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 Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:30 pm
@piru: The part about society is true. As long as you stay out of other people's business, no one really gives a damn what you do. But I disagree with the management portion. In fact, I feel that being able to sympathize with employees is a very valuable aspect that, though making managerial decisions more difficult, is an important part of keeping morale high and boosting productivity.
@Labyrinth: That's the thing though. I have no problem with killing anyone regardless of whether they did anything wrong or not. Like a lot of times I'll just see someone walking down the street and think about how easy it would be to kill them and think of all these different ways to pull it off. I also think of what people's reactions would be namely their families and wonder whether I'm actually doing them a favor.
@Umbrae: I didn't really say I was crazy. In fact, I'm saying the exact opposite. I'm saying that I may have a disability (in this case sociopathy) that prevents me from being able to sympathize with other people in terms of emotion etc. but it is not to the point where I actually don't have any control over my actions. Also I disagree. I am a sap. The thing is, I'm aware that I am a sap. Both in the way that I can put myself in the shoes of someone else (even though I can't really imagine what it would be like to actually love, hate, grieve, etc.) and in the sense that people take advantage of me and I allow it to happen simply because I know that I'll be a better person than they'll ever be by helping people regardless of whether they need it/ask for it or not.
@Mind: Again I'm not saying that I'm crazy. I'm saying that I can't sympathize with people but it doesn't really influence my behavior (though it does influence my thoughts). And I can understand that you would think that I'm a very desensitized person because of what I said, but the thing is, it's very easy for me to put myself in another person's shoes. It's just that the things that I think (or in most cases know) will help them are usually very hurtful to them in some way (I honestly can never understand why that's so) and usually causes them to excommunicate me. But honestly, I only have their best interests in mind. In a sense, I care, but because of my lack of shared experience, I can't sympathize. Also where did schizophrenia come in? As for paranoia, people often call me paranoid but I completely disagree. Yes I always carry around knives and wear clothes that would maximize my lethality in a self defense situation, but it's only because I wonder if there are other people out there who think like me in the sense that they'll kick someone's a** just for the hell of it. I wouldn't say it's so much paranoia so much as it is a general preparedness. All in all, no I don't think I'm paranoid.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:21 am
With all my fury, every inch of pain
This violent anger tearing us away
Hate, destruction, human consumption
Creates division, blinded in visionI wouldn't call you a psychopath at all.... Just a person with an opinion... But, it is kinda bad that you think there's nothing wrong with it.... I can say this for sure, people who does exactly what you say is no big deal... well it caused my boyfriend to commit suicide... so, I don't mean this in a bad way, but I'm kinda offended that you think there's nothing wrong with it when my boyfriend suffered for 15 years and is now gone forever... .-.
And, same thing happened to one of my good friends... she wasn't really abused, and she's still alive, but her mom would hit her sometimes, but it got all worked out... but still.... I just don't see how you can think it's okay, personally since I've felt the grief and pain of losing someone I was planning on marrying one day because of exactly this; abuse.. :/ Raging like the wave, crashing to its place
Such violent delights have violent ends
So furiously, my insanity, trapped in vanity
Scrounged in desire, raging like a fire
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:02 pm
I think there's nothing wrong with it because I've experienced it before and it just doesn't phase me anymore. I think the only time I may have grieved was when my cat died but that is all. After that, any death, regardless of who it may have been, just didn't seem to phase me. And by that, I mean I couldn't feel anything if I tried. All I could think was that one of these days, we'll all end up like that. Why does it matter so much when that happens? After all time is relative. I could die tomorrow and it wouldn't make any difference to me whether it was then or 80 years from now. And I don't feel that anyone should care about that either. I mean in all honesty, what is it that you think we do in life? As far as I can see, all we do in life is make life worse for those around us. In a sense, us being alive just makes the world a shittier place. We would all do better off living sustainably in solitude. Or at least I would. There's no need for others to be around and all it really does is cause emotional strife and suffering. In a sense we all deserve to and very well should die early deaths if only to alleviate the future pain that we inflict unto others. Sometimes it just may take someone else to speed up the process.
As for how I can think it's OK, it's because there are so many things wrong with the world and society that everyone turns a blind eye to. Or maybe not so much turns a blind eye to so much as are too scared to take action to fix it. You think of all these things like bullying (IRL or cyber), harassment, prejudice, bias, emotional abuse, verbal abuse, retaliation, and intimidation. Now why is it that kicking someone's a** and even murder is worse than any of these? In one case (harassment), you're making someone's life hell to the point where there is no enjoyment in it anymore. In another (murder), you're simply ending it. No enjoyment, but no pain either. As I said before, I would consider murder not a punishment, but actually a gift for those who cause pain. It's the closest thing that they'll ever get to atonement and retribution for their transgressions.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:41 pm
Actually, there are cases where schizophrenics DO realize that they are, as some call it, 'crazy'. There's actually one case of this which I know of first hand. This man has multiple personality disorder and is aware of it. He'll tell his other personality to 'cut it out, you're scaring these people' and then apologize for it afterwords.
On the subject of this forum, I don't believe that you are 'psychotic', or anything like that, and it doesn't really make a difference to me. You understand whats right and wrong, and take action because of it. Therefore it wouldn't matter if you were. You haven't hurt anyone, etc. etc.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:19 pm
Sadly I agree with pretty much everything you've said.
Especially when I was little. Now though, I still think that way but the bonds I have are stronger than the vague ones I have with my parents and I miss them when they're away or out of contact.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:03 pm
Luna_of_the_skyedneleski Actually, there are cases where schizophrenics DO realize that they are, as some call it, 'crazy'. There's actually one case of this which I know of first hand. This man has multiple personality disorder and is aware of it. He'll tell his other personality to 'cut it out, you're scaring these people' and then apologize for it afterwords. On the subject of this forum, I don't believe that you are 'psychotic', or anything like that, and it doesn't really make a difference to me. You understand whats right and wrong, and take action because of it. Therefore it wouldn't matter if you were. You haven't hurt anyone, etc. etc. Well as I said before, I don't necessarily understand what's right and wrong so much as I understand what others understand is right and wrong. In fact there are many things that I see people consider right which they'll consider wrong simply because the situation they're in changes. @Friend: I'm not sure if I understand. The "bonds" that I have with people are easily built and just as easily severed. Thinking about it, I don't think you can really call them bonds at all. Most of the time it simply depends on who's there at the time. It works because there's never anyone who's really there for you all the time.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:26 pm
maui boy no ka oi @piru: The part about society is true. As long as you stay out of other people's business, no one really gives a damn what you do. But I disagree with the management portion. In fact, I feel that being able to sympathize with employees is a very valuable aspect that, though making managerial decisions more difficult, is an important part of keeping morale high and boosting productivity. Well I mean for big management positions. You have to fire someone. There's the slacker who has three kids and needs the money, or the hardworker who is single and is only supporting yourself. The logical choice is fire the slacker; the emotional choice is the hardworker. The fact that you brought up ties to people shows you're not totally alienated from society. You connect with them at some level, even if its not totally emotional. That's all that's required for a job anyway. I really think you're looking too into it, maybe in hopes of have a reason for why you think the way you do. If you were really sociopathic, you wouldn't have problems with killing a puppy for wetting the carpet or in general just to do it. Sociopathic people don't hesitate. The reason I feel like you're not psychotic is I've noticed my thoughts are a lot like some of your posts. I can stop seeing someone and not feel bad because I know there's always people to hang out with or pass the time if I need them to. It just means I'm more logical than emotional.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:03 pm
Hmmm I thought I mentioned that earlier in the thread. Too lazy to look for the post now but yes. I can connect with people in a sense but not an emotional one. I was actually just discussing this over dinner with my grandma last night. I was explaining that the easiest way to find the root of all your problems is to simply ask yourself one question: "Why?" If you were to do that of other people, it makes it easy for you to put yourself in their shoes.
For example, let's use my mom. She's living with my grandma folks right now. Why is she living there? Because she has no income. Why does she have no income? Because she was laid off. Why was she laid off? New management took over and made some major cuts. Why did new management take over? Because the previous owners went under. Why did they go under? Because the hotel industry is not a secure line of work. So why did my mom take the job in the first place? Because it offered more money. Why was more money important to her? Because she wants the luxury of a roof over her head and the possessions of the middle-high class folks. Why does she want those luxuries? Because she's not satisfied with what she has right now. Why is she not satisfied with what she has right now? Because she's greedy/wanting. Why is she wanting? Because she doesn't know what it's like to have nothing. Why doesn't she know what it's like to have nothing? Because she doesn't ask herself these questions when confronted with someone who has nothing.
The types of relationships I form with other people are based purely on observation and deductive logic. It may seem like I understand someone better than they even understand themselves, but in reality, I don't understand them at all. I understand their feelings and the reasons for their strife, but I cannot understand their actions and why they choose to do the things they do. That's why whenever people do something that doesn't make sense for them to do, I automatically blame emotion since it's the one thing I've not felt enough to understand completely. That girl is gonna date that guy even though he's known to be a thug and a player? He must make her happy in some way. That guy is gonna rent an apartment for decades instead of saving up his money to buy a house? He must be insecure and lacking confidence in himself. That girl doesn't reply to my messages or answer my phone calls? I must have done something to piss her off. That girl tells me she never wants to talk to me again despite the fact that I've done nothing wrong? One of her friends/family members must be making her sad. 9/10 times I'm right about those things. Not because I've experienced it, but because I know people to do stupid things when they feel too strongly about something. In a sense, all the people I meet are nothing but little robots doing whatever it is they were programmed to do. It's easy to predict them, it's easy to manipulate them, it's easy to trap them within their own faulty logic. In turn though, I may just be someone else's robot and them another's. In the end, would it really matter if we all died tomorrow? In the eyes of the universe, we're just a bunch of disposable ball point pens. Sure it would suck if the pen ran out of ink, but it's not like we really care when it does. After all, they all run out of ink anyway. Just throw it away and grab a new one.
EDIT: Also as per management position, that doesn't really make much sense to me. If anything, I'd vote in favor of the single person. Each one of the members in his family could do something to help the family out. If none of them do, why should they deserve to be handed crap on a silver platter? That guy who works hard and does good work even when he has no one to support and no one to be supported by shows me that he's a better person than anyone in that other guy's family is. To me, they deserve to be out on the street simply because they're all d**k-riding one guy to pull in the money they need to get by.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:44 pm
But that Is what a company wants. Someone who puts the company as first priority.
An emotional man might justify it as the family man is tired from family duties, or the single man is such a hard worker he will have no problem getting another job.
I guess I just fail to see how understanding people logically makes you psychotic instead of just cold. It's hard to feel compassion for people when you can see logically how they brought this on themselves.
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:49 pm
maui boy no ka oi I see nothing wrong in harming or even killing another human being. The only thing keeping me from doing so is my understanding that it is wrong to other people. So my psychopathic philosophy is only canceled out by my ability to sympathize with others. It's so ironic though that I have a strong sense of right and wrong only because the people I care about have such values. omg, there's more? *glomp* For a while I was feeling stranded. <3
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:04 pm
pirulaso But that Is what a company wants. Someone who puts the company as first priority. An emotional man might justify it as the family man is tired from family duties, or the single man is such a hard worker he will have no problem getting another job. I guess I just fail to see how understanding people logically makes you psychotic instead of just cold. It's hard to feel compassion for people when you can see logically how they brought this on themselves. Well what is the difference in your eyes between a homicidal psychopath and a cold-blooded killer? I personally don't see much of a difference at all. @above: More spam musubi? That s**t is delicious.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:40 pm
maui boy no ka oi pirulaso But that Is what a company wants. Someone who puts the company as first priority. An emotional man might justify it as the family man is tired from family duties, or the single man is such a hard worker he will have no problem getting another job. I guess I just fail to see how understanding people logically makes you psychotic instead of just cold. It's hard to feel compassion for people when you can see logically how they brought this on themselves. Well what is the difference in your eyes between a homicidal psychopath and a cold-blooded killer? I personally don't see much of a difference at all. @above: More spam musubi? That s**t is delicious. I do. There's a difference between a serial killer like Ed Gein and a cold blooded gangster like Al Capone. Ed Gein couldn't help himself and had to kill whoever his hallucination mother told him to. It's why he only had like 3 victims before he ended up in an insane asylum. Al Capone may have been a hitman in his early career but it was for monetary reasons.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:48 pm
maui boy no ka oi @above: More spam musubi? That s**t is delicious. Spam musubi? I must see this fascinating... thing. I'm not really sure what to add to this conversation other than: What's so wrong with being this way? As long as we don't physically hurt people, there shouldn't be anything wrong. :/ Then again, my family doesn't know I'm like this. They may have an inkling, but like an ore deposit they have no idea how deep it goes. The people around you know you're like this, right?
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:20 pm
Alexander J Luthor maui boy no ka oi @above: More spam musubi? That s**t is delicious. Spam musubi? I must see this fascinating... thing. I'm not really sure what to add to this conversation other than: What's so wrong with being this way? As long as we don't physically hurt people, there shouldn't be anything wrong. :/ Then again, my family doesn't know I'm like this. They may have an inkling, but like an ore deposit they have no idea how deep it goes. The people around you know you're like this, right? Ha, I did say that at the very beginning.
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:28 pm
pirulaso Ha, I did say that at the very beginning. Then you're my favorite. D: I told a friend at work, they're all starting to notice how OCD I am, that if she messed with the organizing I did I'd likely stab someone with a spoon pen. The world needs order, and I will make it. Anyone who gets in the way of my order is ex-pen-dable.
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