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The Shindig

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:39 am


@Val: -hugs back-
Oh, no, we're nowhere near being
sexually active. Heh, I just have
a huuuuge crush on the guy sweatdrop


@Sonic: I'm sorry, but I find it truly
stupid when people try to dictate
what the right or the wrong choice
for others would be. That's up to
each individual to decide.

Also, I find it rather hypocritical
when pro-lifers want to make
abortion illegal because they think
it is murder. No matter how illegal
it is, girls are going to continue
doing it. And if it is against the law,
the places that give abortions are
no going to be completely safe.
Therefore, besides the fact that
the "child" is going to "die", the
mother is in a huge risk of dying, too.

I know I'm not going to be able
to change your mind about whether
a fetus is human or not, but, no matter
how much development is going on,
{to me} it's not a human until it
is born. Then, it can actually breathe
for itself and communicate emotions.

This may sound stupid, but let's use
a metaphor of a cake. You have all
of the ingredients, but those alone
are not a cake. Even when it's in the
oven it's not a cake. No, it's not a
cake until you take it out of the oven
and it is ready to be eaten.

And just because "the child is as much
a victim of rape as the mother" does
not mean that the mother will not have
some sort of feelings of hatred for "the
child." It is a constant reminder of what
was done to her. She's not going to be
thinking "Oh, it's not my baby's fault,
why 'take it out' on him?"
Maybe that's not true for every victim
of rape, but it's certainly true for a lot.



@Breathy: I know! Whoever decided
that kids could start getting pregnant
from as early as twelve or thirteen?


@animegoddess: No offense, but
so what? If the mother chooses
not to go through with a pregnancy,
nobody is going to care whether
the "child" she "kills" is going to
"change the world." The "child" is
dead. That is tru with all
deaths, not just abortion. I seriously
doubt that just because the child's
mother decided not to have an
abortion the kid is going to change
the world. Who knows? The kid
might just grow up to be the next
Bush, or Hitler, or Idi Admin or
Chavez or any other idiot who's
hurt the world. Maybe the child
will grow up to be a rapist like it's
father. Maybe the child will grow up
to get pregnant when it is a teenager
and it will get an abortion. Who
knows? There's just as much chance
of the kid being something bad as
there is of the kid being good. So
the whole "who knows" thing is not
very likely to affect a mothers choice.



@Rexie: I agree. There are so many
other places where people can adopt
a child where it will actually make a
difference.


@Stali: You said it yourself, "the egg
will...become a child." Meaning it's not
a child yet. It's "becoming a living,
breathing thing", but it's not living or
breathing yet. The set time when you
are human is when you are born.
Read what I said to Sonic above.

I didn't mean that it's just a thing. By
saying that it's a "product of rape" I
meant that it's a "human" that resulted
from rape. Of course it's not the "child's"
fault, but it's completely up to the mother
to decide whether she want to go
through nine months of pregnancy or not.



@chaos: In your second post, the first
sentence sounds really pro-choice.


@vegan: ilu <3
sarcasm ftw.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:33 pm


I hear you calling and it's needles and pins
I want to hurt you just to hear you screaming my name


You know what? I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. But abortion is ALWAYS going to be an act of extreme selfishness and murder, you CANNOT convince me otherwise. To me, the fact that people would try to justify it is an example of how low people will stoop to avoid a little hardship.

Because, oh no, we wouldn't want to put a potential mother through ANY kind of suffering just because she doesn't want to. We wouldn't want that. So why not? Throw that thing out. Why not?

And why not? Let's go ahead and justify killing the kid AFTER it's born too. Because the poor mother is having post-partum depression, can't stop thinking of all the hardship she's having, so go turn on the tub, fill it up, and drown that ******** in it, because why put the mother through all that? It's HER choice, isn't it?

I'm sorry if that sounds a little extreme, but there is NO difference in my eyes. It's going to hurt the mother to have a kid? Boo-hoo. I guarantee you, having the abortion is going to be just as bad. Not just for the kid.

When I was working in the hospital, do you have ANY idea how many mothers we got in there, with infections and all sorts of other nasty s**t because they had an abortion, and somebody ******** it up. That happens more often then you'd think. Most of them were underage too, so the theory of abortions being safe is a myth. It's not. ESPECIALLY not for underage girls.

I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for pro-abortionists. I can't. Not after what I've seen. It truly is a sad thing to see how people value human life. You cannot convince me that the child not born yet is not a human, because from all the evidence I've seen, it develops, it grows, a semblance of personality is in there. And yes, there have been accounts of fetuses in the womb having what would appear to be emotions. Ask the mother's of multiples.

Alright, this is this is going to be my last word on it. Anything said after this, I don't care. It's wrong. There is no way to justify it that doesn't sound like complete lunacy to me.


Don't want to touch you but you're under my skin
I want to taste you but your lips are venomous poison


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Sonic Butterfly


The Shindig

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:51 pm


All right, then.
You said you don't care
about what other people
have to say after that
last post of yours, so
I'm not even going to
bother to respond to
what you said.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:07 pm


@Shindig: Don't insult Bush. I think he's done the best he can and made the right decisions in the situations he's had to go through during his presidency. He's been a lot better than if that communist Clinton gets into office. Sorry about that, just had to say it.

@Sonic: You're right about abortion being selfishness and murder. Please don't kill me for agreeing with her.

animegoddess1992


The Shindig

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:20 pm


@animegoddess: Politics is the
one subject I'll never get into.

So if you support Bush, that's
fiiiiine with me.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:46 pm



Lawlz, if the mother's going to die if she doesn't have abortion, that's selfish!!!!

How many of you that think abortion is murder eat meat?

loony x lovegood


The Shindig

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:49 am


@vegan: Heh heh, you remind
me a lot of my sister
sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:44 am


Yes, I actually am pro-choice, but I hate when people go back and forth debating it. No one is going to change anyone's mind. It just makes people angry. I have a best friend who's pro-life to the extreme. We simply don't discuss it. There's no point in hurting our friendship because of something we aren't going to change.

And while I may have sounded pro-choice, because I am, I don't belive I ever called anyone out or insinuated that they were wrong because theydon't believe in abortion, and I would hope they would extend the same courtesy to me in my beliefs.

vertigo_ablaze


loony x lovegood

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:16 am


The Shindig
@vegan: Heh heh, you remind
me a lot of my sister
sweatdrop



Is that good or bad? xD
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:30 am


@vegan: I'd say pretty much good.
She can be a real b***h, but I haven't
seen that from you yet xD
She heavily supports animal rights,
and she's also a vegan and she's
actively pro-choice.

She's written a bunch of articles
for her old school's magazine
about animal rights and abortion.




@chaos: I've seen a bunch
of occasions where people do change
other people's point of view.
I've seen it in a debate about gay marriage,
about abortion, animal rights, politics.
If you present a decent argument and
keep the debate respectful and decent,
there is a large chance of changing minds.

The Shindig


vertigo_ablaze

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:20 pm


The Shindig
@vegan: I'd say pretty much good.
She can be a real b***h, but I haven't
seen that from you yet xD
She heavily supports animal rights,
and she's also a vegan and she's
actively pro-choice.

She's written a bunch of articles
for her old school's magazine
about animal rights and abortion.




@chaos: I've seen a bunch
of occasions where people do change
other people's point of view.
I've seen it in a debate about gay marriage,
about abortion, animal rights, politics.
If you present a decent argument and
keep the debate respectful and decent,
there is a large chance of changing minds.


Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I've seen lots of debates on anything you can think of. I've never seen anyone's mind changed.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:46 pm


@chaos: All right, then.

The Shindig

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