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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:08 pm
I say we make him test his might. All out psychic combat with someone. If he survives then let him back in.
That sounds just fluffy enough to work.
I've been here and kept up with his lying spree. Before then I didn't even know who he was really. I got a bad feeling about him as soon as I saw that thread trying to show what different kinds of energies look like. I, however, didn't say anything because he was a "higher up" and I was just a regular member, a new one at that.
Stuff like that can cause problems and not everyone is adept enough to find the truth in the mystique. I really have no say at all in the decision of whether he remains gone or comes back, but if he comes back and continues to post questionable things, I'll probably be more likely to call him out on it now.
My two cents.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:58 am
My question is, does Sam want back in? Why does someone leave a guild in a huff, throw a fit about not deleteing all of his posts, and then turn around and want in again?
Not only that, but why would he want to go back to a guild where the active majority doesn't care for him or his practices? Does he have a martyr complex or something?
Some questions to think about, no?
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:22 am
yeah i agree it does make sam look kinda bad but would you be willing to let him back in TEMPORARILY, for a day or so and if he provided proof, like the video he said he'd show you in that time, then would you give him a second chance?
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:56 am
here is what sam has just sent me The FLCL Guy I understand I have been an a** and a lier but at the same time I am only trying to help. If you want proof that I helped people look the Kinetics subfourm. I know they are old but its still more then some. And yet I get demoted for doing nothing but nothing is all I could do seeing that my veiws always seem to upset people. I never meant to hurt anyones feelings. I always have said you dont have to believe in what I say. I myself have gone through alot in recent time and I apologised for lieing to everyone. I understand that my word no longer holds any value but at the same time look at yourselfs and look at where you have stretched the truth and hopefully you will understand that everyone makes mistakes just some are larger mistakes then others. I do not wish to go in and delete my threads but merely be there to atleast try to defend my work I have posted in the guild. What you could do is allow my mule account( FLCL Mule ) to join the guild and leave this one banned so then I can not delete or mess with my old posts. Former Mod,
Samuel Israel Root Jr. AKA The FLCL Guy
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:47 pm
This makes me think. When I first saw this thread, I was a little afraid, as I've recently been learning in my personal life that if you stand up and do the right thing, people may still condemn you as though you are being selfish and manipulative, which the other side is often doing. It has been a great strain upon my personal strength to have to do this and fight these battles. It has encouraged me greatly to have so many people jump straight to my defense, directly and indirectly, and come down in my support. I really couldn't say how good it feels.
As for Sam, I don't know. I said right up until he blocked me that I would accept letters of reinstatement, trying to prove that. He hasn't sent me any, but I am obliged by my word to consider them. I'll want to talk to other people about the guild system, because frankly I wouldn't trust him with any chance that might let him delete his posts, my personal trust in him being depleted entirely, but the mule thing... I don't know. It seems safe. If you want to tell him I'd consider asking the guild if they want to let him back (albeit with a leadership position resembling Court Jester) then I'll think about it, depending on the response. I don't blame you at all, divinitywolf, although I do think it was rather underhanded to try to have you get him back in.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:55 am
i will tell him that and thank you for not blaming me.
I joined this guild to gain friends and increase my knowledge of my interests. The last thing i'd want is to cause discomfort in any way.
I was just trying to help out a friend as i believe he deserves a second chance. Would you all stand up for your friends, even if they had done something wrong?
He asked me to do this as a favour and as he has done so much for me i couldn't just say no as it would make me seem like a selfish person. So i apologise if anyone has felt discomfort from this thread that i started.
*bows in an apologetic way*
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:30 am
divinitywolf i will tell him that and thank you for not blaming me. I joined this guild to gain friends and increase my knowledge of my interests. The last thing i'd want is to cause discomfort in any way. I was just trying to help out a friend as i believe he deserves a second chance. Would you all stand up for your friends, even if they had done something wrong? He asked me to do this as a favour and as he has done so much for me i couldn't just say no as it would make me seem like a selfish person. So i apologise if anyone has felt discomfort from this thread that i started. *bows in an apologetic way* Divinity, just remember than anybody can lie to you, hold nobody's words to be 100% and fool proof unless you can look into their heart and know their capability of lies. A person who does not question what they are taught is a person who is misled easily.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:09 pm
I've all ready made my opinion known...
But I'll talk more anyway, as I like the sound of my voice (... er... look of my typing, maybe?).
The current members have had it made clear to them that they need to question the sources, and that noone is always right. The active people will remember what has happened, and the new people need to learn to judge for themselves.
If you think FLCL just lies, then you will ignore him. Or you may choose to contradict/debate with him. That will then cause further analysis of the subject by those participating in the thread (as well as in the observers).
It will be "hurtful" to the community to bring him back in. But I think it would be just as damaging to exclude him.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:35 pm
Alright. I'd like to hear everyone weigh in on this vote, though, so to speak.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:46 pm
Eh, I say let him in on his mule account. After all, he says he only wants to be here to defend himself, and if he does make new posts about topics - well, he has the same amount of respect as anyone here (okay, maybe less-so), and no longer has his moderator position to back him up in lieu of evidence.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:09 am
I say he should be allowed in if he:
1. Uses the mule account and makes no attempt to delete his threads.
2. Isn't a mod of any sort
3. Treats people with respect and doesn't act like an arrogant a**
4. Actually provides proof or documentation to his claims.
The last two mean the most to me since they are some of the most promient reasons as to why people were getting so irked with him.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:51 am
[BlkCat] divinitywolf i will tell him that and thank you for not blaming me. I joined this guild to gain friends and increase my knowledge of my interests. The last thing i'd want is to cause discomfort in any way. I was just trying to help out a friend as i believe he deserves a second chance. Would you all stand up for your friends, even if they had done something wrong? He asked me to do this as a favour and as he has done so much for me i couldn't just say no as it would make me seem like a selfish person. So i apologise if anyone has felt discomfort from this thread that i started. *bows in an apologetic way* Divinity, just remember than anybody can lie to you, hold nobody's words to be 100% and fool proof unless you can look into their heart and know their capability of lies. A person who does not question what they are taught is a person who is misled easily. i know but after several "happenings" in my life i'm now not believing anything 100% and i believe nothing can be proved so i wont be mislead but the things sam taught me worked so i had no reason to not trust him. yes he may have lied, he could be bad or he could be good. we may never know the reason to why he did it but i still stand by him, saying he deserves a second chance. If my input counts for anything i think he should be let in on these rules 1. Not to make outragous claims unless he states that he can (and will) prove them or if he says that they're his beliefs and he believs them to be true. I dont think you'd all mind if he said things but said they were beliefs instead of being 100% true. 2. He cannot delete his posts. I dont think he would delete them if he was let back in yet he might so no position of power. 3. If he says he'll prove something then he needs to carry that out unless he has a valid reason for it. He cant just say he'll proove something then disappear or it will increase peoples mistrust of him. 4. I think to gain your trust again you should allow him another chance at that video he was supposedly going to make or let him explain why he can't or won't do it. There may be more reasons but i cant remember them :p.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:35 am
iolitefire I say he should be allowed in if he: 1. Uses the mule account and makes no attempt to delete his threads. 2. Isn't a mod of any sort 3. Treats people with respect and doesn't act like an arrogant a** 4. Actually provides proof or documentation to his claims. The last two mean the most to me since they are some of the most prominent reasons as to why people were getting so irked with him. Bah, what the hell XD....>.>....if he comes back and causes problems, we perma ban him, then find him in rl and kick his a**, right? iolite's conditions are the same as mine, thus is why they're quoted.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:44 pm
I agree with most people who have posted their thoughts and "rules"/"conditions". I do, however, think that Josh and/or LoBo should try to talk with him before letting him back in. Just to...kind of see where he stands on the whole thing. And to see if they pick up any tones of false sympathy. I'm not saying he's not genuine. Just..in case.
If he's still going to treat everyone like an idiot, he doesn't deserve to be let back in. But if he can be civil (which I know is possible for him, just not probable), then I suppose he should be given another chance. I still don't like the fact that he threatened to leave and then blamed the mods for kicking him out and acted like he was the victim. But I'll be willing to live with him as long as, of course, he's not still a jackass.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:18 pm
DrasBrisingr I agree with most people who have posted their thoughts and "rules"/"conditions". I do, however, think that Josh and/or LoBo should try to talk with him before letting him back in. Just to...kind of see where he stands on the whole thing. And to see if they pick up any tones of false sympathy. I'm not saying he's not genuine. Just..in case. If he's still going to treat everyone like an idiot, he doesn't deserve to be let back in. But if he can be civil (which I know is possible for him, just not probable), then I suppose he should be given another chance. I still don't like the fact that he threatened to leave and then blamed the mods for kicking him out and acted like he was the victim. But I'll be willing to live with him as long as, of course, he's not still a jackass. Personally I've been trying to catch him on Aim but he's never on >.>...
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