i've honestly like the idea of a joint anon account, but with at many people who have and want to do csu, i don't think its feasible.
that said, honestly, i definitely agree on all points. especially the blocking people bit.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:01 pm
Heyo again! Once again, issues are coming up with the CSU, and I feel the need to post again about them.
Seriously, please, let's discuss possible changes to the established methods and rules we already have in place for the CSUs. We can't stop all of the problems, but we can make an effort to fix the bridge so we don't have them as often. Please, provide your suggestions, your ideas, your thoughts.
How can we better put safeguards in place for fairness so anyone that wishes to do the CSUs has the chance to do so on any given day? How do we factor in better for Gaia's early releases, such as tiers and Deals Bear leaks? How can we further discussion so we can provide the best feedback to the staff on what we do and don't like? What other ideas do you have?
Please, let's work together and get this figured out. I don't like having the CSUs get derailed anymore than any other person, because they're meant to be a haven for discussion and data collection for the future, so if there's anyway we can improve things, then please, let's talk about it!
”Tell me why am I still here when it’s all gone; I’m living with the ghost of yesterday Tell me why am I still trying to hold on; I’ve got to tear it down to let it go”
asdjkgasdg thank you for reminding me that this thread exists Kunzi, I mentioned the tiers in passing in the CSU but this is actually a good place to maybe get some opinions on that~ Hey look at me coming out of lurker mode for once
All that said, how do people feel about going back to separate threads for tiers? Like, on the one hand, it's been pretty convenient having them in the same thread as the CSUs, but at the same time, you do get the issue of "do you post the CSU when the tier hits and risk stepping on people's toes, or do you wait until initial update time but people won't be able to check out the tier items easily until then"... Wouldn't it be easier in that case to go back to just having a separate thread for the tiers that goes up when the tier hits, and then the CSU can just be posted at 10am PST/initial update time? Also that'd possibly also make the tiers easier to find again later? Not everyone is as thorough with tagging/mentioning the tier name in the posts somewhere so just having a separate thread for them would possibly make that a bit easier too adsjgk;ladshg
The only other way I could think of to prevent people who really wanna do a thread on a certain day missing their chances is for them to claim even earlier, like, before midnight PST, but that honestly shouldn't be necessary, that's just a bit excessive if you ask me, not to mention like you said it'd just get buried in posts of people talking about the update so that's not super ideal @___@;;
As for the Deals Bear, I'd say to just completely ignore that thing apart from using it to at least be aware of what's coming up later; as far as I'm aware the staff doesn't want anyone to post any links to things early even if it is in the bear, so I don't see why things being in the bear should have any effect on when a CSU is posted at all~
Oof I can't wait until they iron out all the bugs from this migration I had to switch to Chrome to even be able to post in guilds =A=;;
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:47 pm
Nanzzy-chan
”Tell me why am I still here when it’s all gone; I’m living with the ghost of yesterday Tell me why am I still trying to hold on; I’ve got to tear it down to let it go”
asdjkgasdg thank you for reminding me that this thread exists Kunzi, I mentioned the tiers in passing in the CSU but this is actually a good place to maybe get some opinions on that~ Hey look at me coming out of lurker mode for once
All that said, how do people feel about going back to separate threads for tiers? Like, on the one hand, it's been pretty convenient having them in the same thread as the CSUs, but at the same time, you do get the issue of "do you post the CSU when the tier hits and risk stepping on people's toes, or do you wait until initial update time but people won't be able to check out the tier items easily until then"... Wouldn't it be easier in that case to go back to just having a separate thread for the tiers that goes up when the tier hits, and then the CSU can just be posted at 10am PST/initial update time? Also that'd possibly also make the tiers easier to find again later? Not everyone is as thorough with tagging/mentioning the tier name in the posts somewhere so just having a separate thread for them would possibly make that a bit easier too adsjgk;ladshg
I saw you bring up the topic of doing the tiers as a separate thread again in the CSU. And I know it's something discussed before as well in smaller circles.
Honestly... I'm for this idea again, because that what seems to be the problem nowadays. While yes, putting them all in one thread has definitely been more convenient, I do think that doing so has unintentionally brought in more trouble than it's actually worth. I do agree with you as well, it should help with the tagging issues and finding specific tiers. I know with some tiers, such as the "What Are The Chances?" one-day ones, they've been done separately, and that's been just fine.
I do think that it's something CSU threadmakers can go back to doing, and see if that fixes the problem. The problem is making sure ALL potential threadmakers can remember to do this, since now it's common place to put them all together. However, I think it's something that is doable. Especially if it can try to prevent some of the issues we keep having with the CSU.
Although we may still have an issue of people being able to do the tier thread if they want. In the past, when a tier came up, usually it was Kate doing it. Sometimes another people would do it, but 99% of the time it was one person. So if we do go back to doing the tier threads in their own thread, what suggestions can we all come up with to try and make it fair?
Do we make it so only one person can do it, as before? Do we try to figure out ways to allow for people to do it similar to the safeguards in place for CSU threads? Which, honestly, could only work for user tiers since we know when those are coming out, and perhaps days when we know there will be updates to Narwheel or LC? Do we establish a mule for tier threads where a group of threadmakers can do the tiers based on availability? And if so, how do we make that fair on who will have access to the mule? What other factors am I not thinking of right now? xd
I don't know if anyone would be interested, but I'm currently working on putting together a csu discord server so creators, helpers, and future collaborators might have an easier time communicating.
It might an easier way of expressing interest, helping with any bugs, and the ability to discuss issues and not have it derail the actual csu thread.
I don't know if anyone would be interested, but I'm currently working on putting together a csu discord server so creators, helpers, and future collaborators might have an easier time communicating.
It might an easier way of expressing interest, helping with any bugs, and the ability to discuss issues and not have it derail the actual csu thread.
Thank you for this. >w< I have joined, and perhaps others will as well. If we can get many of the regular threadmakers in one common place (although by all means, the guild works just as well!), that would be a benefit. <3
”Tell me why am I still here when it’s all gone; I’m living with the ghost of yesterday Tell me why am I still trying to hold on; I’ve got to tear it down to let it go”
Princess Kunzite
Honestly... I'm for this idea again, because that what seems to be the problem nowadays. While yes, putting them all in one thread has definitely been more convenient, I do think that doing so has unintentionally brought in more trouble than it's actually worth. I do agree with you as well, it should help with the tagging issues and finding specific tiers. I know with some tiers, such as the "What Are The Chances?" one-day ones, they've been done separately, and that's been just fine.
Do we make it so only one person can do it, as before? Do we try to figure out ways to allow for people to do it similar to the safeguards in place for CSU threads? Which, honestly, could only work for user tiers since we know when those are coming out, and perhaps days when we know there will be updates to Narwheel or LC? Do we establish a mule for tier threads where a group of threadmakers can do the tiers based on availability? And if so, how do we make that fair on who will have access to the mule? What other factors am I not thinking of right now? xd
ladykayra
I think at least one staff member noted that they liked the tier threads being a part of the CSU. My guess is because a tier only thread sort of dies quickly as after a while there isn't much to discuss
Another big plus that I thought of later is that, since tier threads tend to be much lower-maintenance, those who want to help out but just don't have the time to dedicate to a full CSU (or aren't in the right time zones), could do a tier thread instead! Like, I can't really do CSUs because I'm usually off eating dinner/doing dishes around the initial update times, and already in bed by the time late updates hit, but with my current schedule I am usually online around midnight PST which means I could easily enough set up a tier thread, gather the links and not have to worry about it the rest of the day, for example o3o b
As for getting people used to that again, I s'pose it could be as simple as just someone posting the tier thread right around rollover and mentioning that the CSU is still up for the taking once 10am PST hits? xD I wouldn't restrict it to a single person doing it, either way, since I feel like the tier threads in particular are much easier for new threadmakers to pick up, and they're a bit less time-sensitive too since they go up at a time that not as many people are online and impatiently waiting to see what the next update contains~ Also no mules, not only would it likely just lead to more people feeling excluded like others have already mentioned, but it's also something that staff repeatedly has warned against because of the risk that's attached to it; it's easiest if we just leave it to people to figure it out themselves the way we used to before, if you ask me.
As for discussion potentially dying out quicker with separate threads, I don't think that'd really be an issue; if anything, I feel like it may be the other way around - tier threads usually kept the discussion going for the full duration of the tier, even if it did slow down towards the end, while I feel like most CSUs, even those that have a tier in them, just die out after the initial day, since everyone just moves on to the next one afterwards o3o a It would mean more "clutter" in the forum again I guess, I can see that potentially being a downside with how slow the forum's been, but on the other hand maybe it'd be preferable over a bunch of threads all talking about how clique-y Gaia's become or what exactly a good CSU should be lol
On the other hand, if we really wanna keep everything together in one thread as much as possible to keep the forum tidy, we could also just decide not to worry anymore about threads being posted super early, at least on days that there's a tier (other days are obviously still out, since there's nothing to discuss before initial update time then). Like, on days that a tier hits, just let whoever wants to do the CSU for that day post right after rollover, no worries about having to wait because of forum etiquette, just get it up asap so everyone can look at and discuss the tier; that might still be a bit troublesome for people on the East coast/those who go to bed early, but it would also cut out some of the frustration at least?
Idk, I could honestly go either way on the issue... I suppose we could always test it for a while by having a number of tier-only threads up as early as possible, and see what the reactions are/how the CSUs for those days end up; if people don't like it, we can always go back to including tiers in the CSUs again~
Oof late reply is super late... Gaia fix yer guild posting already this is so frustrating ;;
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:40 pm
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Why am I weighing in? You don't see me in the CSU ever. However I am watching, and I do partake in the use of compiled information provided by the users. I respect each person's time and commitment into the CSU and honestly, want to partake one day.
While the open discussion PK has began is a great step, it is inevitably going to give you limited feedback by it only being provided in this Guild. A majority of the content consumers you are referring to are not going to see this discussion or give you the feedback to need to see. And this is not me saying that anyone's opinion here isn't worthy, but it's not a good pool of ideas to pick through. (This is also pertinent because here I am replying in March, when it was posted in September in a Guild that I am a part of).
PK, you have covered a lot of information in your discussion and my main point I want to discuss with you is why is it necessary now for this to happen, when the CSU has been chugging along fine without a 'set team' or rules and restrictions (separate from the forum rules). Most of us have seen what happens when the CSU gets moved for a day (when the forum rules or guidelines aren't being met). I believe that most ruffled feathers are from a change that was unintended or not being able to see it at all because of a block list. But a simple fix of making a template maybe? which I have seen in the spoilers of some users' CSUs. If a user deviates from the template, someone else can make a proper one when it gets taken down or moved. There are other locations to learn about new items, Gaia does advertise them. The CSU is just an easy stop for discussion about new items and it happens to come with the day's update in easily clicked links.
What I really hope to see is it continue on as it always has. With it available to any user to create when they have the time or passion to do so. But if you decide to minimize the potential of creativity for users in branching out into a new role on Gaia, the CSU will inevitably become the group of people who run it, and it will look elite, you will be scrutinized by others and you will have to face that decision.
My future hope is that if you discuss change, discuss it in a way that makes it easier for others to join in and help create rather than excluding others because they have differences of opinion, yes? Be the leader who teaches others to have a voice and not the leader who speaks for those who, we claim, don't have one.
I’m really bothered by the fact that yesterday a user’s release day was spoiled by someone they have bad blood with doing the csu. I thought after last time it was agreed that we weren’t going to do that kind of thing anymore?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:03 am
Snow Danger
I’m really bothered by the fact that yesterday a user’s release day was spoiled by someone they have bad blood with doing the csu. I thought after last time it was agreed that we weren’t going to do that kind of thing anymore?
Yes, the CSUs should not be done by people with malicious intent. And, I can honestly say, there was actually a lot of concern and effort to get someone else that didn't have the user blocked (or knew that the user blocked them) to do the CSU. However, it was insisted upon from the creator yesterday to do it, and given that they claimed it first (per the "unwritten" rules for the CSU, the idea usually is that the person who claimed first gets to do it), the only real option left was to let the creator do the thread. We couldn't entirely prevent someone from doing the CSU if they wanted to - not that we actually want to either; we do want new blood to feel comfortable in doing the CSUs, as the regulars can't always do it! - especially without any concrete proof that it was being done with the intent to be malicious. And that was part of the problem: there was no way to 100% say it was done with that sort of intent. We could feel that it was implied, that it was a possibility, that it was a worry, but there was no way to fully prove it.
We can't stop people from doing the CSU if they have a block list or know people have them blocked; it wouldn't be fair of anyone to do that, given how this is a volunteer service. Not to mention the safety issue of people either doing something good for the community or risking getting harassed/bullied; it wouldn't be right to make it a rule. What we try to encourage is that people don't do the CSU for any reason other than to help the community. They shouldn't be used for malicious or passive-aggressive reasons, for popularity, or really anything that isn't to help the community. And it's unfortunate that yesterday this is what seemed to have happened, and for that I'm very much sorry. That shouldn't have been the case. x.x
I’m really bothered by the fact that yesterday a user’s release day was spoiled by someone they have bad blood with doing the csu. I thought after last time it was agreed that we weren’t going to do that kind of thing anymore?
CSU's are run on a volunteer basis, the user claimed the thread fair and square, and ran the CSU to the proper standard. This is not the place to voice your concerns over petty drama. Please move on.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:30 am
I’m stuck on mobile and it won’t let me quote you to reply but it was 100% done with malicious intent. In fact, a friend of the threadmaker posted in one of my threads that the user “gives as good as they get” so yeah, it was blatantly obvious that this was done to be petty and ruin their release day, and I’m disgusted that getting new people to do the csu was prioritized over this.
It 100% sends the message that this is okay to do, and it’s going to be done again in the future now because they got away with it.
I’m really bothered by the fact that yesterday a user’s release day was spoiled by someone they have bad blood with doing the csu. I thought after last time it was agreed that we weren’t going to do that kind of thing anymore?
CSU's are run on a volunteer basis, the user claimed the thread fair and square, and ran the CSU to the proper standard. This is not the place to voice your concerns over petty drama. Please move on.
I didn’t know that using the csu thread to be malicious and petty was a proper standard. My mistake!
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