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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:46 am
My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:56 am
lotusvoid My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest. AND AS I KEEP SAYING, DARWINISM DOES NOT NECESSARILY EXCLUDE CHRISTIANITY!
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:52 am
MegaTherion777 lotusvoid My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest. AND AS I KEEP SAYING, DARWINISM DOES NOT NECESSARILY EXCLUDE CHRISTIANITY! Then why do so many other people who believe in Darwinism would say otherwise? Although I do not believe in evolution I do not see that as a way of disproving the existence of God. As for both being taught I believe that intelligent design should be taught perhaps in a religion class of some sort. Since many are in disdain for it being taught in a science class.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:54 am
Battousai Akuma MegaTherion777 lotusvoid My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest. AND AS I KEEP SAYING, DARWINISM DOES NOT NECESSARILY EXCLUDE CHRISTIANITY! Then why do so many other people who believe in Darwinism would say otherwise? Although I do not believe in evolution I do not see that as a way of disproving the existence of God. As for both being taught I believe that intelligent design should be taught perhaps in a religion class of some sort. Since many are in disdain for it being taught in a science class. i don't know why so many people seem to think religion and evolution are incompatible - i can never get an answer from anyone i ask. but if god was all powerful like the christians say he is, then it's damn sure possible that he could have created the earth and planned for micro- and macro-evolution to occur.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:23 pm
Battousai Akuma Then why do so many other people who believe in Darwinism would say otherwise? Although I do not believe in evolution I do not see that as a way of disproving the existence of God. As for both being taught I believe that intelligent design should be taught perhaps in a religion class of some sort. Since many are in disdain for it being taught in a science class. But there's disdain for evolution being taught in class as well.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:27 pm
Gravechylde Battousai Akuma Then why do so many other people who believe in Darwinism would say otherwise? Although I do not believe in evolution I do not see that as a way of disproving the existence of God. As for both being taught I believe that intelligent design should be taught perhaps in a religion class of some sort. Since many are in disdain for it being taught in a science class. But there's disdain for evolution being taught in class as well. Really? Oh well I guess from some Christian backgrounds perhaps.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:26 pm
lotusvoid My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest. Can you say red herring? His theory is not scientifically accurate either way the dice roles. His personal faith has zero significance on whether or not his theory should be taken as FACT or what it really is, a simple theory.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:13 pm
My Hollow lotusvoid My Hollow Gravechylde I don't see a problem with teaching both, can't hurt. Some will look to one, others will look to the other. Personal opinion on the subject: Creation: If god created just Adam and Eve and we are descendants of them, then where did the different races come from? (I haven't read genesis, so maybe it is explained in there, but I haven't heard it) Yes, we all came from them but because of what happened in Genesis 11:1-9 ie, The Tower of Babel, we became isolated. Basically what happens is that men of the earth all came together to make a city, and in that city they decided to create a tower or ziggurate, to God. They wanted to make a name for themselves by doing so, So God came down and confused their language so that they could not communicate and they scattered amoungst the earth. That's where Trevor's argument comes in, after they scattered that is. interestingly hollow, Darwin was a very devout christian at first, and that is what fueled his passion for biology, to understand what god had given earth, but he became generally agnostic after the death of his daughter. He was never an athiest. Can you say red herring? His theory is not scientifically accurate either way the dice roles. His personal faith has zero significance on whether or not his theory should be taken as FACT or what it really is, a simple theory. I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true)
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:27 pm
lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:48 pm
Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:41 pm
lotusvoid Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses. Then what are some of the basics?
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:46 pm
lotusvoid Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses. My mom almost became a marine Biologist and she has actively worked in apologetics organizations for more than a decade. They study all of the theories actively. The household I grew up in, knows these things.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:56 pm
My Hollow lotusvoid Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses. My mom almost became a marine Biologist and she has actively worked in apologetics organizations for more than a decade. They study all of the theories actively. The household I grew up in, knows these things. lo-lo, ad hominem attacks are not necessary. don't just assume you're more knowledgeable, and even if you are, don't say stupid things like you're arguments would be meaningless to us. even if we haven't studied it as much as you, we are all pretty intelligent and will most likely understand your arguments. and even if we don't you shouldn't be condescending and assume that we won't understand it. furthermore, hollow has stated before that her mother knows this stuff, so you should have given at least her the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to understand or talk with someone who understands your argument.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:00 am
MegaTherion777 My Hollow lotusvoid Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses. My mom almost became a marine Biologist and she has actively worked in apologetics organizations for more than a decade. They study all of the theories actively. The household I grew up in, knows these things. lo-lo, ad hominem attacks are not necessary. don't just assume you're more knowledgeable, and even if you are, don't say stupid things like you're arguments would be meaningless to us. even if we haven't studied it as much as you, we are all pretty intelligent and will most likely understand your arguments. and even if we don't you shouldn't be condescending and assume that we won't understand it. furthermore, hollow has stated before that her mother knows this stuff, so you should have given at least her the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to understand or talk with someone who understands your argument. Thanks, Mike. I didn't want to start anything out of it, I was just saying I know more than she's giving me credit for due to my up-bringing.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:02 am
My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow lotusvoid Gravechylde lotusvoid I was merely pointing out some little titbit of useless information you might have found interesting. I was not by any means presenting that as argument of the validity of Darwinism. I do not feel the need to prove it. The entire science of biology is founded upon Darwinism. I also have a more comprehensive understanding of that entire field of science than probably any of you do, so my arguments would mean nothing to you anyway. ( I am not being an egoist, its true) What kind of degree do you have? lol. I do not of course, but as a means to the end of an ontology focus, many many bio.s were necessary to even comprehend the chaos theory and ontology focuses. My mom almost became a marine Biologist and she has actively worked in apologetics organizations for more than a decade. They study all of the theories actively. The household I grew up in, knows these things. lo-lo, ad hominem attacks are not necessary. don't just assume you're more knowledgeable, and even if you are, don't say stupid things like you're arguments would be meaningless to us. even if we haven't studied it as much as you, we are all pretty intelligent and will most likely understand your arguments. and even if we don't you shouldn't be condescending and assume that we won't understand it. furthermore, hollow has stated before that her mother knows this stuff, so you should have given at least her the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being able to understand or talk with someone who understands your argument. Thanks, Mike. I didn't want to start anything out of it, I was just saying I know more than she's giving me credit for due to my up-bringing. yeah, i've been pondering how to word that tactfully since i saw it earlier this afternoon. i may be skeptical of both science and religion, but that doesnt mean i dont have a good understanding of them both
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