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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:04 pm
I haven't decided yet if I am going to take my fish out of my tank. I do support the strike. My biggest problem with taking my fish out is the BG thread contest that I am participating in. GailAnne Munchkin I lost a rather dubious friend and guild owner over this. When he found out I was striking he told one of my mules to leave the guild unless I put my fish back! I quite happily did so and also removed myself and my other account from his guild. I'm sticking to my guns no matter how many idiots tell me to do otherwise! ninja I wonder if that is the guild that I just quit because of the rude announcement that he sent.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:46 pm
I just added this to post 1. It might help more people outside the usual aquarium circles get the word.
EDIT: If you have the fish strike in your sig another thing you can do to help support the strike is post around in the varoius forums so more people see it. Please note I am NOT advocating spam. I mean posting you might reasonably do anyway like joining in discussions in the various forums.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:09 pm
I've signed the petition, and removed the fish. For me its a question of paying for value. If I pay for a thing, I expect it to keep its value outside wear and tear of use. Since online pixels don't experience wear and tear, I do expect to have exactly what I paid for.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:29 pm
Dianora5 I've signed the petition, and removed the fish. For me its a question of paying for value. If I pay for a thing, I expect it to keep its value outside wear and tear of use. Since online pixels don't experience wear and tear, I do expect to have exactly what I paid for. Exactly. Elsewhere I saw reference to an off site article about Craig Sherman, CEO, Gaia Interactive. It was more talking about Gaia as a business and online purchases but in the article it makes a comparison with what Gaia is doing to other small online charges like iTunes. That comparison made me think about just the sort of thing you are saying. You don't purchase a song from iTunes and then later it turns into half a song. There are some systems where you make a timed purchase of music or a DVD but when you do that they tell you up front and charge you less accordingly.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:34 pm
And indeed, we are warned that these purchases are timed, therefore we accept that. But if this was any other purchase, I'd expect to be able to return this product for being defective, and receive a full refund. Who would we bug or contact to get one here?
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:08 pm
David2074 This is the announcement I wanted to send to the guild but had to chop short due to the 1500 character limit.As you may be aware Gaia has recently nerfed tank glow times to 50 or 60% of what they used to be. Also, at the Gaia panel at the recent Sakura-Con convention DJ Helsing said Gaia intends to nerf dolphins. A great many of us are fed up with the continual 'bait and switch' routine Gaia keeps pulling. They hype new fish and tank features, they leave things intact until they have made a lot of cash sales then they nerf the fish with excuses about needing to balance the system. Then they introduce a new fish and repeat the cycle for more cash. The positive changes are shouted from the rooftops with Announcements and front page ads. The negative changes are done on the sly with seldom ever a word said unless so many Gaians complain they feel compelled to address it. The practice is deceptive and demoralizing and many tank owners are questioning whether it is worth trying to continue second guessing Gaia's sneaky monkey tactics. I invite you to join me and many other high trigger tank owners in The Great Gaian Aquarium Strike/Petition! I encourage you to: Post in the strike thread saying you (and your mules) will participate. Remove all fish from your tank. (And make less gold?) Change your signature to inform people about the strike and why your tank is empty. Don't purchase / use any Gaia Cash during the strike. (I never use real money to purchase them anyways.) Don't buy any fish or aquarium items from MP during the strike. (but we can after the strike which won't last forever~?) EDIT: If you have the fish strike in your sig another thing you can do to help support the strike is post around in the varoius forums so more people see it. Please note I am NOT advocating spam. I mean posting you might reasonably do anyway like joining in discussions in the various forums.
I realize this may not be for everyone but I'd love to see as many of you as possible join the cause. The strike is likely to last one or two weeks. Please join us. Our goal is to make Gaia aware "how much they are alienating their customer base." I agree that we should be granted more glow times for our aquarium fishes, but I don't think earning less gold each day is going to resolve anything. From the developers and admins point of view, I think they're going to start to point and laugh at us for thinking that this method of self-sacrifice of gold is going to bring more gold back.~ The reason why I'm disagreeing with freezing our fishes is because I don't want anybody to be earning any less gold than the maximum amount of gold that they should be. It may be true that the developers may have reduced the glow times so that we earn less gold, however if we freeze our fish, then we will earn 0 gold. As a tank owner of 4 dolphin tanks, I have worked too hard and spent too many hours just for me to give up all my hard efforts and stop making gold.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:18 pm
@Sapphire: Not doing anything definitely won't accomplish anything. I'm not simply freezing my fish, I'm refusing to buy more fish with gaia cash. This isn't simply about the effects of freezing our tanks on the economy, its also a form of protest, its not like we can have a demonstration at Gaia offices. You already are earning less than the maximum gold you should be. You may have worked in game to earn the fish, but someone spent gaia cash on those fish, and when someone spends real life cash on a thing, the value therefore should be set, or have a return policy.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:36 pm
Sapphire_God I agree that we should be granted more glow times for our aquarium fishes, but I don't think earning less gold each day is going to resolve anything. From the developers and admins point of view, I think they're going to start to point and laugh at us for thinking that this method of self-sacrifice of gold is going to bring more gold back.~ The reason why I'm disagreeing with freezing our fishes is because I don't want anybody to be earning any less gold than the maximum amount of gold that they should be. It may be true that the developers may have reduced the glow times so that we earn less gold, however if we freeze our fish, then we will earn 0 gold. As a tank owner of 4 dolphin tanks, I have worked too hard and spent too many hours just for me to give up all my hard efforts and stop making gold. Of course that is your choice. I own six tanks of dolphins and I choose to take them out. It seems to me you are missing the point of the strike. All strikes involve some personal sacrifice - even in real life (especially in real life). The point is to show a unified front that tank owners are seriously upset by Gaia's actions. They won't laugh because they should understand the 'fish in freezer' thing is not the punishment, just the message. The part that would / will hurt Gaia is when the tank owners stop buying fish. The people with high trigger tanks are the ones paying the most real life cash for fish. Even if a person purchase those fish form MP it still means SOMEBODY paid gaia real cash money for that fish. Besides, you are not really losing gold by parking your fish in the freezer for a wee or two. You are just postponing it. And, if the petition succeeds and Gaia fixes the glow times (or decides not to nerf dolphins) you may be making even more gold than if we did not do this. I am participating in the strike because I feel it is the right thing to do, not because it is convenient. Or, more to the point, I hope it convinces Gaia to do the right thing. I don't really care too much about my millions in Gaia Gold. It's just electrons anyway. I DO care about feeling like I'm getting scammed which is how I feel about Gaia these days.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:00 am
@sapphire god if we put fish in barretts tank they will not age. So the gold is not really lost. Your fish will have an "extra" week of life and you can get your gold then. So the income is not lost, only postponed.
You have a point that the devs might just laugh at us but so be it. I feel so cheated that I may just quit Gaia all together. And they may laugh at that too but at least this is psychologically satisfying for me. And it MIGHT help, who knows.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:25 am
The thought is good but... I'm not taking my fish out because in all honesty, I cbf. sweatdrop (Lazy I know)
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:13 am
Not only are my fish out of the tank as of 10 min ago, but I also will not play BG or bump anyone's glow thread. And, trust me, I would normally bump ALL threads. No GC for me (which has been too much lately anyway), and no more Phen Phang purchases. I wonder if anyone has thought to contact "the" dev of the aquariums / Booty Grab.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:31 am
Keira Laoch Not only are my fish out of the tank as of 10 min ago, but I also will not play BG or bump anyone's glow thread. And, trust me, I would normally bump ALL threads. No GC for me (which has been too much lately anyway), and no more Phen Phang purchases. I wonder if anyone has thought to contact "the" dev of the aquariums / Booty Grab. Not playing BG or bumping during the strike is a good thing to add to the list in post 1. I didn't plan on playing any booty grab but I didn't think about saying it. I expect though that most people joining the strike are not going to play/bump those who didn't. My Gaia age is 270 days. Most of a year but honestly still a tad on the newbie side compared to many. During that time I have watched Gaia repeatedly pull the bait and switch routine on the aquarium stuff. I mention my Gaia age because at first I just thought it was a phase or a genuine attempt at balancing things. I have since observed the 'out of balance' is purposely created by Gaia when they want to generate more cash. Then the 'balancing phase' is done at our expense. As I've already stated in other posts I believe the same net affect could be accomplished without screwing over their customers and without making changes in secret. So while I respect that Solyna and others have a right to choose not to participate in the strike I am disappointed. As was pointed out your fish don't age in the freezer. In fact, if they don't fix the freezer glitch many fish will extend their lives during the strike. So you are simply postponing getting the Gaia gold you would have gotten. There is NOTHING on Gaia you NEED so simply not buying anything for a week or two should not be a big deal. While you don't have to join the strike, I certainly will not be playing any of your tanks during the strike. I am personally hoping you will not see very much gold gained during that week. Still, you probably will. There are too many users who do not have a clue how much time, effort and expense goes into getting a good tank and giving it high exposure. On the other hand, consider this. If EVERYONE participated in the strike and no one could booty grab any good tanks during the strike then AFTER the strike players would be 'hungry' for booty grab. You would probably get more full games the week after the strike due to a lot of people playing. Either way it is your choice but I disagree with the attitude that you can't be bothered or it doesn't really affect you. BTW, in case any one is wondering, I'm not the kind of person to retaliate on people just because someone honestly disagrees. You are still welcome in my guild, in my next booty grab thread if I make one and so on. With so many users on Gaia it is silly to expect everyone to adopt my point of view. I'm saying this because I've seen a few posts of people saying at least one guild is banning people who participate in the strike. I don't agree with that whether they are participating like I want or choosing not to participate. After all, treating people unfairly is the main reason for the strike. If I don't want Gaia to do it to me I should also try not to do it to others. One last thought. If you won't take your fish out would you consider putting a link to the strike petition in your signature? At least people could go read about the strike even if they are still playing your glows.
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:59 am
I was thinking about it, there is a down side to taking your fish out... your tank health will decrease, and although it doesn't really effect your overseer, it's a nuisance to try and get it back up to full health again...
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:50 am
Solnya......I've seen a few tanks with a single goldfish in them, just to maintain the health of the tank and to get the daily chance from the tank. Seems acceptable to me, especially since goldfish do not glow. =)
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:55 am
heart heart heart I managed to do it!! heart heart heart
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