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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:12 pm
xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:19 pm
brainnsoup xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:09 pm
xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:31 pm
brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:11 pm
xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. What if I said I hated Christianity?
If a person wishes to stay in the dark and chooses not to expand the size of his pea brain, that is his own choice. But it isn't an informed opinion. I can't and won't try to ban a person's personal thoughts. Still, it is understandable to find faults with a religion. It's stupid to hate a religion.
I could possibly understand if a religion is solely based on infanticide and torturing puppies. But the truth is that all religions are trying to work towards what its people think is good. Every religion is corrupted and twisted by people. And most religions encourage a dangerous cultish level of devotion and obedience. But it is plain stupid to hate a religion. Especially one that you know nothing about. And I guarantee that anyone who claims to hate Islam doesn't understand it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:15 pm
brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup What's wrong with being open to different ideas? The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. What if I said I hated Christianity?
If a person wishes to stay in the dark and chooses not to expand the size of his pea brain, that is his own choice. But it isn't an informed opinion. I can't and won't try to ban a person's personal thoughts. Still, it is understandable to find faults with a religion. It's stupid to hate a religion.
I could possibly understand if a religion is solely based on infanticide and torturing puppies. But the truth is that all religions are trying to work towards what its people think is good. Every religion is corrupted and twisted by people. And most religions encourage a dangerous cultish level of devotion and obedience. But it is plain stupid to hate a religion. Especially one that you know nothing about. And I guarantee that anyone who claims to hate Islam doesn't understand it.*shrugs* One of my friends says God is dead. In some way I kinda prefer it when take a definite view (even if it's totally against Christianity or something I believe) because 1) they're more likely to stick to Christianity really strongly if they come to it, and 2) it says that's better in the Bible. I don't think it is. I don't understand Islam perfectly, but to tell the truth, after reading what happens to people in the Islamic nations, I hate it. Some of the men are real monsters, and some of the stories make me want to weep for the victims. I know there's evil Christians, but these people (men mainly) use this religion as an excuse to keep the power in their hands. Some of it's also misinterpretation, but not all of it is .It's not just that either. I feel like Islam twisted Christianity and Judaism and called it 'truth'. It bugs me a lot more that something I value is made less to give support to something completely different, then when it's simply hated. At least being hated is honest in a way. There's Muslims I like, Muslims I've enjoyed reading about, Muslims I'm friends with; I don't hate them in the least. But I hate the religion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:39 am
brainnsoup I know what you mean. The whole debate about building a Mosque has made it pretty clear that America hasn't grown as much as we thought since 9/11 when it comes to tolerance. Or actually, that's just exactly what it is: People tolerate Muslims. In general, they don't educate themselves. Or try to understand. Or accept. They tolerate. I think the issue with the Mosque in New York is the location. I feel like it is a bit of a slap in the face. Yes, the people who destroyed those buildings were Muslim. No, not all Muslims are terrorists. Since we are in this war America is going to be very "jumpy" with Muslims. But I can not speak for the entire American race. I do not mind seeing the women walk around in their respectful attire, but I have to say the turbans make me a little uneasy. Please do not yell at me. It is just because of what has happened and things my husband has told me. I can give an example. In Vietnam women would make themselves look pregnant and walk up to the American troops. Under their dress, their "baby belly", would be bombs. So we lost hundreds of men because of the women bombers. Some were even kids! Men could easily do this with their turbans. I know that the Muslims in our country wanted a better future, but thanks to the extremists in their home country they are now being... watched?
Sorry, I'm jumping back and forth trying to defend my reasoning, but I've had arguements with people before and I just want to clarify a little better. And now I know that the Al Queida are Muslims sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:47 am
Captain_Shinzo ( Did I mention the only black republican had to say Obama started the war? You know how many Democrats AND Republicans got pissed at him? That's the stupidest thing you can say. ) I heard about that! I can't even find words to express my feelings at that! How stupid! The war started when? Before Obama was elected! That's all you need to know! *shakes head* Wow... And these people are in charge of our country. Yet another reason why I do not watch the news... Especially Fox...
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:32 pm
But all sources are biased. You don't look for news without bias, you look for the truth under the bias and form your own conclusions. confused
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:56 pm
xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup What's wrong with being open to different ideas? The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. What if I said I hated Christianity?
If a person wishes to stay in the dark and chooses not to expand the size of his pea brain, that is his own choice. But it isn't an informed opinion. I can't and won't try to ban a person's personal thoughts. Still, it is understandable to find faults with a religion. It's stupid to hate a religion.
I could possibly understand if a religion is solely based on infanticide and torturing puppies. But the truth is that all religions are trying to work towards what its people think is good. Every religion is corrupted and twisted by people. And most religions encourage a dangerous cultish level of devotion and obedience. But it is plain stupid to hate a religion. Especially one that you know nothing about. And I guarantee that anyone who claims to hate Islam doesn't understand it.*shrugs* One of my friends says God is dead. In some way I kinda prefer it when take a definite view (even if it's totally against Christianity or something I believe) because 1) they're more likely to stick to Christianity really strongly if they come to it, and 2) it says that's better in the Bible. I don't think it is. I don't understand Islam perfectly, but to tell the truth, after reading what happens to people in the Islamic nations, I hate it. Some of the men are real monsters, and some of the stories make me want to weep for the victims. I know there's evil Christians, but these people (men mainly) use this religion as an excuse to keep the power in their hands. Some of it's also misinterpretation, but not all of it is .It's not just that either. I feel like Islam twisted Christianity and Judaism and called it 'truth'. It bugs me a lot more that something I value is made less to give support to something completely different, then when it's simply hated. At least being hated is honest in a way. There's Muslims I like, Muslims I've enjoyed reading about, Muslims I'm friends with; I don't hate them in the least. But I hate the religion. Well let's start with this: Why do you hate it?
And if you don't mind me asking, what do you actually know about Islam?
@Aakosir: I understand why you're uneasy, and I understand why America is uneasy. But it's wrong and misplaced. And people shouldn't have to suffer for trying to practice their religion.
And yeah, someone could hide a weapon in a turban. Or a purse. Or a skirt. Or a baggy jacket. If we really want to be safe, we should just ban clothes all together and run around naked. Any objections?
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:06 pm
brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good? I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. What if I said I hated Christianity?
If a person wishes to stay in the dark and chooses not to expand the size of his pea brain, that is his own choice. But it isn't an informed opinion. I can't and won't try to ban a person's personal thoughts. Still, it is understandable to find faults with a religion. It's stupid to hate a religion.
I could possibly understand if a religion is solely based on infanticide and torturing puppies. But the truth is that all religions are trying to work towards what its people think is good. Every religion is corrupted and twisted by people. And most religions encourage a dangerous cultish level of devotion and obedience. But it is plain stupid to hate a religion. Especially one that you know nothing about. And I guarantee that anyone who claims to hate Islam doesn't understand it.*shrugs* One of my friends says God is dead. In some way I kinda prefer it when take a definite view (even if it's totally against Christianity or something I believe) because 1) they're more likely to stick to Christianity really strongly if they come to it, and 2) it says that's better in the Bible. I don't think it is. I don't understand Islam perfectly, but to tell the truth, after reading what happens to people in the Islamic nations, I hate it. Some of the men are real monsters, and some of the stories make me want to weep for the victims. I know there's evil Christians, but these people (men mainly) use this religion as an excuse to keep the power in their hands. Some of it's also misinterpretation, but not all of it is .It's not just that either. I feel like Islam twisted Christianity and Judaism and called it 'truth'. It bugs me a lot more that something I value is made less to give support to something completely different, then when it's simply hated. At least being hated is honest in a way. There's Muslims I like, Muslims I've enjoyed reading about, Muslims I'm friends with; I don't hate them in the least. But I hate the religion. Well let's start with this: Why do you hate it?
And if you don't mind me asking, what do you actually know about Islam?
I hate it because Muhammad twisted two other religions for money and power, and because they've made Jesus into one of their prophets, and also because there are verses that they use to mistreat women in the Middle East. I blame the Koran for having at least some part in the suffering there. If there were Jews who hated Christians because they think we stole from their religion, I wouldn't blame them, but at least you can't say Jesus didn't suffer for what He did. He died on a cross. Muhammad, so far as I can see, got tons of respect and riches, and not a lot of the pain. So to recap, I hate it: 1) For it's founder. 2) Because it disrespects the two religions I value most. 3) And for modern day suffering based off verses from it's holy book. 4) Oh, and it's a belief in their religion our Holy Book was distorted, which bugs me to no end. It sounds like a cop-out to me, and I don't see how any of them would know (and how would they know anything about Jesus anyway, if it developed a long time after His death?). What I know: Muhammad was the founder. Muslims have great reverence for him as the 'Last Prophet', though they don't consider him a god. Allah (which means 'god') is their only god, and they consider it a sin to have any others. They follow the Five Pillars, including a visit to Mecca and praying five times a day. Islam means 'submission'. In their paradise, the men have virgins, and the women are given children to care for. Muslims (at least from Saudi Arabia) don't really believe women have any sexual desires. Women aren't as valued as men, and they aren't considered mature enough to do certain things (like drive) in the Middle East. In some Middle Eastern countries, women are forced to don burqas or other less restrictive head coverings, though some Muslim women want to wear head coverings (one of my Muslim friends would wear a hijab if her mom would let her). Muhammad claimed to have a revelation from Gabriel about being the 'Last Prophet'. Muslims believe that Allah revealed it because the Bible and Torah were distorted. Muhammad is probably descended from Abraham's other son, Ishmael, who God said would become a great nation too. In some ways, Islam is incredible similar to my religion, and I don't doubt that some Muslims treat their religion much the way Christians treat theirs. I debated with a Muslim, and felt like it was like looking in a distorted mirror. Some of his beliefs mirrored mine, with different names. That helps me not to feel any resentment towards Muslims, as well as the books I've read and knowing some Muslims. But I despise the religion, because it feels like a cheapo imitation of something I love, a plastic ring in place of gold. I resent the fact a lot of people have been lied to. Honestly, you'd have to force me to stop believing in Christianity to make me stop hating Islam, or at least give me some sort of proof that Muhammad's not a liar. At least if he was just a fool who had a vision, he didn't deceive a bunch of people on purpose (that's why I'm convinced that even if Jesus lied, He's not the villain Muhammad was. Who would lie for no profit? Why wouldn't He run from the soldiers if He didn't really believe what He was talking about? Who would knowingly die for a lie, especially if it seemed all was lost?). And by the way, we don't have to test every idea to know if it's bad or good. I don't read horror because I don't need that in my head, and the only book which is slightly horrific I really regret reading (It had a scene which detailed a kid being conscious, yet paralyzed and unable to feel, while doctors took hours to strip him of his body parts. They start with the blood, then the feet, and go up from there...It's called Unwind, and now whenever I think of it, I get nauseous...)
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:59 am
xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... how can america be too tolerant of different ideas? confused that's what america was founded on: Radicalism! i think that american Conservatives should remember their roots and uphold the Constitution of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, while Liberals should speak up for the Personal Rights and Freedoms that those documents stand for. we are AMERICA! we are supposed to be a Progressive, Tolerant, Safe-Haven where people can worship freely, speak freely, defend themselves, and earn an honest living from the sweat of their brows!
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:00 am
xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... What's wrong with being open to different ideas?The way I see it, ideas are like food. Some food is good for you. Too much or too little is bad. Some types are better then others and everyone needs, and some only certain people can digest (you know most of the world is lactose intolerant?). I think sometimes America gorges on ideas like it gorges on food, and some of it isn't healthy. Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good?I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. america tends to embrace more intolerance than anything else. confused and that's sad, because that's unamerican.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:03 pm
xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup xxEverBluexx brainnsoup Some ideas are bad, but how will we know which ones they are unless we listen to them and evaluate them? And besides, why are different ideas automatically bad? And why are our current ideals automatically good? I'm not saying we shouldn't evaluate ideas, or that any sort of ideas are automatically one thing or another, just that I think we're overdoing it. It seems like sometimes America embraces everything it can find, except for any sort of intolerance. Well going back to food, some people are lactose intolerant and if they say that hate milk because of that, it's fine. It's wrong to hate an idea, but if someone wants to say they hate, as an example, a religion (unrelated to it's followers) then I think that should be okay. What if I said I hated Christianity?
If a person wishes to stay in the dark and chooses not to expand the size of his pea brain, that is his own choice. But it isn't an informed opinion. I can't and won't try to ban a person's personal thoughts. Still, it is understandable to find faults with a religion. It's stupid to hate a religion.
I could possibly understand if a religion is solely based on infanticide and torturing puppies. But the truth is that all religions are trying to work towards what its people think is good. Every religion is corrupted and twisted by people. And most religions encourage a dangerous cultish level of devotion and obedience. But it is plain stupid to hate a religion. Especially one that you know nothing about. And I guarantee that anyone who claims to hate Islam doesn't understand it.*shrugs* One of my friends says God is dead. In some way I kinda prefer it when take a definite view (even if it's totally against Christianity or something I believe) because 1) they're more likely to stick to Christianity really strongly if they come to it, and 2) it says that's better in the Bible. I don't think it is. I don't understand Islam perfectly, but to tell the truth, after reading what happens to people in the Islamic nations, I hate it. Some of the men are real monsters, and some of the stories make me want to weep for the victims. I know there's evil Christians, but these people (men mainly) use this religion as an excuse to keep the power in their hands. Some of it's also misinterpretation, but not all of it is .It's not just that either. I feel like Islam twisted Christianity and Judaism and called it 'truth'. It bugs me a lot more that something I value is made less to give support to something completely different, then when it's simply hated. At least being hated is honest in a way. There's Muslims I like, Muslims I've enjoyed reading about, Muslims I'm friends with; I don't hate them in the least. But I hate the religion. Well let's start with this: Why do you hate it?
And if you don't mind me asking, what do you actually know about Islam?
I hate it because Muhammad twisted two other religions for money and power, and because they've made Jesus into one of their prophets, and also because there are verses that they use to mistreat women in the Middle East. I blame the Koran for having at least some part in the suffering there. If there were Jews who hated Christians because they think we stole from their religion, I wouldn't blame them, but at least you can't say Jesus didn't suffer for what He did. He died on a cross. Muhammad, so far as I can see, got tons of respect and riches, and not a lot of the pain. So to recap, I hate it: 1) For it's founder. 2) Because it disrespects the two religions I value most. 3) And for modern day suffering based off verses from it's holy book. 4) Oh, and it's a belief in their religion our Holy Book was distorted, which bugs me to no end. It sounds like a cop-out to me, and I don't see how any of them would know (and how would they know anything about Jesus anyway, if it developed a long time after His death?). What I know: Muhammad was the founder. Muslims have great reverence for him as the 'Last Prophet', though they don't consider him a god. Allah (which means 'god') is their only god, and they consider it a sin to have any others. They follow the Five Pillars, including a visit to Mecca and praying five times a day. Islam means 'submission'. In their paradise, the men have virgins, and the women are given children to care for. Muslims (at least from Saudi Arabia) don't really believe women have any sexual desires. Women aren't as valued as men, and they aren't considered mature enough to do certain things (like drive) in the Middle East. In some Middle Eastern countries, women are forced to don burqas or other less restrictive head coverings, though some Muslim women want to wear head coverings (one of my Muslim friends would wear a hijab if her mom would let her). Muhammad claimed to have a revelation from Gabriel about being the 'Last Prophet'. Muslims believe that Allah revealed it because the Bible and Torah were distorted. Muhammad is probably descended from Abraham's other son, Ishmael, who God said would become a great nation too. In some ways, Islam is incredible similar to my religion, and I don't doubt that some Muslims treat their religion much the way Christians treat theirs. I debated with a Muslim, and felt like it was like looking in a distorted mirror. Some of his beliefs mirrored mine, with different names. That helps me not to feel any resentment towards Muslims, as well as the books I've read and knowing some Muslims. But I despise the religion, because it feels like a cheapo imitation of something I love, a plastic ring in place of gold. I resent the fact a lot of people have been lied to. Honestly, you'd have to force me to stop believing in Christianity to make me stop hating Islam, or at least give me some sort of proof that Muhammad's not a liar. At least if he was just a fool who had a vision, he didn't deceive a bunch of people on purpose (that's why I'm convinced that even if Jesus lied, He's not the villain Muhammad was. Who would lie for no profit? Why wouldn't He run from the soldiers if He didn't really believe what He was talking about? Who would knowingly die for a lie, especially if it seemed all was lost?). And by the way, we don't have to test every idea to know if it's bad or good. I don't read horror because I don't need that in my head, and the only book which is slightly horrific I really regret reading (It had a scene which detailed a kid being conscious, yet paralyzed and unable to feel, while doctors took hours to strip him of his body parts. They start with the blood, then the feet, and go up from there...It's called Unwind, and now whenever I think of it, I get nauseous...) Why encourage people to hate an idea because they don't agree with it? Wouldn't it be a lot better to encourage people to understand the idea? Try to put themselves in the shoes of its followers? As far as Islam's treatment of women: Women are second class citizens in some portions of the world that practice Islam, no argument. But that's not the fault of the religion. Islam revolutionized the treatment of women when it originated. Before Islam, a little girl would be lucky to see her childhood, rather than murdered on the spot for the heinous crime of being born female. rolleyes Also remember that Muhammad was teaching his beliefs to basically a completely polytheistic group. He threatened businesses that entirely depended on people's belief in Pagan gods. He definitely put up with his share of persecution. Islam just doesn't teach the same submissive, turn the other cheek policy. To say that Jesus got no respect is also wrong. Even when he was alive, well, many people believed he was the son of God. I would think that he got a little positive attention. Fast forward to thousands of years in the future, people are still worshiping Him. Muhammad, however, made it clear that he was not God and worshiping him is sacrilegious. And now your list: 1) You hate Muhammad because he claimed to be God's prophet and, from any point of view that isn't Muslim, he lied. Who knows why or if he even knew, but he lied. Well... What does that say about Jesus to everyone who isn't Christian? Am I to hate Jesus for claiming to be the son of God when I don't believe that's true? 2) Muhammad claims to be God's prophet. That God spoke to him. This is something that no doubt millions of people have said over the past few thousand years. Not entirely offensive to Judaism or Christianity. Misinformed, maybe, but it's own followers claim the same thing. Jesus, however claimed to be God's son, also making him God. In Islam or Judaism, that is extremely sacrilegious and a huge no-no. 3) The idea of people twisting verses from holy texts to match their own point is nothing new. Living in a mostly Christian country (one that claims to separate church and state by the way) I can say with certainty that Christianity does it all the time. Just off of the top of my head, I can point to the dead horse called the homosexuality debate. Let's beat it, shall we? Nowhere in the Bible does it objectively say that homosexuality is wrong. And yet people still continue to twist the same few phrases without any clue of their meaning. 4) My problem with your fourth point is the same problem I had with your second point. One views the holy texts of every religion that they don't believe in as distorted. As for what they would know about Jesus... Well, you live thousands of years after His death, and you claim to know Him very, very well. Why should these people not know about Jesus? The point that I'm trying to make with all of my counter-arguments is that Christianity is equally- if not more- guilty of all of these. If those reasons are grounds for everyone who isn't a Muslim to hate Islam, they are also grounds for every non-Christian to hate Christianity even more. And is that really a productive way to think? To hate rather than understand?
If you don't show tolerance to others, how can you expect them to be tolerant of you?
And Islam isn't a horror book. Clearly that book is designed to terrify and disturb you. Taking an extra step to understand Islam before condemning it only serves to enlighten you.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:03 pm
Chieftain Twilight xxEverBluexx Shadows-shine I haven't really noticed it. I know of people who are anti-Islam, but I haven't seen America as a whole moving in that direction. I suppose though, the same could be said about all religions, different parts of America are anti-Christian, anti-Jew, etc. I haven't either. I actually think America's a little too tolerant of different ideas sometimes... how can america be too tolerant of different ideas? confused that's what america was founded on: Radicalism! i think that american Conservatives should remember their roots and uphold the Constitution of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, while Liberals should speak up for the Personal Rights and Freedoms that those documents stand for. we are AMERICA! we are supposed to be a Progressive, Tolerant, Safe-Haven where people can worship freely, speak freely, defend themselves, and earn an honest living from the sweat of their brows! We weren't all that tolerant from the beginning actually. I don't know about Muslims in American history, but we've done a lot of judging, especially based on race. I've even got some ancestors that were judged ('No Irish need apply'? I'm Irish), and I have completely European roots. African-Americans were thought of as animals at one point, and where do you think the laws against homosexuality came from? Not to mention what was thought of a girl who became pregnant. Some of them were forced to marry the guy, even the if he raped her. Even the founding fathers didn't think everyone was equal: woman didn't have equal rights, and black men were valued as 3/5 of a person. We celebrate diversity now, but once it was only the white men who had all the rights you're talking about. I'm not saying that was right, just that those rights were for one specific race and gender. I don't think America embraces intolerance more than anything else, at least not when it comes to race, sexual orientation, or religion. I could name a few different things we embrace more, like capitalism. It might just be what part of the country the both of us live in. My state's really liberal, so anyone who judges is really likely to be more judged, especially if they judge based on religion, race or sexual preference. Anyways...I really don't think it's wrong to be intolerant towards an idea, as long as you aren't being intolerant towards the people under the idea. I've actually got to say, I think people have gotten too open-minded. You can take anything too far, and that's the way I feel America is about accepting new ideas. 'Open-minded' is a compliment, 'close-minded' an insult. Well, when taken to extremes they're both bad things, but people need to have some non-negotiable convictions.
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