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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:22 pm
SinfulGuillotine Kaki Pan Do you hate me or something. These is why i got mad at you before. I told you to leave me alone, and yet somehow you are drawn to my post. I'd like to see any proof at all that drinking is healthy. And the wine story, everyone knows that it wasn't alcoholic. I don't see why you think that you are a Christian. I'm tired of being nice to ppl. EVERYTHING it says in the Bible you say isn't true. You don't do anything that the Bible says to but maybe love God. I don't see how this works for you. Like I said before, LEAVE ME ALONE! Honestly, you're being quite silly. Just because someone disagrees with you about something and explains why they disagree doesn't mean that they're stalking you or something. If you can't handle a bit of disagreement, the simplest solution is just to never say anything at all. Seeing as how that's a highly impractical way to live, though, a better idea might be to not take everything so damn personally. The wine wasn't alcoholic? You do realise that by definition, wine is alcoholic. If it wasn't alcoholic, it would be grape juice. You only know what was said here. So, I wouldn't give my opinion if I were you. Also, the current English definition may mean that it has alcohol in. Things have changed. You can get the same medicinal benefits from drinking grape juice as you do wine. It's the grapes, not the alcohol, that helps your heart. I don't know how else you could argue this one, but I'm ready.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:55 pm
lordstar the question to ask is what is wrong with getting drunk? what are the undisirable effects? in answering these questions we find that drinking isn't the problem but the effects are think about it Um. If you're trying to justify getting drunk as a good thing, you've done a bad job. You see, every action has a consequence. What you're implying is that getting drunk isn't bad, but the effects are. That's like saying, "The act of killing isn't that bad, but the fact that someone died as a result is a very bad thing." Kaki: Wine was definitely alcoholic, as it was used rather effectively in the Good Samaritan story to sterilize the wounds of the beaten-up guy. If you personally want to avoid getting drunk, you can drink grape juice. But, back in the day, people drank wine. The alcoholic kind. In moderation. Really, there's more reason for the wine to be alcoholic than not, as wine is fermented grape juice, and stores a whole lot longer without refrigeration than grape juice itself. By sheer practicality, the alcoholic stuff would be better marketed in the ancient world. Michan: I've got to agree with your last sentence. It's also got a universal application, as you can replace "consumption" with just about anything. So. Nice.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:51 pm
Didn't Jesus drink wine...at the last supper?
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:02 pm
he did drink, but he wine back then was not fermentated, it had no alcohol in it
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:32 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:50 pm
well, it was kinda fermentaded, but not really, that why I said it wasent. It hardly had any alcohol in it
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:29 pm
The following is an excerpt from http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html. Quote: Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation efforts, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but necessarily not to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not necessarily forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is, rather, drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:01 am
i dont rly get drinking maybe cus im like still vry young but i still get stuff a lot of other ppl my age wont know or they do...either way i dont think its a sin but i think it still is bad... it smells horrible and i tried some b4 i think and it was disgustin.. eek
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:06 pm
Its ok to drink.
I think the whole wine/grape juice argument is weird. Even the early temperance movement didn't claim that one.
In any case, the proof to me is the wedding at Cana, where Jesus turned water into wine.
John 2:9-10 When the steward of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the steward of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him, "Every man serves the good wine first; and when men have drunk freely, then the poor wine; but you have kept the good wine until now."
Why would you serve poor grape juice after good? You would notice the difference.
Why would you serve poor wine after good? Because your senses would be dulled by the alcohol, and you would not notice.
Therefore, Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding at Cana.
I do, however, agree that alcohol should be drunk in moderation only, as drunkenness is condemned. I personally drink very sparingly, due to medication.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:43 pm
Drinking has good health benefits, as well. A glass of red wine with dinner has been shown to lower the risk of heart attack, and may prevent additional heart attacks if you have already suffered from one. Studies also indicated that red wine can raise HDL cholesterol (the good cholesterol) and prevent LDL cholesterol (the bad cholesterol) from forming. Additionally, red wine may help prevent blood clots and reduce the blood vessel damage caused by fat deposits.
Between this, and what the bible states (that's been posted a number of times), I'm a strong believer that a glass of red wine or two at dinner every night is perfectly fine. Anything beyond that, however, while I won't say it is or isn't a sin, is not healthy, and may be cause for your friends/family to be concerned.
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:33 pm
i think your right personally.
drinking to get drunk or with the intention of getting drunk is not bad and should be avoided. it is a sin in my opinion.
but drinking in moderation is okey. like in social events and at holidays and things. just like in communion. but otherwise, its not good. it causes too many avoidable consequences that could otherwise just not happen. like drunk driving, it could kill so many innocent lives.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:34 am
Most things are okay to do but excessively can be bad. That'd include things like gaming and being on Gaia. I don't think drinking is bad (unless you're drinking Jack D. That stuff is bad. Very very bad xp ) Getting drunk generally leads to decreased inhibitions and negative health effects. It can also hurt others. So perhaps getting drunk alone isn't bad but everything that goes with it is what makes it bad.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:27 am
Gambol lordstar the question to ask is what is wrong with getting drunk? what are the undisirable effects? in answering these questions we find that drinking isn't the problem but the effects are think about it Um. If you're trying to justify getting drunk as a good thing, you've done a bad job. You see, every action has a consequence. What you're implying is that getting drunk isn't bad, but the effects are. That's like saying, "The act of killing isn't that bad, but the fact that someone died as a result is a very bad thing." Kaki: Wine was definitely alcoholic, as it was used rather effectively in the Good Samaritan story to sterilize the wounds of the beaten-up guy. If you personally want to avoid getting drunk, you can drink grape juice. But, back in the day, people drank wine. The alcoholic kind. In moderation. Really, there's more reason for the wine to be alcoholic than not, as wine is fermented grape juice, and stores a whole lot longer without refrigeration than grape juice itself. By sheer practicality, the alcoholic stuff would be better marketed in the ancient world. Michan: I've got to agree with your last sentence. It's also got a universal application, as you can replace "consumption" with just about anything. So. Nice. how silly I only asked a question and you failed to answer it kinda the point I ask a question you answer the question take a closer look and see that you missed my point completely
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:28 pm
Drinking is okay at times...but under age drinking is just bad...i do admit that i have been sucked into the temptation at times...but its just wrong when i take a step back...its a regret...even to this day i still find it hard to say no to a drink now and then and im still way too young...but yeah only if your old enough its okay to drink...i mean take a look a our savoiur...on a number of occassions he would drink as festivities for his father...but you would never get drunk...that just leads into sin which is against our christian faith of course...getting drunk makes you easily vulnerable to sin...
....so...just a sum up...
1) It okay to drink
2) It's not okay to drink under age...take myself as an example
3) Jesus drank for festivities only
4) Just don't get drunk because it makes you vulnerable to sin
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:29 pm
etchedspirit he did drink, but he wine back then was not fermentated, it had no alcohol in it wine by definition is alcoholic. i believe the original question was on OUR opinions, not WWJD. could we get back on that, please?
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