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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:43 pm
Quote: There's no shred of historical evidence in the NEW testiment, let alone the old and anyone who seriously takes any of it literally really needs to open their minds a bit and actually question what they believe so blindly. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22060312-2,00.html There's no doubt among historians that there was a Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified or that many of the things in the Bible (both parts) are true...what's not universally believed is the divinity of Jesus or the specific stories surrounding him. But his existence is fact. So is the existence of many Old Testament figures. Out of curiosity, why are you so antagonistic? Why does it bother you so much if people choose to believe what the Bible says is true? Which you don't KNOW is fictional, you just choose to believe it is.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:47 am
Cornetto1 Fine, it could be a dragon for all I care, it is still FICTIONAL TEXT. There's no shred of historical evidence in the NEW testiment, let alone the old and anyone who seriously takes any of it literally really needs to open their minds a bit and actually question what they believe so blindly. Before calling it a fictional text at least do some flipping research. There is proof events in the Bible happened. You can believe some is fictional if you wish but at least think and know what you are talking about before pretending you do.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:20 am
Adam and Eve did have other children other than just Cain and Able.
Back then, I don't think it was a sin to inbreed. I mean, it was the only possible way. lol
But anyways, they probably had other sons and daughters that breeded. whee
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:03 pm
If you read on through Genesis you will find that they had daughters (Adam & Eve). The only possible way to have grandchildren was through inbreeding. I asked my pastor.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:03 pm
They do miss translations all the time. For all you know it could be about Adam and Steve and not Adam and Eve. Although I'm sure they've checked many times, who is to say with as many times as the book has been editted and translated? So what. It referrences a person in the bible? So if Harry Potter referrenced a dragon in another book that makes it true? One of those dragons Harry had to fight could have been Eragon. I fail to see how Nebo has anything to do with Jesus. How does that prove Jesus, it doesn't even mention him.
A referrence in a different book only shows how far Christians will go to try and prove their religion right.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:45 am
marshjazz They do miss translations all the time. For all you know it could be about Adam and Steve and not Adam and Eve. Although I'm sure they've checked many times, who is to say with as many times as the book has been editted and translated? So what. It referrences a person in the bible? So if Harry Potter referrenced a dragon in another book that makes it true? One of those dragons Harry had to fight could have been Eragon. I fail to see how Nebo has anything to do with Jesus. How does that prove Jesus, it doesn't even mention him. A referrence in a different book only shows how far Christians will go to try and prove their religion right.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:19 am
The divinity of christ was not added until St Paul saw a ghost. The apostles who had known jesus in life were angered at what he was teaching and Jesus himself denied his divinity. His teachings were then passed down by word of mouth like chinese whispers, exagerated and distorted and were then written down about a hundred years later.
This is even before the numerous mistranslations and the adaptions made by manipulative dictators.
Of course there is an incredibly slim chance of Jesus' inexistance but that does not make the stories told about his life historically accurate nor reliable.
It is largely believed by historians that Jesus was executed by crucifiction because he held a non violent protest against rome.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:47 am
marshjazz They do miss translations all the time. For all you know it could be about Adam and Steve and not Adam and Eve. Although I'm sure they've checked many times, who is to say with as many times as the book has been editted and translated? So what. It referrences a person in the bible? So if Harry Potter referrenced a dragon in another book that makes it true? One of those dragons Harry had to fight could have been Eragon. I fail to see how Nebo has anything to do with Jesus. How does that prove Jesus, it doesn't even mention him. A referrence in a different book only shows how far Christians will go to try and prove their religion right. Because the books are normally history books written by non-christians. Jesus existed, there are historical documents about his death, it is written about in a poem (I can't remember what its called - not good with names of things) by a Roman soldier I believe. There are more people in the world who believe he existed and isn't the son of God then there are believing he didn't exist at all. If that isn't what you are saying then your post is seriously confusing.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:43 am
I have yet to see any proof that he existed. He is referenced in a poem? Now how many Jesuses do you suppose were around at that time? You do relize that after Constantine the Romans were Christian? So if that poem was written after the switch then if further backs my story. I don't care how many people believe he existed and how many people he believed didn't exist. I believe he didn't exist and until there is diffenitive proof otherwise, I will. And by definitive, I don't mean and article written by a closet christian. I mean magical bones or something. Jesus was the son of god, so he should have golden bones or something.
Also any proof that these people weren't Christian? I don't think so. As of yet I haven't seen even one of the above documents.
That article that was linked to didn't mention anything about Jesus, not a word, it talked about Nebo. Who is Nebo anyway? So guy in the bible. Oh wow, some guy in the bible is mentioned, or course it could be any guy that was around at that time with the same name. People just conect it to the bible because they want the bible to be true.
If book A references a unicorn named Candy and poem B and article C references that same unicorn, does that mean that that unicorn exists/existed? No. It's the same thing with Jesus.
There are historical documents about his death? Oh wow, and these were wrote by who? A christian more than likely.
Christianity is nothing more than a poorly thought out, well maintained lie. Religions are like comfort eating, they keep spoon feeding you lies until you get nice and fat and are full of yourself.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:53 am
Are you saying the bible is a joke? It sounds like it to me. Well guess what it is real.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:25 pm
Tyler, look I don't care if your not going to debate and instead just post random, ill-thought out questions, but I thought when I ignored you the first time you would have took the hint not to do so to me. I will not waste my time with you.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:13 pm
Tyler Marshall Are you saying the bible is a joke? It sounds like it to me. Well guess what it is real. Define "real". If by real you mean fabricated by people, and passed on by word of mouth for thousands of years and eventually written in script, then translated only a billion times.. then you might need to reevaluate the consistency and the accuracy of said "real book". Harry Potter books are real. That is about the equivalent of the statement you just made.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:16 pm
serendipitynsa Quote: There's no shred of historical evidence in the NEW testiment, let alone the old and anyone who seriously takes any of it literally really needs to open their minds a bit and actually question what they believe so blindly. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22060312-2,00.html There's no doubt among historians that there was a Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified or that many of the things in the Bible (both parts) are true...what's not universally believed is the divinity of Jesus or the specific stories surrounding him. But his existence is fact. So is the existence of many Old Testament figures. Out of curiosity, why are you so antagonistic? Why does it bother you so much if people choose to believe what the Bible says is true? Which you don't KNOW is fictional, you just choose to believe it is. And just as we dont KNOW it is fictitious, there is no accurate and definitive evidence demonstrating that it's not. /shrug
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:06 am
Well, your stronger than me Nox. I don't think I could have started an arguement with him. I've learned to just leave them alone.
I'd just like to point out that, I personally choose to believe that I KNOW the bible is fiction. I'd rather the bible be false, anyway.
I mean, look. Christians claim that there is no diffinative proof for evolution and the big bang. There are stacks and stacks that may not be completely diffinitive but it's more than just a book. The big bang was an explosion that happened out of chance and they say that it isn't possible, that even if it was true that someone had to be controling it (ah the logical falicies) Yet they believe that humans just appeared in a poof of smoke? Do that make since at all?
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:53 pm
Tyler Marshall If you read on through Genesis you will find that they had daughters (Adam & Eve). The only possible way to have grandchildren was through inbreeding. I asked my pastor.
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