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 Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:12 pm
Sunshine Peach-Heart TheLostAngel-Mika this is why I am moving to Canada where gay marriage is already nationally leagalized and has been for over 20 years Lol yes. I'm an American who also wants to move to Canada. The US just seems to be a shadow of itself nowadays. We're listening to the Conservatives' weak complaints and giving in to them to shut them up. Canada seems more like a no-nonsense country. If the Conservatives in Canada (or whatever that party may be called there) say "Boo-hoo! We don't want free healthcare! We're going to protest until we rot dead" or "Wah, we don't want marriage equality! We're going to kick and scream and cry until we get what we want!" the Canadian government doesn't say, "Ugh, fine. I guess we can postpone this bill until people calm down". Nope. Canada says "No. I'm passing this bill because I know it will be for the good of the country. If you don't like it, run for office."I love Obama, in all honesty, but I just think sometimes he and all the other Liberals shouldn't stall anything he wants done for the sake of the Conservatives. Err, no. The Conservative Party is in power currently (and they are certainly not friendly to the LGBT community); even if they hadn't won the last election, they would still be "in office", to use your term, because they're one of the most powerful political parties that we have. So they can (and did) kick and scream and fight when things aren't going their way, like back before same-sex marriage was legal.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:10 am
Jeez this world is ruined by opinions....the people that are disgusted by us should think about what they say before they open their mouths. They should put themselves in our shoes and see what it feel's like to be hated...to be unaccepted just because we want to love.....No one thinks these days all they do is talk and talk and dont think about how others feel they just hate and hate for no good reason....But hopefully they will come around and accept us someday...
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:57 am
Taeryyn Sunshine Peach-Heart TheLostAngel-Mika this is why I am moving to Canada where gay marriage is already nationally leagalized and has been for over 20 years Lol yes. I'm an American who also wants to move to Canada. The US just seems to be a shadow of itself nowadays. We're listening to the Conservatives' weak complaints and giving in to them to shut them up. Canada seems more like a no-nonsense country. If the Conservatives in Canada (or whatever that party may be called there) say "Boo-hoo! We don't want free healthcare! We're going to protest until we rot dead" or "Wah, we don't want marriage equality! We're going to kick and scream and cry until we get what we want!" the Canadian government doesn't say, "Ugh, fine. I guess we can postpone this bill until people calm down". Nope. Canada says "No. I'm passing this bill because I know it will be for the good of the country. If you don't like it, run for office."I love Obama, in all honesty, but I just think sometimes he and all the other Liberals shouldn't stall anything he wants done for the sake of the Conservatives. Err, no. The Conservative Party is in power currently (and they are certainly not friendly to the LGBT community); even if they hadn't won the last election, they would still be "in office", to use your term, because they're one of the most powerful political parties that we have. So they can (and did) kick and scream and fight when things aren't going their way, like back before same-sex marriage was legal. Wait...if the Conservative Party is in power and has been for a while, how did gay marriage ever get legalized?
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:32 am
Sunshine Peach-Heart Wait...if the Conservative Party is in power and has been for a while, how did gay marriage ever get legalized? The Liberal Party was in power in at the time, but the Conservative Party was still the official opposition (meaning they still had a large number of party members in government, because they'd won a large number of ridings). If the Conservatives had been in power at the time, I'm not sure what would have happened. Anyway, if you're interested, CBC has a nifty timeline about the fight for same-sex marriage in Canada: Here
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 7:58 pm
Sinister Mist Ninja There is very little hope in america I'm afraid. I go to a K-12 school and I let people know I will not be be talking because on A Day Of Silence. They asked what it was and I told them its where I do not talk except to raise awareness about bulling in the LBGT community and explained what that was they got disgusted looks and they are only in 5th grade. I asked if they were still people and they said yes, but that its weird and a girl (5th grade mind you) that said "I know what they are." her voice was so disgusted as if it was the worse thing shes ever heard about in her short life. I tried telling them you love who you love. The boy shrugged and said its whatever that it doesn't change how he sees his friends, the girl, however, walked away. I see a problem that one who's had so little life can say somethings wrong if they've never experienced the love of someone who you give your heart to.
What I don't understand is how its wrong to love the same sex yet you love your parents or people in your family and one is of your gender. Its not the sexual love but you still love them and all love is the same. So how is loving your family right but loving someone you feel a deep emotional connection to wrong? My school is 6th-12, and there is a lot of homophobia among the younger kids. That scares me... at least hopefully they'll all mellow out and start being more accepting like my class and I did by freshmen year. My school also teaches tolerance, but since my new superintendent appears to be homophobic, I'm scared that the lesson plans might change and the English teachers who will teach these kids might get scared and stop teaching tolerance for LGBT's and focus more on race issues... And that picture was talking more about the socially conservative Republican party. Until they stop being so homophobic, I refuse to vote for a Republican. I would like to know more about Europe's views. And remember, the U.S may not be so gay friendly, but in Africa, it's worse.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:10 pm
Belethiel Sinister Mist Ninja There is very little hope in america I'm afraid. I go to a K-12 school and I let people know I will not be be talking because on A Day Of Silence. They asked what it was and I told them its where I do not talk except to raise awareness about bulling in the LBGT community and explained what that was they got disgusted looks and they are only in 5th grade. I asked if they were still people and they said yes, but that its weird and a girl (5th grade mind you) that said "I know what they are." her voice was so disgusted as if it was the worse thing shes ever heard about in her short life. I tried telling them you love who you love. The boy shrugged and said its whatever that it doesn't change how he sees his friends, the girl, however, walked away. I see a problem that one who's had so little life can say somethings wrong if they've never experienced the love of someone who you give your heart to.
What I don't understand is how its wrong to love the same sex yet you love your parents or people in your family and one is of your gender. Its not the sexual love but you still love them and all love is the same. So how is loving your family right but loving someone you feel a deep emotional connection to wrong? My school is 6th-12, and there is a lot of homophobia among the younger kids. That scares me... at least hopefully they'll all mellow out and start being more accepting like my class and I did by freshmen year. My school also teaches tolerance, but since my new superintendent appears to be homophobic, I'm scared that the lesson plans might change and the English teachers who will teach these kids might get scared and stop teaching tolerance for LGBT's and focus more on race issues... And that picture was talking more about the socially conservative Republican party. Until they stop being so homophobic, I refuse to vote for a Republican. I would like to know more about Europe's views. And remember, the U.S may not be so gay friendly, but in Africa, it's worse. I see. That sucks. One day the world will see it hopefully.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:20 pm
Sinister Mist Ninja Belethiel Sinister Mist Ninja There is very little hope in america I'm afraid. I go to a K-12 school and I let people know I will not be be talking because on A Day Of Silence. They asked what it was and I told them its where I do not talk except to raise awareness about bulling in the LBGT community and explained what that was they got disgusted looks and they are only in 5th grade. I asked if they were still people and they said yes, but that its weird and a girl (5th grade mind you) that said "I know what they are." her voice was so disgusted as if it was the worse thing shes ever heard about in her short life. I tried telling them you love who you love. The boy shrugged and said its whatever that it doesn't change how he sees his friends, the girl, however, walked away. I see a problem that one who's had so little life can say somethings wrong if they've never experienced the love of someone who you give your heart to.
What I don't understand is how its wrong to love the same sex yet you love your parents or people in your family and one is of your gender. Its not the sexual love but you still love them and all love is the same. So how is loving your family right but loving someone you feel a deep emotional connection to wrong? My school is 6th-12, and there is a lot of homophobia among the younger kids. That scares me... at least hopefully they'll all mellow out and start being more accepting like my class and I did by freshmen year. My school also teaches tolerance, but since my new superintendent appears to be homophobic, I'm scared that the lesson plans might change and the English teachers who will teach these kids might get scared and stop teaching tolerance for LGBT's and focus more on race issues... And that picture was talking more about the socially conservative Republican party. Until they stop being so homophobic, I refuse to vote for a Republican. I would like to know more about Europe's views. And remember, the U.S may not be so gay friendly, but in Africa, it's worse. I see. That sucks. One day the world will see it hopefully. Yeah, we just need to keep working at it, world-wide, along with global women's rights, too. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 8:36 pm
Belethiel Sinister Mist Ninja Belethiel Sinister Mist Ninja There is very little hope in america I'm afraid. I go to a K-12 school and I let people know I will not be be talking because on A Day Of Silence. They asked what it was and I told them its where I do not talk except to raise awareness about bulling in the LBGT community and explained what that was they got disgusted looks and they are only in 5th grade. I asked if they were still people and they said yes, but that its weird and a girl (5th grade mind you) that said "I know what they are." her voice was so disgusted as if it was the worse thing shes ever heard about in her short life. I tried telling them you love who you love. The boy shrugged and said its whatever that it doesn't change how he sees his friends, the girl, however, walked away. I see a problem that one who's had so little life can say somethings wrong if they've never experienced the love of someone who you give your heart to.
What I don't understand is how its wrong to love the same sex yet you love your parents or people in your family and one is of your gender. Its not the sexual love but you still love them and all love is the same. So how is loving your family right but loving someone you feel a deep emotional connection to wrong? My school is 6th-12, and there is a lot of homophobia among the younger kids. That scares me... at least hopefully they'll all mellow out and start being more accepting like my class and I did by freshmen year. My school also teaches tolerance, but since my new superintendent appears to be homophobic, I'm scared that the lesson plans might change and the English teachers who will teach these kids might get scared and stop teaching tolerance for LGBT's and focus more on race issues... And that picture was talking more about the socially conservative Republican party. Until they stop being so homophobic, I refuse to vote for a Republican. I would like to know more about Europe's views. And remember, the U.S may not be so gay friendly, but in Africa, it's worse. I see. That sucks. One day the world will see it hopefully. Yeah, we just need to keep working at it, world-wide, along with global women's rights, too. 3nodding Who knows. Maybe the world will make a big change for the better in a few years excepting everyone how they are and everyone having the same rights. THAT would be a dream come true biggrin
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:44 pm
Taeryyn I don't really think it makes a lot of sense to compare Europe to the United States. Europe consists of 50 different countries, all with different cultures and attitudes. Some of the nations are LGBT-friendly, while others aren't. i agree with this entirely. i've been travelling europe recently and the furthest east i went to was around hungary/bosnia. i was lucky enough to be in Budapest when it was their pride, but i tell you any pub/club that had a gay flag outside was surrounded by police. and also i was talking to a friend who lived in serbia for a while, right next to bosnia, they're pride parade didn't even happen as it was a complete mess, activists were attacked from the try beginning of the day. but my point is i was also in berlin this summer where you could literally walk down the road with a cat on your head and no one would even look. so no one even batted an eyelid when i was necking (with an awfully sexy french man wink ) in the middle of the road. so yeah my point is lets not isolate the continents, LGBT rights are completely down to cultural settings and attitudes, and this is dictated by the history of that country. i think religion is of course a huge part of this because however progressive or 'metropolitan' a place my claim, its not so easy to abstract that society from its ancestral religion, as religion was once what dominated the rules and regulations of social circumstances completely, so some foundations of society are still connected to religion. but anyway I'm waffling. sweatdrop main point: i agree, every country differs completely
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:17 pm
I don't like to think of the word never, just seems so final and loses all hope. I think if people are more positive and keep working together, it is possible to for the USA to be more LGBTIQ friendly. It might not be for awhile and will take a lot of hard work, but I wouldn't say never (no one can see the future, just make guesses and things can change).
I also agree that Europe isn't perfect (no country is) and some countries are a lot friendlier than others.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:59 pm
It always seems that the grass is greener on the other side. Sadly, in America, our grass is turning yellow because of conservative religious ideas worming their way into the government.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:38 am
Mortelle Sourire It always seems that the grass is greener on the other side. Sadly, in America, our grass is turning yellow because of conservative religious ideas worming their way into the government. If I could, I'd tip this post. And let's not forget about Asian countries as well while we're on the topic of discussing countries that are LGBT friendly and those that are not.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:53 am
san polo Taeryyn I don't really think it makes a lot of sense to compare Europe to the United States. Europe consists of 50 different countries, all with different cultures and attitudes. Some of the nations are LGBT-friendly, while others aren't. i agree with this entirely. i've been travelling europe recently and the furthest east i went to was around hungary/bosnia. i was lucky enough to be in Budapest when it was their pride, but i tell you any pub/club that had a gay flag outside was surrounded by police. and also i was talking to a friend who lived in serbia for a while, right next to bosnia, they're pride parade didn't even happen as it was a complete mess, activists were attacked from the try beginning of the day. but my point is i was also in berlin this summer where you could literally walk down the road with a cat on your head and no one would even look. so no one even batted an eyelid when i was necking (with an awfully sexy french man wink ) in the middle of the road. so yeah my point is lets not isolate the continents, LGBT rights are completely down to cultural settings and attitudes, and this is dictated by the history of that country. i think religion is of course a huge part of this because however progressive or 'metropolitan' a place my claim, its not so easy to abstract that society from its ancestral religion, as religion was once what dominated the rules and regulations of social circumstances completely, so some foundations of society are still connected to religion. but anyway I'm waffling. sweatdrop main point: i agree, every country differs completely I agree with you guys. I live in Finland where the politics give hope for equality, but a lot of backward, often religious, people make life difficult for sexual minorities. Twice now the Pride parade in Helsinki has been attacked by people throwing eggs and stuff. As a proud bisexual, I've been in situations where women don't want to be seen kissing me in public ('think what the neighbors would say'), and in situations where people insult sexual minorities, not yet knowing that one of the listeners is member of said minorities. it gets tiresome.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:18 pm
I really hope one day the US will be tolerant of gay, lesbian, trangender, etc. people. There are two reasons I can think of why we aren't: 1. Church 2. Ignorance and Fear
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:16 am
Shanna66 we have already come a long way since 2000. serving in the military was a HUGE step for us and will help open more doors for our freedons and rights as time goes on. in very confident that there will be equal rights very soon in our lifetime. Yay!! Right here biggrin gay and in the military!
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