry, but I'm too loyal to Jesus to do that. sweatdrop And part of tolerance is tolerating a Christian's need to witness. wink
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:49 pm
Zslone2 xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup I'm willing to bet that you don't know as much about Hinduism as you think you do... But that aside, imagine how ridiculous your religion must seem to Hindus who know as little about your religion as you do theirs. It makes little sense to me, and I was raised with it.
Why does YHWH not show Himself to non-believers? I have never heard Him, even when I was desperately looking for reasons to believe.
How is reincarnation less believable than the idea that, based on our devotion to a god that may or may not exist, we go to eternal paradise or eternal suffering? Really? And as I understand it there is no death in Heaven or Hell, but people are constantly being added. How is that numerically possible?
And really? The multiple arms is the thing that stumped you?
In any case, in my eyes, relying so heavily on faith is a bad thing. It means that there is absolutely no reason to believe. It is the enemy of logic I don't much about it I haven't read a book about a Hindu yet), but what I do know doesn't sound very logical. Anything about the religion that seems true to you, go ahead and bring it up. I'd love to know why it might work. He does. Read JesusFreaks, or any of the numerous conversion stories where people randomly become Christian because of a revelation. It happened to my mom. Because it's based on a single factor whom has revealed Himself throughout the ages, and who is the driving force behind the whole thing. How is it possible that Jupiter has a tornado three times the size of Earth? xd And the elephant head. I don't get that either. XD It's not. It's a powerful motivator, it gives hope, and usually there are reasons to believe. My mom believes because of the visions she's had, and because she's felt His Presence. I believe because I trust my mom more then the world, and I've met Him too, and He's unbelievably awesome. Plus I don't want to live in a world without Him. I don't see purpose to that. You want logic? What's the logic behind striving for happiness when it all will all disappear? Or the logic behind pursuing success when it's doomed to crumble? Without God, all we're doing is building sandcastles. But that's beside the point. Don't put faith down as being 'no reason to believe'. That's following blindly, and it's not what the Christians I've met do. Christians do puzzle things out, they do question things, they do use logic (read Mere Christianity if you don't believe me on that one); they just know how to trust God too. Define logical. The human race being kicked out of a magical garden for being tricked into eating a special fruit by a jealous snake with legs being the cause of our problems in life doesn't seem like it's using too much logic- or reason, even. At the very least, the hindu ideas flow and weave quite beautifully. It doesn't seem illogical to me. And logic is too liquid to easily define, but there's still things that seem more or less logical then others. They do? Can I have some examples, or an article please? I know some of the basics of Hinduism, but that was from 10th grade so freshening up on it would be nice. ^^ Blue No offence here but Your logic makes sense to you because it's yours. I believe in a multitude of Gods and Goddesses and not in Your YHWH i think thats right... But my logic makes sense to me and people who are of the same religion as me while you have the same situation. You trying to disprove Hinduism isnt going to happen because if YHWH wanted more followers don't you think he could do it himself? And as for the Chalk thing IT HIT STUFF FALLING OF COURSE IT AINT GONNA BREAK!! But Blue Your perspective is from your culture while Divine's is from hers/his so you two arguing about it aint gonna solve anything. Try and see it from his/her perspective before you criticize it, and don't go around saying your religion is right because you think it is. No one will no what religion is right until the day they die and even then there might not be a heaven or "hell" or any sort of afterlife at that. Oh and the reason you aint read anything from Hindu accounts is CAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE IN A HINDU DOMINATED PART OF THE WORLD LIKE THEY DO!! Stop yelling at me. Really, just stop. This goes for everyone. If I want to say I see no logic in Hinduism, I can. If someone wants to give me some more information about Hinduism, I'll read it, and I won't argue about any part of it that does seem to make sense. But you can't just keep telling me that Hinduism makes sense, or that any other religion makes sense without giving me reasons why. I can't do anything with that. I don't want to fight or put anyone down, I just want some answers, and to post what I think. I add 'in my opinion' all the time, but why should I have to do that? You know it's my opinion. You can think I'm wrong. You could also tell me why. But I'd really prefer not to get yelled at for thinking my logic is the right logic (why would I use it if I didn't think it's right?) or for believing what I do, even if it's that other religions are false. Tolerance doesn't mean accepting that anyone might be right; it's not persecuting others for holding a belief. And I do try to look at it from others perspective, but that doesn't mean I'll think that perspective is right. Also, in a religiously tolerant country like America we should have Hindu accounts of gods revealing themselves to them, if they exist. I think we don't have them because they don't.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:52 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Also, in a religiously tolerant country like America we should have Hindu accounts of gods revealing themselves to them, if they exist. I think we don't have them because they don't. There's 0.4% of Hindus living in the US. You better try and look for revelations in India, where there are actually Hindus walking about. And Hinduism isn't a simple as you think. It isn't just worshipping gods with many arms and elephant heads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:15 pm
Artto xxEternallyBluexx Also, in a religiously tolerant country like America we should have Hindu accounts of gods revealing themselves to them, if they exist. I think we don't have them because they don't. There's 0.4% of Hindus living in the US. You better try and look for revelations in India, where there are actually Hindus walking about. And Hinduism isn't a simple as you think. It isn't just worshipping gods with many arms and elephant heads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism I'll look for them if I ever get to go to India. I think it'll be quite a while before that's a possibility though, I'd love to know if there's any accounts on revelations around for any religion besides Christianity and Judaism. I don't think it's simple, just that it doesn't have a lot of truth or logic behind it. Thank you! 
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:46 pm
I know a great many pagans who have had direct interaction with thier Gods. Many of us have seen our Gods. We know them and they know us. Man people who practice a variety of religions have had experiences like this. We just fell no need to share them unless asked. It's our own experience with our own deities, and many people don't want to hear about it.
And, not to be rude, but I don't think Christianity has much truth or logic to it. That doesn't make it less valid as a belief for you and all the other Christians in the world.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx True. But why would it make sense for multiple gods to exist? Because there's a distinction between God and gods. To me God is the only one worthy of worship because God is the only one that was willing to show himself to me. Other gods they may exist but I haven't interacted with them and haven't proven themselves worthy of worship to me. At this point in my life, even if another god revealed themselves to me I couldn't betray my God. Quote: If there is one omnipotent one, why should he tolerate lesser gods, especially if they're evil? Why does God tolerate Satan? God's goodness is based in love. If people wish to be away from him and with another, why should God force one to love him or be with him? Quote: And I try to be tolerant, but I'm never gonna say you're gods are good or equal to mine, even though I might want to. Same here but what do you mean by "good"? To me, God's goodness is agape and that is how God is revealed. Other than the Prime Mover in what little of Vedic religions I am familiar with, I don't know of any other God that fits the bill. Quote: I love myths, I'd love it if god/desses like Artemis or Hephaestus were real and benevolent, but as a Christian I can't. Doesn't mean you can't believe in them, just that you are not to worship them. Paul talks about not serving false gods quite frequently yet doesn't deny that they exist. Quote: I love my own God too much to do that to Him, and I don't think those other gods are real, or if they're real that they're not demons in disguise. They have to many human qualities for me to call them demons, but still not worthy of worship to me. Quote: Sorry, but I'm too loyal to Jesus to do that. sweatdrop It's good to be loyal though your reasons for discounting the possibility of other gods even existing seem to be limited to they can't be real. Quote: And part of tolerance is tolerating a Christian's need to witness. wink Very true but there is also less confrontational and more loving ways of witnessing that many people tend to be ignorant of.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:57 pm
CalledTheRaven And, not to be rude, but I don't think Christianity has much truth or logic to it. That doesn't make it less valid as a belief for you and all the other Christians in the world. Where is the source of confusion in Christianity if you don't mind me asking?
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