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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:18 pm


That's why we have goals. You can't be perfect, but the simple idea of trying to be better makes you better. You have the will and the dedication to not be evil and to care. That's what he pretty much stood for. Trying to be better.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:33 pm


ok i'm a christian, and i believe 100% in God and Jesus. So although i disagree with you guys, im not gonna start yelling and getting in your face. I didnt see the videos cuz i dont have an account on youtube, but even so, i think that what tehy say is true, but taken in the wrong way. God sent his ONLY son to earth, taking away his immortal status until he returned to heaven. he endured aver 8 hours of pain. he did it for all of us and so that we can come with him to heaven, not so he could "crush us under his feet". he only sends people away because they snet him away. half the people sent to hell are people that didnt even know him. why have a stranger come into your house? thats why i believe that i, as a christian, and all other fellow christians should go out and tell others about him. so that they dont have to go to hell and be tormented mentally and physically for the rest of eternity.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:15 pm


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Jesus....or Buddha. Those are good role models. Cause they were closer to human.


or beowulf...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:02 pm


Why have a role model at all? To have a role model is to try to be that person, basically. Life is too short to live your life as another.
Think for yourself.
What is good? What is bad? What should you do and not?
Jesus has never been a good role model, nor has any 'god' or 'deity'. Nothing 'what if' has. Why should you try to be Jesus when all he did was try to convert others to Christianity? All his miracles were for God, not for the betterment of Mankind. Jesus only wanted people to believe in his father so that they can be good, not for us to be good by our own account. It would take us to believe in a higher deity that would make humans feel bad if they were lustful, if they were angry at someone or carnal desires which were deemed 'sinful'.
Role models and the idea that trying to be that person so that you can better yourself is stupid and illogical. What if you were meant to be bad? What if that role model suddenly turned into a junkie? Would you follow the same path because you love them so much that you wanted to be -just like them-?
I suggest being yourself, using your own common sense and dignity, not trying to find someone that you can be.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:12 am


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Jesus is totally not a good role model and nothing outside of nature really is. Because do you honestly believe you can be half the man Christ was? If you can't even believe that, then he's definately not a good model. A role model is there for what you truly believe you can be, if you can never surpass such a role model then it only becomes self-destructive.


On that note, the man (Jesus) fully believed he was himself, and God at the same time. To the point where most of his 'ministry' was built upon that fact. Multiple times he claims to be God, that he can do all the things God can, etc.

How can you say 'He wasn't God, but he was a good role model', when he's also consequently a liar if you hold that view. A liar, and a fraud, responsible for leading hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people to their deaths believing in the biggest lie the world has ever seen?

Believe him, or don't, but understand what it is you claim.




Edit: I sound very anti-Christian there, and I apologize. That wasn't my intention. My intention was to point out the flaw with the 'Good role model' theory. This whole piece-meal belief system people cling to gets my temper going, and I come off very strongly. Either believe He was whom he claimed to be, or don't. But spare us the in-between crap. He left no room for that kind of thing. Make a choice.


Oh, and that goes for all the other 'Good role Models'. Picking and choosing which of their ideas you agree with, and which ones you believe are absolute bollocks only serves to invalidate their positions as 'Good role models' (because you only think that parts of what they say are good, and the rest can just be conveniently ignored) and points to the idiocy of the person holding such an untenable position.

Alas, few people recognize that little detail...
PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:23 pm


LOL funny video God was actin an a** on em

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:53 am


*is still cracking up about that video* yea man, that is... that is just perfect! god's as much of a hypocrite as his followers! "love and accept everyone!" ... "Kill all non believers!" yaaaaaay monotheism! *laughs some more*
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:08 pm


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Jesus....or Buddha. Those are good role models. Cause they were closer to human.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:09 pm


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Jesus....or Buddha. Those are good role models. Cause they were closer to human.


or beowulf...
Yup.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:54 pm


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Jesus....or Buddha. Those are good role models. Cause they were closer to human.


While I agree that if you are looking for a good role model Buddha is an excellent choice, I don't think Jesus is. Jesus claimed repeatedly to be fully God and man. That was, in effect, one of the pillars his entire ministry was built upon. Denying that He is God, or just conveniently ignoring the fact that most of His entire life was based on the premise that he is God, invalidates him as a 'good role model'. If he was who he claimed to be and you disagree, then he can't be a good role model because you disagree with His teachings. If he wasn't who he claimed to be, then he was a liar and a fraud, chiefly responsible for what must be the biggest lie in all history, and thus also ineligible for the 'good role model' position.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:01 pm


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ok i'm a christian, and i believe 100% in God and Jesus. So although i disagree with you guys, im not gonna start yelling and getting in your face. I didnt see the videos cuz i dont have an account on youtube, but even so, i think that what tehy say is true, but taken in the wrong way. God sent his ONLY son to earth, taking away his immortal status until he returned to heaven. he endured aver 8 hours of pain. he did it for all of us and so that we can come with him to heaven, not so he could "crush us under his feet". he only sends people away because they snet him away. half the people sent to hell are people that didnt even know him. why have a stranger come into your house? thats why i believe that i, as a christian, and all other fellow christians should go out and tell others about him. so that they dont have to go to hell and be tormented mentally and physically for the rest of eternity.

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I am a Roman catholic and i give you props my friend
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:12 pm


while some of you think that buddah or ghandi are good role models because of their nonviolence beliefs, think of this quote by Ghandi, "It is better to be violent if violence is in your heart, than to hide behind a cloak of impotence" The quote in a nutshell, sometiYes the only way to stop wrongdoing or violence is WITH violence.

(but i am a catholic and i do believe in J-C, but he knew that he wasnt FULLY god, but he was more like a Part of god that came to earth to release us from our sins... [you know the rest, im just too tired to type the rest right now XP] he was here to bring us together as one family of gods children and to help each other during our life. Life on earth is like a beta version of a game, it gives us a chance to practice for the real thing)

Omigosh, i typed WAY too much, sorry, i just got into a typing groove and i didnt realize it XP

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:40 pm


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while some of you think that buddah or ghandi are good role models because of their nonviolence beliefs, think of this quote by Ghandi, "It is better to be violent if violence is in your heart, than to hide behind a cloak of impotence" The quote in a nutshell, sometiYes the only way to stop wrongdoing or violence is WITH violence.


Although I feel you summarizing is abit off, I will only comment of the idea you have stumbled upon.
" Sometimes violence can only be settled is with more violence. "

Some people don't like this idea, and compare it to screwing for chastity. However, the only difference is that screwing can only take one form.

What I mean by that is that some violence can have different forms. One form would be protection of one's self using violence.

Hrm, anyway...what I'm getting at is that THAT phrase has been used to say only use violence when really needed. Don't cause violence, but only use it to defend yourself among others.
If you have the power to make change without violence, then by all means do so. That's what Martin Luther King did using the knowledge of some Indian her heard about and started using peace protesting.

Sometimes, that isn't the case. During World War 1, England was all on our a** and wouldn't leave us alone. We couldn't just ignore them and peaceful means would just cause us to be wiped out completely. We fought back. Although blood was shed, we are here today.
If bullied, you think reasoning or running away works?
Hell no.
Movies and real life can tell you the bullies always come back, they don't just suddenly stop or leave you alone.
If they make fun of you? Don't take it, talk back. Bullies aren't snitches because it's hypocritical. Plus, you talk back, it lets them know who you are and why you shouldn't mess around with them. Like me, if you have good communication and persuasive skills, it's easy to get someone off your back. Sometimes, however, they will get aggressive. Some throw the first punch. They ask for it then, that's when you should unleash everything. You have nothing to fear if they attacked first.
The reason the word sometimes is thrown in is because it implies starting violence solves nothing. That makes it happen. Fighting violence is another thing.





So why does that one quote which I suspected you accidentally misunderstood make you feel poorly about Gandhi and Buddha?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:46 pm


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Jesus....or Buddha. Those are good role models. Cause they were closer to human.


While I agree that if you are looking for a good role model Buddha is an excellent choice, I don't think Jesus is. Jesus claimed repeatedly to be fully God and man. That was, in effect, one of the pillars his entire ministry was built upon. Denying that He is God, or just conveniently ignoring the fact that most of His entire life was based on the premise that he is God, invalidates him as a 'good role model'. If he was who he claimed to be and you disagree, then he can't be a good role model because you disagree with His teachings. If he wasn't who he claimed to be, then he was a liar and a fraud, chiefly responsible for what must be the biggest lie in all history, and thus also ineligible for the 'good role model' position.
He denied himself being God yet Christianity treats him as one of the three beings that comprise the holy governing trinity.

Regardless of the lies and speculations of his existence and true form, the ideas he gave about being a better person and never putting yourself before others is what makes him a good role model. Hell, I say claim yourself to be God or his holy son all you wish, just do whatever it takes to prove you are "The Benevolent One". Do that and I'll accept you are a possibility.

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