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 Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:08 pm
ChibiLi Basically, from when the embryo starts to form, it's growing right? By definition, doesn't anything that grows by itself a LIVING thing?
The fact that it doesn't have a face, brain, and lungs doesn't mean it isn't human yet. That's just being ******** up and shallow too.
So abortion, in a very strange and unique way, is murder. yes it would be considered to be alive but alive like the mold on your month old toast not like you and me
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:17 pm
i am impressed by the birllinat minds here and i am almost convinced by the reasoning of each one! very convincing.
but the question that lingers in me for quite sometime now is that...who is to say who is right or wrong with any of our perceived principles...who is to say who is right or wrong when each one of us believe dearly in our own principles based on how we survive and learn each day of our lives?
who is to say that abortion is a murder or not?
and who is today that even this discussion is worth debating about.
touche my friends.
to each his own.
but...dont mind my opinion on this....
in truth...i am just saying all of this so i could say something....
sorry!
peace to all!!!
love and kisses! 4laugh 4laugh 4laugh 4laugh 4laugh heart heart heart heart heart heart
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:20 pm
lordstar Don't be silly If you don't like how the government works change it! try. and there are options other than abortion- an adoption program, for one. and if your still in school and get embaressed because you are visibly pregnant, wah! face the concequenses for what you did.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:49 pm
jms_13_13 lordstar Don't be silly If you don't like how the government works change it! try. and there are options other than abortion- an adoption program, for one. and if your still in school and get embaressed because you are visibly pregnant, wah! face the concequenses for what you did. No child should EVER be a punishment. Quote: Not every person is willing to actually call a baby a parasite. It depends on what the person thinks of the baby. Personally, I wouldn't want to call it a parasite because it would be a worthy sacrifice for a mother. If a pregnant woman wants to get an abortion, it's pretty reasonable to assume she doesn't consider a fetus to be something worthy of sacrificing her body for. At it's most basic definition, a parasite is something that lives inside the host without permission, taking nutrients and giving back nothing in return. An unwanted fetus fits this definition perfectly, whatever you "want" to call it. Quote: How about the commandment, "Thou shall not kill?" Abortion is still killing because technically, it is taking away a life, or at least a potential for a life, no matter how you justify it. So is eating meat, brushing your teeth, and using contraception/masturbating. Quote: Secondly, human life to God is precious. "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Everyday was recorded in your book!" (Psalm 139:16) Of course, God, seeing everything, would know beforehand that a mother was getting an abortion and would not bother "writing everything down". Quote: A fetus is something that comes from God, and thus, if it is killed, then I doubt God would be very happy about it. Plagues come from God. Hitler came from God. Really, just because something ultimately came from God does not make it wonderful.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:53 am
Even though a fetus is scientifically a "parasite", we all know what it becomes. A fetus becomes a baby, a baby becomes a child, etc. We all know the process as we've all been through it. Abortion is wrong because you know that if you do not kill the fetus it will be a person with a soul (assuming you don't have a miscarriage). Knowing that and killing the fetus anyways makes it wrong in my opinion.
Of course, we could also argue that ejaculate is killing and such too, because those could possibly have been thousands of lives, etc. But, I won't get that far into it because I don't think it's necessary and it's just... who cares? xd And I would be shooting my own self in the foot because I take birth control, and I have pre-marital sex.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:07 pm
Von Kyon Even though a fetus is scientifically a "parasite", we all know what it becomes. A fetus becomes a baby, a baby becomes a child, etc. We all know the process as we've all been through it. Abortion is wrong because you know that if you do not kill the fetus it will be a person with a soul (assuming you don't have a miscarriage). Knowing that and killing the fetus anyways makes it wrong in my opinion. Of course, we could also argue that ejaculate is killing and such too, because those could possibly have been thousands of lives, etc. But, I won't get that far into it because I don't think it's necessary and it's just... who cares? xd And I would be shooting my own self in the foot because I take birth control, and I have pre-marital sex. You just shot down your own argument. Who are you to say WHERE exactly we draw the line on potential? Who's the government to say that?
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:06 am
Mein Kulturkampf Von Kyon Even though a fetus is scientifically a "parasite", we all know what it becomes. A fetus becomes a baby, a baby becomes a child, etc. We all know the process as we've all been through it. Abortion is wrong because you know that if you do not kill the fetus it will be a person with a soul (assuming you don't have a miscarriage). Knowing that and killing the fetus anyways makes it wrong in my opinion. Of course, we could also argue that ejaculate is killing and such too, because those could possibly have been thousands of lives, etc. But, I won't get that far into it because I don't think it's necessary and it's just... who cares? xd And I would be shooting my own self in the foot because I take birth control, and I have pre-marital sex. You just shot down your own argument. Who are you to say WHERE exactly we draw the line on potential? Who's the government to say that?
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What about the government? I said nothing about the government in my paragraph. At all.
I did not say that we had to draw any line anywhere, I just said what we all know is true. If a woman becomes pregnant, the baby will grow into a person, assuming that her fetus does not die beforehand. I'm obviously not saying we should ban premarital sex or contraception, nor am I saying abortion should be illegal. Man's law is bullshit. I was just stating my own opinion on abortion, not saying that everyone else had to agree with it.
So, stop trying to prove my "argument" wrong, even though it's not an argument, but an opinion. Which I think we're all entitled to have.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:18 am
Von Kyon Mein Kulturkampf Von Kyon Even though a fetus is scientifically a "parasite", we all know what it becomes. A fetus becomes a baby, a baby becomes a child, etc. We all know the process as we've all been through it. Abortion is wrong because you know that if you do not kill the fetus it will be a person with a soul (assuming you don't have a miscarriage). Knowing that and killing the fetus anyways makes it wrong in my opinion. Of course, we could also argue that ejaculate is killing and such too, because those could possibly have been thousands of lives, etc. But, I won't get that far into it because I don't think it's necessary and it's just... who cares? xd And I would be shooting my own self in the foot because I take birth control, and I have pre-marital sex. You just shot down your own argument. Who are you to say WHERE exactly we draw the line on potential? Who's the government to say that?
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What about the government? I said nothing about the government in my paragraph. At all.
I did not say that we had to draw any line anywhere, I just said what we all know is true. If a woman becomes pregnant, the baby will grow into a person, assuming that her fetus does not die beforehand. I'm obviously not saying we should ban premarital sex or contraception, nor am I saying abortion should be illegal. Man's law is bullshit. I was just stating my own opinion on abortion, not saying that everyone else had to agree with it.
So, stop trying to prove my "argument" wrong, even though it's not an argument, but an opinion. Which I think we're all entitled to have.
<3
Forgive me, drama in my personal life is making me more liable to lash out. I'm curious; if you believe abortion is murder, why don't you think it should be illegal?
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:31 am
Yeah, I believe abortion is murder.
The Bible says that life starts at conception, and I don't see why that's such a bad idea. I wouldn't want to take the chance that it is or isn't a baby anyway.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:06 pm
Mein Kulturkampf Von Kyon Mein Kulturkampf Von Kyon Even though a fetus is scientifically a "parasite", we all know what it becomes. A fetus becomes a baby, a baby becomes a child, etc. We all know the process as we've all been through it. Abortion is wrong because you know that if you do not kill the fetus it will be a person with a soul (assuming you don't have a miscarriage). Knowing that and killing the fetus anyways makes it wrong in my opinion. Of course, we could also argue that ejaculate is killing and such too, because those could possibly have been thousands of lives, etc. But, I won't get that far into it because I don't think it's necessary and it's just... who cares? xd And I would be shooting my own self in the foot because I take birth control, and I have pre-marital sex. You just shot down your own argument. Who are you to say WHERE exactly we draw the line on potential? Who's the government to say that?
<3
What about the government? I said nothing about the government in my paragraph. At all.
I did not say that we had to draw any line anywhere, I just said what we all know is true. If a woman becomes pregnant, the baby will grow into a person, assuming that her fetus does not die beforehand. I'm obviously not saying we should ban premarital sex or contraception, nor am I saying abortion should be illegal. Man's law is bullshit. I was just stating my own opinion on abortion, not saying that everyone else had to agree with it.
So, stop trying to prove my "argument" wrong, even though it's not an argument, but an opinion. Which I think we're all entitled to have.
<3
Forgive me, drama in my personal life is making me more liable to lash out. I'm curious; if you believe abortion is murder, why don't you think it should be illegal?
<3
Well I think it should be illegal for people who are pregnant because of irresponsibility. I do think it's better, but not okay, to have an abortion for a reason such as rape or if the mother has a disease or whatever.
I think that making abortion illegal for those using it as birth control would make people less likely to have sex irresponsibly.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:21 pm
Abortion isn't murder and isn't even close to it. I'm sorry but last I checked you are technically considered alive when you come out into this world via the birth canal not when your parents ********. A human can think differently, move voluntarily, and has some sort of higher level of thinking.
A fetus cannot think, cannot move voluntarily, and doesn't have any cognitive abilites. Think I'm wrong, lemme ask you this? Can a fetus explain Einstein's theory of relativity? Can a fetus explain Piaget's theories of a human's growth cycle? Can a fetus explain Freud's theories of personality and growth? Does a fetus know right from wrong? I know it would be great to have smart intelligent babies walking and talking right when they come out but its not possible.
Another thing I've been hearing. Will the fetus become the next president? Possibly considering that our president's an idiot, sure its possible but you have to take the good with the bad. The fetus could possibly be the next gangbanger, could be the next crackbaby, the next Al Capone, the next John Dillanger, the next Jeffery Dalmer, the next John Wayne Gacy. Do you understand what this could mean?
Abortion is already settled law. You know why? Because it gave women the right to do whatever they want with their body. It gave us rights. And if you make it illegal then you're basically saying that women shouldn't have any rights and that we should be treated as second class citizens. To me anyways.
And kids are still going to have sex you know why? Because abstinence doesn't help its making it worst. We need to teach kids to use condoms and birth control.
(I am a feminist but more of the 1970's definition the ones who fought for women to be free. Who fought for abortion.)
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:25 pm
-xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Abortion isn't murder and isn't even close to it. I'm sorry but last I checked you are technically considered alive when you come out into this world via the birth canal not when your parents ********. A human can think differently, move voluntarily, and has some sort of higher level of thinking. A fetus cannot think, cannot move voluntarily, and doesn't have any cognitive abilites. Think I'm wrong, lemme ask you this? Can a fetus explain Einstein's theory of relativity? Can a fetus explain Piaget's theories of a human's growth cycle? Can a fetus explain Freud's theories of personality and growth? Does a fetus know right from wrong? I know it would be great to have smart intelligent babies walking and talking right when they come out but its not possible. Another thing I've been hearing. Will the fetus become the next president? Possibly considering that our president's an idiot, sure its possible but you have to take the good with the bad. The fetus could possibly be the next gangbanger, could be the next crackbaby, the next Al Capone, the next John Dillanger, the next Jeffery Dalmer, the next John Wayne Gacy. Do you understand what this could mean? Abortion is already settled law. You know why? Because it gave women the right to do whatever they want with their body. It gave us rights. And if you make it illegal then you're basically saying that women shouldn't have any rights and that we should be treated as second class citizens. To me anyways. And kids are still going to have sex you know why? Because abstinence doesn't help its making it worst. We need to teach kids to use condoms and birth control. (I am a feminist but more of the 1970's definition the ones who fought for women to be free. Who fought for abortion.) Have you ever been pregnant? xd Ever seen an ultrasound on a 6 week old fetus? Didn't think so. A fetus will become a human given that it doesn't die first, thus making it entirely possible for that fetus to become president. Oh, and half of the world, if not more, can't explain a single one of those theories. I'm not saying abortion should be illegal, but if that's your argument to keep it legal, you're doing very poorly.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:54 pm
Murder has nothing to do with law. Murder inflicting fatal injures, to living object that have a soul. Only God truly knows when humans acquire a soul, however, it only makes sense that it is at the moment of conception.
I believe that abortion is murder, rather you willed it or not (rape). God intended for that baby to have a life, and yes, bad things happen, and God allowed it to happen, who are you to alter something such as life and death when God had wanted that baby to be born. It is still a soul.
I have been to Washington D.C. twice to protest abortion. It was hard, frigid temps, be stuck on a bus for 18 hours at a time, twice, and being stuff with catholics for four day. In the end, it was worth it though, knowing that I could help save a life.
Abortions are cruel and unusual punishment, which the constitution forbids. They have a heart beat, they have a life, congress takes those lives, just to convenience a prego girl.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:59 pm
Von Kyon -xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Abortion isn't murder and isn't even close to it. I'm sorry but last I checked you are technically considered alive when you come out into this world via the birth canal not when your parents ********. A human can think differently, move voluntarily, and has some sort of higher level of thinking. A fetus cannot think, cannot move voluntarily, and doesn't have any cognitive abilites. Think I'm wrong, lemme ask you this? Can a fetus explain Einstein's theory of relativity? Can a fetus explain Piaget's theories of a human's growth cycle? Can a fetus explain Freud's theories of personality and growth? Does a fetus know right from wrong? I know it would be great to have smart intelligent babies walking and talking right when they come out but its not possible. Another thing I've been hearing. Will the fetus become the next president? Possibly considering that our president's an idiot, sure its possible but you have to take the good with the bad. The fetus could possibly be the next gangbanger, could be the next crackbaby, the next Al Capone, the next John Dillanger, the next Jeffery Dalmer, the next John Wayne Gacy. Do you understand what this could mean? Abortion is already settled law. You know why? Because it gave women the right to do whatever they want with their body. It gave us rights. And if you make it illegal then you're basically saying that women shouldn't have any rights and that we should be treated as second class citizens. To me anyways. And kids are still going to have sex you know why? Because abstinence doesn't help its making it worst. We need to teach kids to use condoms and birth control. (I am a feminist but more of the 1970's definition the ones who fought for women to be free. Who fought for abortion.) Have you ever been pregnant? xd Ever seen an ultrasound on a 6 week old fetus? Didn't think so. A fetus will become a human given that it doesn't die first, thus making it entirely possible for that fetus to become president. Oh, and half of the world, if not more, can't explain a single one of those theories. I'm not saying abortion should be illegal, but if that's your argument to keep it legal, you're doing very poorly. Well considering that I'm only 17, I shouldn't be pregnant nor should see an ultrasound. Remember Thou shalt not have sex till marriage so are you saying that I should become a statistic so I know how painful going through pregnacy is. Wow you're really smart and if I'm guessing right a hypocrite. And a fetus becoming a human will make it entirely possible to become another sexual predetor. Just what the world needs is more scum. ^__^v. Like I said take the good with the bad. Not everything in this world is sugar plums and gum drops. Half the world may not know it but they can learn it and can study it. A fetus cannot even do that. And how is it even breathing? It's submerged in liquids. How can you breathe pure O2 being submerged in liquid? If I dunked you in a pool and told you to try and breathe underwater. Could you? You do realize that there are people (I am/was one of them) who actually thought that abortion might be the best thing so that they wouldn't make the mistakes that they have made and that maybe it would've been better for their parents to get an abortion. Alright I don't agree with abortion if someone jumps in and has sex early. It's not mine, doctors etc fault if you're too stupid to use a condom. But I'd rather have a rape victim get an abortion. Why? Because of the pain and suffering that they have to go through. Each time they look at the child or the ultrasound what do you think goes through their mind? Not oh wow this is my child, but thoughts of what happened to her if she survived. You shouldn't make a rape victim go through that pain. If it were me I'd rather have an abortion than to go though that pain. I don't think God intended for women to be used so cruelly and I don't think he would want us to suffer like that if we were raped. If you think a rape victim should keep the child of the attacker then you are sick. Just plain sick. I know I'm going too far in saying this but maybe you should get raped and see how it feels...to not be able to get close to people, to be in that kind of pain.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:43 pm
-xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Von Kyon -xXGodslayer_RaiXx- Abortion isn't murder and isn't even close to it. I'm sorry but last I checked you are technically considered alive when you come out into this world via the birth canal not when your parents ********. A human can think differently, move voluntarily, and has some sort of higher level of thinking. A fetus cannot think, cannot move voluntarily, and doesn't have any cognitive abilites. Think I'm wrong, lemme ask you this? Can a fetus explain Einstein's theory of relativity? Can a fetus explain Piaget's theories of a human's growth cycle? Can a fetus explain Freud's theories of personality and growth? Does a fetus know right from wrong? I know it would be great to have smart intelligent babies walking and talking right when they come out but its not possible. Another thing I've been hearing. Will the fetus become the next president? Possibly considering that our president's an idiot, sure its possible but you have to take the good with the bad. The fetus could possibly be the next gangbanger, could be the next crackbaby, the next Al Capone, the next John Dillanger, the next Jeffery Dalmer, the next John Wayne Gacy. Do you understand what this could mean? Abortion is already settled law. You know why? Because it gave women the right to do whatever they want with their body. It gave us rights. And if you make it illegal then you're basically saying that women shouldn't have any rights and that we should be treated as second class citizens. To me anyways. And kids are still going to have sex you know why? Because abstinence doesn't help its making it worst. We need to teach kids to use condoms and birth control. (I am a feminist but more of the 1970's definition the ones who fought for women to be free. Who fought for abortion.) Have you ever been pregnant? xd Ever seen an ultrasound on a 6 week old fetus? Didn't think so. A fetus will become a human given that it doesn't die first, thus making it entirely possible for that fetus to become president. Oh, and half of the world, if not more, can't explain a single one of those theories. I'm not saying abortion should be illegal, but if that's your argument to keep it legal, you're doing very poorly. Well considering that I'm only 17, I shouldn't be pregnant nor should see an ultrasound. Remember Thou shalt not have sex till marriage so are you saying that I should become a statistic so I know how painful going through pregnacy is. Wow you're really smart and if I'm guessing right a hypocrite. Uh, what? First of all, I don't know how old you are, second, I never said anything about waiting until marriage because I haven't and I don't want to. I'm not saying you should be a statistic, and I'm not saying you need to be pregnant to know that fetus' can move. I've never been pregnant, and I know that. So before you start throwing out things and stating them as fact, try doing some research first. Because not doing the research beforehand makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about in regards to fetus' and pregnancy (which you obviously don't.) And yes, it's entirely possible for a fetus to become and rapist or whatever once it's a full-grown human. It could become anything. But that is based on it's surroundings and it's parents. I never said anything about it breathing, but I do know a fetus has a heart that beats while in the womb. And I DID say, which you obviously didn't read, that I was not for abortion being illegal. Stop assuming things. It makes an a** out of you, and me.
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