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 Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:15 pm
Well duh of course people are gonna get offended... we're talking about homosexuality.
Well the only gay people that I know, realized that being gay is a choice, and they are EXTREMELY permiscuous. I know, I know that this doesn't apply to all homosexuals. But I think, (correct me if I'm wrong) that gay people have brought the idea that it is ok to experiment and sleep around. No wonder that we are one of the countries on the top of the list that has most of it's citizens infected with a STD.
Don't get me wrong. My bi friend is a lot of fun, and I love that guy. I just worry about his health. I have nothing against homosexuals, they can be a lot of fun.
I accept homosexuals, and I will be more than happy to be their friends. But I don't support the act.
This does sound a little mean, but I need to get what I think out.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:45 pm
Piano_Freek Well duh of course people are gonna get offended... we're talking about homosexuality. Are you saying homosexuality is inherently and objectively offensive? Quote: Well the only gay people that I know, realized that being gay is a choice, It isn't. Acting on gay urges is a choice. Please see my link list on Sexuality and Choice. Quote: and they are EXTREMELY permiscuous. I know, I know that this doesn't apply to all homosexuals. Wonderful, a rule not based on anecdotes. For that, I respect you. Quote: But I think, (correct me if I'm wrong) that gay people have brought the idea that it is ok to experiment and sleep around. Homosexuality has been around as long as homo sapiens. We have not brought anything new to the table; the concept that we have is cultural perception and an inability to look to the past. Quote: No wonder that we are one of the countries on the top of the list that has most of it's citizens infected with a STD. Homosexuality exists in every country; in fact, more accepting countries have lower rates of STDs. • Differences in sexual activity and the age at which teenagers become sexually active do not account for the wide variation in pregnancy and STD rates among comparable developed countries, such as Canada, France, Great Britain, Sweden and the United States. • Strong public support and expectations for the transition to adult economic roles, and for parenthood, provide young people with greater incentives and means to delay childbearing. • Countries with low levels of adolescent pregnancy, childbearing and STDs are characterized by societal acceptance of adolescent sexual relationships, combined with comprehensive and balanced information about sexuality and clear expectations about commitment and prevention of pregnancy and STDs within these relationships. • Easy access to contraceptives and other reproductive health services contributes to better contraceptive use and, in turn, low teenage pregnancy rates. From http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_teens.htmlQuote: Don't get me wrong. My bi friend is a lot of fun, and I love that guy. I just worry about his health. I have nothing against homosexuals, they can be a lot of fun. Yes. Yes, we can. ^-^ Quote: I accept homosexuals, and I will be more than happy to be their friends. But I don't support the act. This does sound a little mean, but I need to get what I think out. No problem with that, as long as you always remain open to logic.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:04 pm
YAY! you're cool!
and I don't mean tht homosexualit is offensive, I jsut mean it's a controversial topic, and people get offended.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:17 am
Sorry. I am posting.
Homosexuality is an offensive discussion. It hurts people who don't accept one way or the other.
I myself, am not open to, this, so called logic. Because itself defers the logic in which it gives off. Also, it pisses me off how much time this topic takes and how far it ends up going.
It's a pointless debate for homosexuals to try to change people's minds, because it is infact, a christian civil cold war.
It is a ferious end of debate, which goes nowhere.
It is a matter of opinion if you don't understand contexts in the bible. And the opinion that is most un-accepting of the other with more support wins.
That is why homosexuals fight, with hetrosexuals to retain that they are still good. It is because hetrosexuals have more support, as a fact, and homosexuals feel backed into a wall.
Thats why this topic sucks. It is because no one will listen.
Me, myself, will not listen to another side. Thats why I hate posting. Because it is a pointless debate.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:31 pm
It surprises me that within all of this, not one scripture from the Bible has been consulted. I don't know if Homosexuality is a born with trait, I don't think that it is. Before I came back to the Lord I accepted Homosexuality. I myself liked girls as well as guys. All of that changed when I came to Christ. I knew it was wrong so I changed my thinking, I had to ask God to help me do so. It's important to read our Bibles and to pray, that's when we connect with God and when he helps us. I remember a passage in the Bible, forgive me for not knowing the exact verse, but I believe it's somewhere in Genesis or Exodus, but the Bible says that God would give them over to there carnal desires. That men would lie with men and women with women likewise. He did this because the people would not harken to His voice and they wanted to live in sin. Homosexuality is a type of brainwashing experience, not only that but it's a sin nature that only God can help us get through. I'm not trying to bash anyone, you must understand. I just want to bring the Bible into this conversation.
I know that we all know that Homosexuality is a sin. That's Bible friends. And if you don't, please look up these few passeges of Scripture. Leviticus: 18:22, 20:13, I Corinthians 6:18, 11;9. I will also admit that having Homosexual friends is fun. They are nice people and I enjoy there company, but the Bible says in I Corinthians 5:11 that we should not keep company with them. This does not mean someone who is struggling with it and is taking it before the Lord, it means if anyone is openly doing so, brethren or not, we are not to be around them. Thessalonians 5:22, says to abstain from all apearances of evil. If you hang out with homosexuals, people will think your one or that you support it. I love people, including Homosexuals and we all should, although that doesn't mean accepting what they do. So alot of you are correct in what you say. I thought I'd just bring the Bible to the stand.
For the Author of this thread, I understand your friend's situation and I will be praying for him. Getting over sin is a struggle and it takes prayer and the support of others. Ultimately God. I know what it's like.
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:52 pm
Here yeh go Tokyjin_2006 ^-^: NIV - Romans 1:24-32 Rom 1:24-32 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. NIV
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:49 pm
IQ-critical Here yeh go Tokyjin_2006 ^-^: Edit: Whoa! I was way off in thinking of where those verses were. Thank you IQ, I won't forget where those are now. ^w^
I also happened to notice that you are using the NIV version of the Bible. Did you know that they took out a whole lot of verses from it and took the emphasis off of God? I thought I'd tell you because I was warned of Bibles from my church that do that. I wouldn't want you to have to read that Bible because of it.NIV - Romans 1:24-32 Rom 1:24-32 24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. NIV
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:00 pm
Tokyjin_2006 I also happened to notice that you are using the NIV version of the Bible. Did you know that they took out a whole lot of verses from it and took the emphasis off of God? I thought I'd tell you because I was warned of Bibles from my church that do that. I wouldn't want you to have to read that Bible because of it. Would you be able to provide a critical perspective/ analysis concerning this? Meanwhile, I'll research the NIV version ^-^. And as I find material concerning the NIV on the net, I'll update this post with each link. edit: Pro/ "Neutral" NIV (this information overlaps mostly, and does not regard any point(s) from scripture on a verse per verse comparative according to the NIV - it only addresses information about its composition): BibleTexts.com Book Review.IBL STL Global: About The NIV Bible Translation.New International Version - Version Info. (biblegateway.com)Con NIV (this information does regard points from scripture according to the NIV on a verse per verse comparative to other translations): Is the NIV the Word of God?New International [Per]Version. *the addition to the title of the NIV in this one made me laugh, xD*I have not viewed all of the information, but enough to satisfy me that you are correct. Additionally, this has inspired me to research many versions of the bible.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:55 am
i was gay once but i'm not now
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:12 pm
Being gay or homo is not what God has intended it is a demon that came from Sudom and Gimora the reason God destroyed them is bc's of the act of gay that they had... So God did not make it...
Romans 8: 21-26
21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:41 pm
A reply to Tokyjin_2006Tokyjin_2006 It surprises me that within all of this, not one scripture from the Bible has been consulted. I don't know if Homosexuality is a born with trait, I don't think that it is. Then you think in direct contradiction to the many studies PROVING that it is. Fruit Fly Sexuality
LeVay's studies on the male hypothalamus
A news article on gay males' reactions to pheromonesA similar article, about lesbians APAFruit Fly Sexuality - Scientists observed the mating behaviours of fruit flies. The vast majority of fruit flies mated with the opposite sex. When scientists switched around the splicing of one gene to the splicing of the opposite sex, they became attracted to their own sex; in other words, when males were given the female version of the gene, they mated with other males. Same for females. LeVay's hypothalamus study - LeVay took the brain tissue of " 41 subjects at routine autopsies of persons who died at seven metropolitan hospitals in New York and California. Nineteen subjects were homosexual men who died of complications of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) (one bisexual man was included in this group). Sixteen subjects were presumed (7) heterosexual men: size of these subjects died of AIDS and ten of other causes ( cool . Six subjects were presumed heterosexual women. One of these women had died of AIDS and five of other causes ( cool ." (Important parts bolded.)
The findings of this were that while the male heterosexual subjects had a cell group in the hypothalamus (INAH 3) that was twice as large as the females, the male homosexual subjects' INAH 3 was the same size as the heterosexual female. No difference was found in any of the other cell groups of the hypothalamus. (INAH 1, 2, and 4)
Differences in the hypothalamus from the norm have also been shown to have an effect on transgenderism. Altogether, this indicates that differences in INAH 3 sizes have a direct correlation with human sexuality. However, this study has been faulted because all the homosexual subjects died of AIDS, and this may have had an effect on brain structure.
Pheromone reaction studies - men and women were exposed to pheromones of both genders. Homosexual men had the strongest reaction to both male and female pheromones, preferring the male and disliking the female pheromones. Heterosexual women found the male and female pheromones about equally pleasant, while straight men and lesbians liked the female pheromone more than the male one. Men and lesbians also found the male hormone more irritating than the female one, while straight women were more likely to be irritated by the female hormone than the male one.
Reactions were measured by scanning the brains of subjects while they sniffed pheromones.
All of these indicate that there is a biological basis to homosexuality. The APA agrees with this assessment.
Quote: Before I came back to the Lord I accepted Homosexuality. I myself liked girls as well as guys. All of that changed when I came to Christ. I knew it was wrong so I changed my thinking, I had to ask God to help me do so.
That's not quite true. All you changed was your behaviour; instead of dating guys and girls, you switched to dating one gender only. That does not change the underlying attractions.
Quote: It's important to read our Bibles and to pray, that's when we connect with God and when he helps us. I remember a passage in the Bible, forgive me for not knowing the exact verse, but I believe it's somewhere in Genesis or Exodus, but the Bible says that God would give them over to there carnal desires. That men would lie with men and women with women likewise.
That's in Romans 1:18-32. The full text reads:
Romans 1:18-32 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
From www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.com:
Would Jesus Discriminate? Though it may come as a surprise, we consider this to be the easiest of the clobber passages to interpret. This is because Paul, in his classically trained style, thoroughly explains the factual assumptions and rationale behind his condemnation of the behavior described here. This makes it easy for us to answer our question: Does this passage apply to inherently same-gender-attracted people who are living in loving, committed relationships? If we follow the passage, step-by-step, we find Paul is moving through a logical progression. He is talking about people who: 1. Refused to acknowledge and glorify God. (v. 21) 2. Began worshipping idols (images of created things, rather than the Creator). (v. 23) 3. Were more interested in earthly pursuits than spiritual pursuits. (v. 25) 4. Gave up their natural, i.e., innate, passion for the opposite sex in an unbounded search for pleasure. (v. 26-27) 5. Lived lives full of covetousness, malice, envy, strife, slander, disrespect for parents, pride, and hatred of God. (v. 29-31)
The people mentioned in Romans did not pursue homosexual relationships because they were attracted to the same sex; rather, they had become so promiscuous that they would have sex with anyone, male or female. The closest interpretation to the current one that this passage would support is then "Do not deny your sexuality", and far from condemning homosexual relationships, it encourages them for gays and lesbians instead of heterosexual relationships!
Quote: He did this because the people would not harken to His voice and they wanted to live in sin. Homosexuality is a type of brainwashing experience, not only that but it's a sin nature that only God can help us get through. I'm not trying to bash anyone, you must understand. I just want to bring the Bible into this conversation.
Wait, how does a sexual attraction brainwash someone?
Quote: I know that we all know that Homosexuality is a sin. That's Bible friends. And if you don't, please look up these few passeges of Scripture. Leviticus: 18:22, 20:13,
BZZT.
Homosexuality is NOT one of the things the Judaic law says to avoid. Temple prostitution, in fact, is what the relevant passages condemn.
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 actually say that ish(men) lying with zakhar(male human or animal dedicated to a specific deity for a sacred function) was to'ebah(ritually unclean or detestable).
Actually, if we look into the histories of early Mesopotamian cultures, we'll find records of a goddess named Ishtar, who ruled over love and war. This goddess had servants, always male, who were labeled as assinnu, kurgarru, and kulu'u; written down, these take the cuneiform of UR.SAL(dog or man-woman), KUR.GAR.RA(also man-woman) and plainly enough for even the fundamentalists among us, GIS.DUR(p***s-buttocks). Based on this, it's obvious that these temple prostitutes were around and available. Further, records show that there were reputedly blessings given by Ishtar for penetrating one of these males.
Then, finally, it is shown that these cultic servants are around Israel, which would obviously prompt laws barring their use by the Israelites for idolatry. This is shown in 1 Kings 14:23-24, 15:12 and 22:46.
Instead of using these verses to condemn homosexuals, we should be taking a closer look at how we commit idolatry with our bodies.
. 1 Corinthians 6:18 18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. True. However, as Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 condemn temple prostitution, not homosexual acts in general, we cannot use this as a condemnation of homosexuals acts. 1 Corinthians 11:9 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. This verse is taken ENTIRELY out of context, and actually refers to the intended subservience to men women must show. ( That's if you take the passage out of context, too. I don't, but that's a debate for another thread) Quote: I will also admit that having Homosexual friends is fun. They are nice people and I enjoy there company, but the Bible says in I Corinthians 5:11 that we should not keep company with them. This does not mean someone who is struggling with it and is taking it before the Lord, it means if anyone is openly doing so, brethren or not, we are not to be around them. 1 Corinthians 5:11 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. Ignoring that this passage does not refer to homosexuality, as per the evidence above, I'm curious as to how universally you apply this passage. Do you ever talk to non-Christians? Unmarried non-virgins? Gossippers, alcoholics, moochers or druggies? No? Yes? Quote: Thessalonians 5:22, says to abstain from all apearances of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22 22Avoid every kind of evil. That's not quite true. It says to stay away from evil, implying that we should not BE evil. Simply staying away from appearances of evil would make us Pharisees. Quote: If you hang out with homosexuals, people will think your one or that you support it. If you hang out with black people, people will think that you are one or that you support it. If you hang out with atheists, people will think that you are one or support it. If you hang out with the chess club, people will think that you are one or support it. That's bullshit. First off, people shouldn't be measured by what group they fit into. My friend Sam doesn't believe in God. Does that mean I should label her an atheist and walk away? No. It means I should call her Sam, and show her the light of God in me, and if she sees it, then she'll become Christian. We are not supposed to hide our light under a basket; we are to show it to the world, so that all can see Christ. Quote: I love people, including Homosexuals and we all should, although that doesn't mean accepting what they do. So alot of you are correct in what you say. I thought I'd just bring the Bible to the stand. Wait. You claim to love homosexuals, but claim that they're going to hell, that we shouldn't associate with them because it might reflect badly on us, and that we should give them up as lost? How is that something Jesus would do? Quote: For the Author of this thread, I understand your friend's situation and I will be praying for him. Getting over sin is a struggle and it takes prayer and the support of others. Ultimately God. I know what it's like. Obviously, you don't. Reply to Swordsmen-Of-GodBeing gay or homo is not what God has intended it is a demon that came from Sudom and Gimora the reason God destroyed them is bc's of the act of gay that they had... Actually, no. Sodom and Gomorrah is a condemnation of sexual violence. Would Jesus Discriminate The text of the story tells us that “the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man” (vs. 4) gathered at Lot’s door and demanded that his guests be brought out to them. This language is important because it makes clear that the group at Lot’s door was comprised of either all the people of the city (men and women) or, at a minimum, all the males of the city, both boys and men. This is a telling fact. Today, San Francisco has the reputation for being the “gayest” city in the world. Yet even in San Francisco, gay men constitute far less than half the total male population. If the Scripture text had told us that “certain men of Sodom” or even “many men of Sodom” gathered at the door, we might then surmise that the men at the door could have been motivated by homosexual desire. But the text says “both young and old, all the people to the last man” gathered at the door. To suggest that every man and boy in Sodom was homosexual is simply not credible. Any reasonable interpretation of the story must account for the fact that all the males of Sodom (both homosexual and heterosexual), and perhaps even the women, participated in this attack. Something other than homosexual desire seems to have been at work here. This point is reinforced by another fact recounted in the story. We are told that Lot, in a last-ditch effort to save his guests, offered his virgin daughters to the men at the door. Although Lot’s offer is reprehensible, it does yield another important interpretive clue. Suppose you were hosting a dinner party, when suddenly a group of men that you knew to be homosexual began angrily beating on the door, demanding that you send out a male guest from your house. Would it make any sense to offer them a beautiful woman instead? Of course not! If the men were motivated by homosexual desire, offering them heterosexual sex instead would be nonsensical. Lot knew the men of Sodom much better than any of today’s fundamentalist preachers do. And it’s obvious he believed the crowd outside his door was predominantly heterosexual. Why else would he offer his daughters? Although it might be simpler to blame what took place in Genesis 19 on homosexuals, the facts indicate that something far more encompassing and complex was taking place. But what? If the motivation for the attack was not homosexual desire, then what was it? Consider an example from modern times. On August 9, 1997 in New York City, two white police officers were strip-searching a black Haitian immigrant named Abner Louima and grew angry with him. They dragged him into a bathroom and, while one officer held him down, the other repeatedly rammed a broken broom up Louima’s rectum. While they did this, the officers reportedly yelled things like, “We’re gonna teach you n****rs to respect police officers!” (See note 2.) In the aftermath of this terrible incident, nobody has suggested the assault was motivated by homosexual desire. Intuitively, we recognize the two officers were motivated by hatred and fear of people like Abner Louima. In their minds, there was no better way to demean and humiliate an “enemy” than to sexually violate him. This same evil motivation is behind the vulgar phrase “F**k you!” That’s why, when Tyler is poking along the highway in his ’87 Honda Civic and an angry man in a Ford F150 flies by and flips him the finger, Tyler doesn’t think, “Oh, he must think I’m cute!” Tyler knows the man is angry — maybe angry enough to brutalize him. From archeological records, we know it was also a common practice in the Near East during ancient times for soldiers to use homosexual rape as a way of humiliating their enemies. (See note 3.) When victorious soldiers wanted to break the spirit of their defeated enemies, they would “treat them like women” by raping them. The practice was not driven by sexual desire, but by brutality and hatred toward the enemy. The motivation to sexually abuse those we hate is, sadly, part of the general human experience (even if it is not part of each of our personal experiences). And it is this motivation, not homosexual desire, which stands behind the sin of Sodom. Perhaps the men of that city feared the two angelic strangers were spies. Perhaps the fact that Lot (a recent immigrant) had taken them in served to heighten their suspicion. Whatever caused their panic, a mob mentality took over, and before long the people of Sodom were at Lot’s house clamoring to brutalize the strangers. This is a story about attempted mob violence, not homosexual desire. To test this proposition, let’s ask a simple question. Suppose the two angels in the story had been women, but the story otherwise unfolded exactly the same: The men of Sodom clamored to have sex with the two female angels and God destroyed the city. Do you think anyone would conclude this story was a blanket condemnation of heterosexuality? Of course not! Instead, we all would conclude (correctly) that the wickedness of Sodom was shown by their desire to sexually violate two strangers in their midst. In fact, this is the way other authors of the Bible interpreted this story. (See note 4.) There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says, “This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.” (Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst. Please read http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/biblical_evidence/sodom_and_gomorrah.htmlAlso of interest, if you have spare time, is Epistles article on Sodom and Gomorrah: Part 1: http://epistle.us/hbarticles/sodom2.htmlPart 2: http://epistle.us/hbarticles/sodom3.htmlQuote: So God did not make it.. Romans 8: 21-26 21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Please see the interpretation of Romans above.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:24 pm
Piano_Freek Well duh of course people are gonna get offended... we're talking about homosexuality. Well the only gay people that I know, realized that being gay is a choice, and they are EXTREMELY permiscuous. I know, I know that this doesn't apply to all homosexuals. But I think, (correct me if I'm wrong) that gay people have brought the idea that it is ok to experiment and sleep around. No wonder that we are one of the countries on the top of the list that has most of it's citizens infected with a STD. Don't get me wrong. My bi friend is a lot of fun, and I love that guy. I just worry about his health. I have nothing against homosexuals, they can be a lot of fun. I accept homosexuals, and I will be more than happy to be their friends. But I don't support the act. This does sound a little mean, but I need to get what I think out. No, it's ok, I agree with you - it's sad when people are messed up like that because they are still God's children and the act is wrong.
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:25 pm
flyingemublue i was gay once but i'm not now That's good.
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:34 am
Mithrellas Piano_Freek Well duh of course people are gonna get offended... we're talking about homosexuality. Well the only gay people that I know, realized that being gay is a choice, and they are EXTREMELY permiscuous. I know, I know that this doesn't apply to all homosexuals. But I think, (correct me if I'm wrong) that gay people have brought the idea that it is ok to experiment and sleep around. No wonder that we are one of the countries on the top of the list that has most of it's citizens infected with a STD. Don't get me wrong. My bi friend is a lot of fun, and I love that guy. I just worry about his health. I have nothing against homosexuals, they can be a lot of fun. I accept homosexuals, and I will be more than happy to be their friends. But I don't support the act. This does sound a little mean, but I need to get what I think out. No, it's ok, I agree with you - it's sad when people are messed up like that because they are still God's children and the act is wrong. When I post, I wait eagerly with anticipation, without fail, to see what the person after me will say. Sometimes for days, sometimes for weeks. Every single time, without fail, the person after me chooses to ignore my post entirely. Could you please explain why you do this?
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:21 pm
your posts are to Looooooonnnggggggg.
i read all of them. If being gay was right why would you need so much 'proof'.
Quote: God made Adam and Eve, not Adan and Steve. I also have a feeling you accept the theory of evolution as true. Well sorry to spoil it if you thought being gay was caused by a gene, well its not. Evolution clearly states that genes must be able to be pasted on, sorry to tell you two guys can't make a baby.
PS sorry if i sound mean, I just wanted to point some things out.
MICAH
PS I would love to talk more about this, so PM me.
also there have been many scholars looking at passages like the ones you referenced for about 2000 years most if not all agreed that the passages should look like they do now:hence how they look now. People have tryed to connect CHriastianity to our cultur with 'Desprite' theorys like the Gap theory or the Local flood theory. But it doesn't work to well.
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