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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:10 pm


I consider myself a polythiest no specific religious title. I question pretty much everything so my belief system is constantly evolving as I gather new information. What is important to me is self development. moving beyond the drama
that life often gives us. I wont stand on a soap box and tell people what to believe. As it isnt my place. Also I think it is somewhat silly. I am of the belief that every person has a bit of the truth. that there is no monopoly on truth.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:31 am


I don't believe in a higher being at the moment.
I also believe that a vast majority of humans need something to believe in, something that they can lean on, and thus religion was born.
If people didn't need faith in someone/something then religion wouldn't exist.
It's nothing more than faith, and cannot be scientifically proven.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:09 am


My views are somewhat unconventional....

As I tell my friends often "God is an a*****e." And that's sort of what I believe. That there is some omniscient being that can do anything they want, but they just don't want to. They sit up there and watch us all like their own personal soap opera and throw plot twists at us just to see what we do. Not that they don't care about us all in some way or another, just that they're more interested in watching then helping.

If I'm going to talk to god in any way, shape, or form, I'd do it as if I were talking to a snarky friend. I do say please and thank you when I ask for something though.

As for my religious background, I was raised on and off a conservative Jew. I was put in hebrew school twice, taken out, and put in different saturday schools on and off for most of my life. I've always been bored with religious practice, so maybe this suits me because I never have to sit through services.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:08 pm


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I don't believe in a higher being at the moment.
I also believe that a vast majority of humans need something to believe in, something that they can lean on, and thus religion was born.
If people didn't need faith in someone/something then religion wouldn't exist.
It's nothing more than faith, and cannot be scientifically proven.
As I recall, religion was used as a method of gaining control of the people. It is one of the first political engines and is still one of the strongest.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:03 pm


Im in the inbetween phase myself. i believe in something, I jsut havent labeled myself.

Personally, I think(yes my opinion) Is that if there truely is a god/goddess, then theres really just one, and that all these religinos are actually just following different faces that this being has decided to show them. Maybe there are more than one and its a group of being, but I doubt they dont know of each other if thats the case.

And yes I agree, all those religions that try to convert you are very annoying. My stepmom for a very short time was pushing me for being a Jehovah's Witness. While my self turned Jewish grandmother(who apparently changes to a new religion every few years when shes learned as much as she wants to on her current religion) never gave me info unless I wished for it. My family jokes with me that since I was raised Christian, my grandmothers jewish, stepmoms JW and my aunt believes God's a alien(her little joke, being the sci-fi fan she is) is that I should put down my religios views as confused.

Right now im looking into pagan, wiccian, ect views because they interest me and none Ive spoken to that call themselves as such ever push me to do what they do, so its nice.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:15 pm


Im pretty young, so I basically just do what my parents say... But, Im Roman Catholic. I was baptized, received reconciliation (Confession), The Eucharist (Communion) and I was just recently Confirmed as an adult in the Catholic church. I go to a Catholic Jr. High school, and I plan to go to a Catholic High school next year. I quiet enjoy being a Catholic, though I have heard some stereotypes about the Catholic Faith. Things like we worship statues, and we worship the saints as if they were gods themselves. But, thats actually not true. I dont know what other people really, deeply think of the Catholic religion, but we aren't specifically praying to the statue or to the Virgin Mary or to the saints. We pray to the saints and to Marry to pray to God with us, for us. We have statues in our church to remind us of the holy people that changed the world in their own special ways. We only worship one God, but we believe in the Holy Spirit, who is Three people in one God; God the Holy Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We as Catholics dont even understand how this is done by God, so dont ask me (a 13 year old girl) on how that works. Uh, lets see... Oh. We believe that Jesus was the son of God, conceived by the Virgin Marry and the Holy Spirit, making him true God and true man (Again, dont know how God does it. God is all powerful and can do anything he wants. More that our human brains can ever comprehend...) And, we believe that Marry (And Jesus) was conceived and born with out the Original Sin that everyone has when they are conceived in their Mother's womb. And we believe that Jesus was crucified and then rose from the dead after three day of death. And he was punished for all of our sins that we have commited and will commit so we can go to Heaven. Uh, I really dont know what else to say... If anyone want to know anything else, just ask and I will try by best as a 13 year old to try to explain to you... Im not trying to convert anyone, but I just wanted to let people know what its like to be a young Roman Catholic that has been Catholic her whole life and what she feels about her religion...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:34 pm


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Im pretty young, so I basically just do what my parents say...

This right here is exactly what is wrong with most theists in the western world. What a deeply unsettling sentiment. Until you question your religion, you are not really even a member of it. What is the age requirement for free thought? On second thought, nevermind; the church frowns on that.
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(Again, dont know how God does it. God is all powerful and can do anything he wants. More that our human brains can ever comprehend...)

Putting something above the powers of human comprehension. Even if it wasn't to escape logical fallacies, it's a fine reminder of why I left Catholicism.
Not to be hostile, but I found this... Disturbing and thought that counterpoints were needed...Desperately.
I imagine that it would upset your deity if you misspelled the name of his babymamma. It's "Mary," dear. One "r." Unless your referring to the sacrament (read "legal procedure.")
I would like you to tell the rest of us one thing, not because I don't know, but because I think you should be the one to articulate it. What is the Catholic church's stance on homosexuality? If you don't know, then I think it very important that you ask your pastor.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:46 pm


Woops... Typo... redface I was taking about Mary, the person...
And, homosexuality? Like, being Gay or Lesbian? We just talked about that in my Religion class a few days ago... My class had a lot of questions about that...
Uh, I believe the Catholic faith doesnt approve of being Homosexual. My teacher tells us it's because God didnt intend a guy and a guy or a girl and a girl to have sex. He also said sex is suppose to be holy, and that its for reproducing... So, it really shouldnt be just for the pleasant feeling....

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:29 pm


XxBlack-Magic101xX
Woops... Typo... redface I was taking about Mary, the person...
And, homosexuality? Like, being Gay or Lesbian? We just talked about that in my Religion class a few days ago... My class had a lot of questions about that...
Uh, I believe the Catholic faith doesnt approve of being Homosexual. My teacher tells us it's because God didnt intend a guy and a guy or a girl and a girl to have sex. He also said sex is suppose to be holy, and that its for reproducing... So, it really shouldnt be just for the pleasant feeling....

So what you're saying is that you believe in the church-sanctioned bigotry brought on the LGBT community by your religion and other religions like it? You, yourself support this ostracization of these people?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:32 am


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Im pretty young, so I basically just do what my parents say... But, Im Roman Catholic. I was baptized, received reconciliation (Confession), The Eucharist (Communion) and I was just recently Confirmed as an adult in the Catholic church. I go to a Catholic Jr. High school, and I plan to go to a Catholic High school next year. I quiet enjoy being a Catholic, though I have heard some stereotypes about the Catholic Faith. Things like we worship statues, and we worship the saints as if they were gods themselves. But, thats actually not true. I dont know what other people really, deeply think of the Catholic religion, but we aren't specifically praying to the statue or to the Virgin Mary or to the saints. We pray to the saints and to Marry to pray to God with us, for us. We have statues in our church to remind us of the holy people that changed the world in their own special ways. We only worship one God, but we believe in the Holy Spirit, who is Three people in one God; God the Holy Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We as Catholics dont even understand how this is done by God, so dont ask me (a 13 year old girl) on how that works. Uh, lets see... Oh. We believe that Jesus was the son of God, conceived by the Virgin Marry and the Holy Spirit, making him true God and true man (Again, dont know how God does it. God is all powerful and can do anything he wants. More that our human brains can ever comprehend...) And, we believe that Marry (And Jesus) was conceived and born with out the Original Sin that everyone has when they are conceived in their Mother's womb. And we believe that Jesus was crucified and then rose from the dead after three day of death. And he was punished for all of our sins that we have commited and will commit so we can go to Heaven. Uh, I really dont know what else to say... If anyone want to know anything else, just ask and I will try by best as a 13 year old to try to explain to you... Im not trying to convert anyone, but I just wanted to let people know what its like to be a young Roman Catholic that has been Catholic her whole life and what she feels about her religion...


I understand that these are ideas that you have grown up with.
Personally I feel you should look into your religion take a good look at it. Think about how much the morals fit in with your own personal morals. Try to see its faults and its strengths. I agree with Matasoga questioning ones religion is extremely important.
Also I think its a good idea to look at the ideas of others be it religous or philosophical. Think about those things and how and if they fit to you and how they dont and why. You life is what you choose to make it. As far as the question of homosexuality..I believe there is a saying. do not judge lest you be judged. also something to think about. not saying go off and turn on the gay button, try to remember they are people. when you make your opinion about that.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:43 pm


Matasoga
I suppose that I should also contribute to this one for the OP's research.
I believe that seeking out, locating, and unearthing deep and profound truths in life are a key part of the human experience. For those who choose to forgo this part of their existence, there is religion. This is, more or less, a process of being willingly spoon-fed things that you are meant to accept as unquestionable truths, despite no offer of any proof, whatsoever. I think Chairman Mao said it best: "Religion is poison."
There is much, much (oh so very much) more that I have to say on the topic, but it goes beyond the scope of this thread. I'll answer any questions, but that's enough for my monologue.

I think that religion is a tool for seeking out, locating and unearthing deep and profound truths in life that are part of the human experience- and like any tool, it can be misused.

I know people who are so wrapped up in empiricism that they fail to grasp greater metaphors that are important to our humanity.

Laziness and fallacy are more of a poison than religion is.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:48 pm


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Uh, I believe the Catholic faith doesnt approve of being Homosexual.
The official stance of the Roman Catholic Church is that sex outside of marriage is sinful- that marriage is about two things, the bond a couple experiences and the root from which life enters the world and that any sex outside of that falls short of the model of love and life within the Church. As a result, while being homosexual isn't a sin, wrong or anything else- having homosexual sex is considered a sin because it is outside of marriage and without those two expressions that are part of the plan in accordance with revealed Church Tradition.

The Catholic Faith affirms that Homosexuals are part of her loving family, but like anyone else they are tempted by sin and have to make choices about their life that strives for unity in accordance with God's wishes for mankind.

That's the current standard of the Catholic Church as of Pope John Paul II.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:50 pm


My mother is Roman Catholic, and my father is Baptist. My step-father is Southern Baptist (which is, contrary to popular belief, different), and my Dad's current girlfriend is atheist. His ex, which I babysit for, is Jewish. As are a large group of my friends. Of course, a large group of my friends are simply 'christian', not particularly specifying which sect they originate their beliefs from. So, I'm coming from a well-rounded background as far as religions go. And I personally believe in a higher power. For lack of better word, God.

The main problem I find with religion is that it was created to make people perfect. The problem is, nobody has the same definition of perfect. So the founder of religions aimed to create perfection in society, and as a result caused the problem of us as an imperfect people struggling to obtain what is literally impossible. Although humanity has it's bright, shining points... It has it's craters as well. So an overall perfect human society is pretty much as pure an oxymoron as you can get.

Another problem with religion is the extreme ends. As much as anything, extremists ruin things. If there's one thing humanity as a whole needs to learn, that's it. By extremists, well, there are two kinds. The WAYYY too serious about having religion, and the WAYYYY too serious about ragging on it at every opportunity and demolishing it completely. The first start Crusades and 9/11's... The other end start Holocausts and ethnic cleansing.

And for all you who say religion causes nothing but Crusades and wars, what about all the community service that's a part of most religions? The helping others for the sake of helping others? Maybe it's to save your eternal soul, but helping is helping. I'm not saying that those of you with this opinion do nothing; I'm simply suggesting that perhaps religion isn't all badness and leading sheep to slaughter. That might be how it winds up when psychos gain control. But when sensible, reasonable people are in control (again, an oxymoron), I think that religion will not only be tolerable, but even more beneficial to society than the best parts of it are today.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:03 pm


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The main problem I find with religion is that it was created to make people perfect.
Judaism and Christianity certainly don't claim this- they acknowledge and accept that people sin. In the time of the Temple, there were sin offerings and without the Temple, prayers are offered instead. Christianity has Jesus as the final offering- and prayers of acceptance act like the Jewish Prayers do. So they aren't trying to make people perfect- they're challenging them to strive to be better.

Buddhism teaches the joyful participation in the world's sorrows- but understands that attachment keeps people incarnating. Hinduism accepts that people hold different dharmas- some of which are less than pleasant.

Wicca has no strict moral code at all- at best it advises that people are free to do anything that doesn't cause harm. Thelema says that all in accordance with Will is acceptable. So- those are just a few- but the show that the statement isn't completely true.



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Another problem with religion is the extreme ends. As much as anything, extremists ruin things.
If it's extremists that ruin things, then it isn't a problem with religion, it's a problem with extremists.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:10 pm


If you continually strive to be better, would you not theoretically eventually become perfect?

Acceptance and understanding are the most difficult things religion try to teach. But think about it- if you understand and accept everything about you and your life, that's perfection. Just, instead of raising yourself to your expectations, lowering your expectations to reality. Either way.

And perfection has nothing to do with a strict moral code. And seeing as everything 'in accordance with Will' falls under the category of the founder's perception of perfection, it actually proves my statement true.

And extremists DO ruin things. The most prominent example happens to be religion. Pardon me for confusing that statement, and thank you for pointing it out.
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