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 Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:57 pm
Nihilistic_Impact You still gladly except that the character can produce an explosion of any size she wants with no concern for the results of said explosion. That's for Ianex to explain. I'm criticizing your reasons because you've provided your reasons and they're bullshit. Nihilistic_Impact What I did while looking stupid to you is not so. One, Iucundatis has a sturdy base to work with, most of his mass is there. Two a side kick allows for more momentum to be built up for the blow. And no, a normal human, much less a third grader, could not push with enough force to topple Iucundatis. That point also needs to take into consideration that Iucundatis is not going to stand there and let someone do whatever the hell they want without doing something. Iucundatis' muscle doesn't matter here. The fact of the matter is HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT AND HAD THE OTHER LEG (WEIGHED DOWN WITH HEAVY ARMOR) AS FAR FROM HIS BODY AND CENTER OF GRAVITY AS POSSIBLE. HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT. HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT.Quote: You do know that for all intents that's a one time deal for the armour? And it's called albative. Do you also understand that the explosion is often enough to destroy said projectile? There is a difference in mass and area between a rpg and an armoured leg which could roughly be thought of at least a foot in diameter all and all. Actually, it's reactive armor. A blative armor typically peels off or vaporizes or the like. The reason it's a one-time deal is because tanks do not have magic capable of making explosions, and thus once an explosive has been set off, there's no explosives left in that area of armor to block the next attack - a problem a mage wouldn't have. And, as you said, the explosion is often enough to destroy said projectile. Your character's leg is the projectile here and I don't care if his leg is a foot thick because muscle does not resist EXPLOSIONS very well. Quote: For an idea on how to incorporate kicks into a fight when using melee weapons read this. I don't care and you're stupid for learning martial arts from the internet.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:42 am
Wow...okay, I leave for the night and the argument really heats up. So basically Jello wants to know how Hohoemi reacts to explosions and their like.
Well, in order to explain this I will go ahead and give some backstory on the character. Hohoemi is human ONLY in appearance, the people at the lab she was developed at felt it was of great use to have a beautiful woman causing the destruction, as she can get places, say a space marine, cannot without question. Since she was essentially created from scratch, the scientists were able to develop her powers to perfection.
Seeing a demolitions expert as the best option for both small assassinations and even city destruction, they forged Hohoemi into the ultimate being for this purpose, which includes the ability to stand in the eye of an explosion without so much as a scratch. Complete immunity to heat, sonic force, and the combustion of the explosion. Essentially anything explosion related, or heat related, Hohoemi can simply ignore.
The ability to move through shockwaves and their like is due to her body's construction and also training. It makes sense that someone who is essentially perpetually around explosions would figure out a way to move around during them, and thus Hohoemi did.
The explosions come from matter essentially leaked through her hands (Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Nitrogen) and manipulated by her mind. Able to remember it because of the pretty shapes, Hohoemi can make any explosive made of these parts. She can manipulate other aspects of items as well, so long as she can remember all the shapes and bond angles, but that tends to be unlikely.
Anything else?
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:35 am
Binatica That's for Ianex to explain. I'm criticizing your reasons because you've provided your reasons and they're bullshit. Only because in your small little world you believe everything you say is correct. Binatica Iucundatis' muscle doesn't matter here. The fact of the matter is HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT AND HAD THE OTHER LEG (WEIGHED DOWN WITH HEAVY ARMOR) AS FAR FROM HIS BODY AND CENTER OF GRAVITY AS POSSIBLE. HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT. HE WAS STANDING ON ONE FOOT.You act as though he's only wearing armour on the one leg. Which would be pathetically stupid, no this is an armour system that is full plate and powered to boot. To Iucundatis it barely rates as a second layer of skin. Of course he was standing on one foot, you tend to do that when kicking someone. Repeating yourself over and over on something as trivial as the fact that kicking someone will require you to ballance yourself is kind of pointless don't you think? Binatica Actually, it's reactive armor. A blative armor typically peels off or vaporizes or the like. The reason it's a one-time deal is because tanks do not have magic capable of making explosions, and thus once an explosive has been set off, there's no explosives left in that area of armor to block the next attack - a problem a mage wouldn't have. And, as you said, the explosion is often enough to destroy said projectile. Your character's leg is the projectile here and I don't care if his leg is a foot thick because muscle does not resist EXPLOSIONS very well. True, they both work on the same principle of having the armour react to the offending projectile. Whether through explosion or vaporization. Yes, you have no need to say that they can't restore their armour. That takes a refit, which is why when there are RPGs about there tends to be more then one.
You're acting in one section as though his armour is too heavy that he can't even move in it and the next you treat it as though it isn't even there. Make up your mind. Iucundatis' muscles are not resisting the explosion, sure there is some energy transfered to them through the armour but the armour which is constructed of one of the most durable materials known to Iucundatis' universe and considering how thick it is it is able to take damage.
Binatica I don't care and you're stupid for learning martial arts from the internet.
You don't care because anything that goes against what you say is seen as heresy in your eyes. The fact that you completely disregard a site without even taking into consideration whether or not the individual is qualified in giving infomation is damning.
So why don't you just scurry along and leave this thread before you get burned even more.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:46 am
Ianex which includes the ability to stand in the eye of an explosion without so much as a scratch. Complete immunity to heat, sonic force, and the combustion of the explosion. Essentially anything explosion related, or heat related, Hohoemi can simply ignore.
The ability to move through shockwaves and their like is due to her body's construction and also training. It makes sense that someone who is essentially perpetually around explosions would figure out a way to move around during them, and thus Hohoemi did.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:04 pm
Quote: I don't care and you're stupid for learning martial arts from the internet.
Furthermore, I feel that everyone reading this topic has had at least one IQ point lowered, and should, in general, be considerably less intelligent for having read your side of this "debate"*.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.*Quoted because, 80% of the topics in OOC aren't debates. They're stall tactics for the stubborn and ignorant.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:08 pm
She was CREATED SPECIFICALLY with this purpose in mind. It would be like creating a computer to do math for you, and then only teaching it the numbers and not how to manipulate them...a bad idea. If she had TRAINED to get that way, then yes, there is no point to that, but her bodies construction was built around being resistent to explosions and their effects.themightyjello So you're immune to the sound generated by an explosion. Whoo~ Your ears don't ring after one goes off. Still leaves you to contend with the blunt force generated by an explosion. If you're immune to blunt force, then why are you even bothering to block the Space Marine Demon Lord Siren Orgy Avatar's kick? You'd just be immune to it.
So the best way of putting it would be to say that her body is immune to explosions and things of that nature, that it has come in contact with before. She wouldn't be immune to a kick or even something much hotter than the explosions (for instance, Tac's little sun cannon thingy) because her body doesn't normally deal with things like this.themightyjello Nice to see that thrown in there. Yeah, one of my characters underwent intense training to teach him how to swim through a solid rock wall. Oh, wait, no, he didn't... because that doesn't make sense. An explosion generates omni-directional outward force. It expands without exception, so there are no cracks in the 'wall', nor are there holes, nor is there any way to escape being hit by the raw, pushing force generated other than being behind cover. While your character may have been trained to do something like keep her footing during an explosion and not be thrown off to the side, making any forwards progress through it is a simple contradiction in terms of size. If it's a big kaboom, you're not going anywhere except back. If it's a firecracker, go ahead and walk right over it. themightyjello No, it really doesn't... It makes sense that someone who deals with explosions constantly would be able to minimize their effect through training and preparation... but it doesn't make sense that just because the person is a demolitions expert, they can stand there and grin because they have some sort of immunity to heat and concussive force.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:58 pm
Not waiting for a response at this point, allow me to state some things. In a previous argument of N_I's (Quin vs. Akira) she talks about a slash on the neck causing one to bleed out and become unconcious.
I ask then, how much blood loss does it take for YOUR character to become unconcious, because missing an arm and charging through a "wall" of explosives would in any case result in a good deal of blood loss. It has been quite a few posts since then...address this.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:57 pm
Ianex Think of it as a friendly fire option. Her body knows exactly what it is doing, and how to get around things that it creates. It has a sense memory of sorts, which is why the first sonic blast from Iucunditas did effect her. Her body was unaware that such force would be generated by that scream, so it did not prepare its proper defense. After being hit initially it built a sense memory to understand that.
So the best way of putting it would be to say that her body is immune to explosions and things of that nature, that it has come in contact with before. She wouldn't be immune to a kick or even something much hotter than the explosions (for instance, Tac's little sun cannon thingy) because her body doesn't normally deal with things like this. lolz n00bxxorz roflmao!!!11!!1! ...so it's like leet hax? Turning off the friendly fire option on life? "My abilities can't hurt me since I'm the one who uses them?" That makes sense with magic... with energy stuff. But you're using explosives: the great equalizer. razz Explosives act upon everything the same way, even the person who built/set-up/detonated them. Saying that they can't hurt you just because they're yours is like me saying that I can't cut myself with this sharp object. Or shoot myself in the foot. Alternatively: how can you be immune to four pounds of plastic explosives in your hand, yet not be able to deal with being kicked? It makes no real sense at all...
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:02 pm
Ianex Not waiting for a response at this point, allow me to state some things. In a previous argument of N_I's (Quin vs. Akira) she talks about a slash on the neck causing one to bleed out and become unconcious.
I ask then, how much blood loss does it take for YOUR character to become unconcious, because missing an arm and charging through a "wall" of explosives would in any case result in a good deal of blood loss. It has been quite a few posts since then...address this. One, Akira was human. Iucundatis is not. Two, you destroyed a hand, not a full arm. Three, Iucundatis is a daemon. You want him to go down you have to destroy him. You want to bleed him to death you'll have to eviserate him.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:07 pm
Honestly, try to follow me on this one. I am trying to explain it without giving up a whole lot on the character, as this is round one...and telling all my weaknesses and such is a terrible idea.
Hohoemi's body has a perfect grasp and understanding of what needs to occur when it uses its powers (magically based, but scientifically founded [unless you know of a way to make someone unconciously leak matter into the air]). It was created to use those powers and those alone. It knows exactly the motions to go through to avoid damage from these things.
Outside forces, it cannot truly comprehend, as the body never performs these actions. Hohoemi ONLY attacks with her explosives, and it as if that is all her body can do. It can still dodge, block, and perform other oddities, but in attacking she will only utilize these explosions that her body understands so deeply that it can seemingly ignore them.
Get it yet?
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:09 pm
So your body can ignore your own explosions but not forces that do not originate from her?
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:09 pm
Nihilistic_Impact Three, Iucundatis is a daemon. You want him to go down you have to destroy him. You want to bleed him to death you'll have to eviserate him.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:10 pm
Nihilistic_Impact So your body can ignore your own explosions but not forces that do not originate from her?
Well, to a lesser extent she can ignore forces foreign to her, but she has to first recognize the similarity between them and her explosions. Hence I was hit by your first sonic burst, but her body adjusted itself for the second and was able to ignore it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:14 pm
Ianex Okay, address how the wall of explosives didn't really effect you then. And explain to me how it is unreasonable for me to have my character do things based on construct but for you him being a "daemon" is enough? You'll remeber that Iucundatis was wounded from that attack. There is blood leaking between the joints in his armour. It's just that blood isn't that important for him. The will to do something is, that's why he's so diffcult to kill. Think Black Knight. Also, I'm not the one saying I can blow things up in my hand without fear of harm. I just have an absurdly powerful, strength/endurance wise, character.
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