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 Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:00 pm
I was born and raised Roman Catholic, but I consider myself Spiritual because I take my beliefs from many different parts of the world and different times. So I'm not sure what they would write on my passport. And I think it shouldn't matter what your religion is, and it shouldn't stop you from going somewhere you want to or have to go.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:33 pm
Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:51 pm
Call Me Apple In many Middle Eastern countries, such as KSA (Saudi Arabia) your religion is on your passport. Pakistan also requires this (as of 2005) This is done because only Muslims are permitted to Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Would you feel comfortable having your religion on your passport?
If anyone DOES live in a country where this happens, has it ever caused problems? I would not be okay with having religous beliefs on a passport. I am an atheist but I dont think that anyones beliefs or lack there of should have anything to do with legal matters. I.E Passports and Census
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:12 pm
Zslone2 Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
An how did I teach you newish? I didn't type it anywhere.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:15 pm
Call Me Apple Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... I am quite amazed you just said that. I've been on international flights many times, and none of the planes I was on had a problem. confused You should look up domestic terrorism and see how many are your average non-Muslim neighbor.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:16 pm
Wow, that seems....really ******** up. I mean, what if EVERYWHERE was like that?
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:16 pm
I would not want religion on passports. I would tell anyone who asked, but it could cause political issues. Country X denies citizen Y from country Y on grounds of religion, which can't be proven via documentation anyway. It would create even greater opportunities for discrimination and profiling. Not all Middle Eastern, Muslim men are terrorists. It would cause too many problems, imo.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:31 pm
Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
An how did I teach you newish? I didn't type it anywhere.First off the bolded part i wrote is how and second your Stereotyping anyone who is Muslim, not every Muslim man is terriost like not every Christian is Roman Catholic its a very big thing to say something like that opinion or not. Also there are terriosts in America at this very moment you read this and not all of them are Muslim or are in touch with Muslims, in fact i think a month or so ago some convicted Terriost man went to a school in Boston to give a speech about his views and such and no one could stop him because he wasn't doing anything illegal. He fought for some Liberation Anti-Government thingy and bombed Court Houses and he was in no way associated with any Muslim Terriost Groups so having say Christian (or w/e religion aside from Islam) on his passport would make no difference as to whether or not he would have a bomb on his leg in an airport. It just breed prejudice and hatred having things like all Muslims have to be thoroughly checked by security unlike everyone else. And also not everyone America is at war with there is actual fighting, We hate Communism still and yet were not killing China because of it, it just happens were "retaliating" back at Iraq even though the terriosts were from Afghanistan... Point is Saying that I'm this religion (in this case Islamic) means I'm an enemy of the United States of America I have to be thoroughly checked out in the airport while say a Roman Catholic walks onto the plane without going through the checking I went through and blows it up isn't fair to anyone of that Religion because while they were checking out me they could have realized he was a threat. (Forgive my long posts if u hate reading just this is something I feel strongly about)
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:34 pm
Aakosir Call Me Apple Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... I am quite amazed you just said that. I've been on international flights many times, and none of the planes I was on had a problem. confused You should look up domestic terrorism and see how many are your average non-Muslim neighbor. Not all terrorists do it for a religious cause... and last time I checked we are not at war with muslims... we are at war with actual terrorists... and besides profiling is illegal in this country and that is what that would be...
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:45 pm
Zslone2 Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
An how did I teach you newish? I didn't type it anywhere.First off the bolded part i wrote is how and second your Stereotyping anyone who is Muslim, not every Muslim man is terriost like not every Christian is Roman Catholic its a very big thing to say something like that opinion or not. Also there are terriosts in America at this very moment you read this and not all of them are Muslim or are in touch with Muslims, in fact i think a month or so ago some convicted Terriost man went to a school in Boston to give a speech about his views and such and no one could stop him because he wasn't doing anything illegal. He fought for some Liberation Anti-Government thingy and bombed Court Houses and he was in no way associated with any Muslim Terriost Groups so having say Christian (or w/e religion aside from Islam) on his passport would make no difference as to whether or not he would have a bomb on his leg in an airport. It just breed prejudice and hatred having things like all Muslims have to be thoroughly checked by security unlike everyone else. And also not everyone America is at war with there is actual fighting, We hate Communism still and yet were not killing China because of it, it just happens were "retaliating" back at Iraq even though the terriosts were from Afghanistan... Point is Saying that I'm this religion (in this case Islamic) means I'm an enemy of the United States of America I have to be thoroughly checked out in the airport while say a Roman Catholic walks onto the plane without going through the checking I went through and blows it up isn't fair to anyone of that Religion because while they were checking out me they could have realized he was a threat. (Forgive my long posts if u hate reading just this is something I feel strongly about)
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:14 pm
Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
An how did I teach you newish? I didn't type it anywhere.First off the bolded part i wrote is how and second your Stereotyping anyone who is Muslim, not every Muslim man is terriost like not every Christian is Roman Catholic its a very big thing to say something like that opinion or not. Also there are terriosts in America at this very moment you read this and not all of them are Muslim or are in touch with Muslims, in fact i think a month or so ago some convicted Terriost man went to a school in Boston to give a speech about his views and such and no one could stop him because he wasn't doing anything illegal. He fought for some Liberation Anti-Government thingy and bombed Court Houses and he was in no way associated with any Muslim Terriost Groups so having say Christian (or w/e religion aside from Islam) on his passport would make no difference as to whether or not he would have a bomb on his leg in an airport. It just breed prejudice and hatred having things like all Muslims have to be thoroughly checked by security unlike everyone else. And also not everyone America is at war with there is actual fighting, We hate Communism still and yet were not killing China because of it, it just happens were "retaliating" back at Iraq even though the terriosts were from Afghanistan... Point is Saying that I'm this religion (in this case Islamic) means I'm an enemy of the United States of America I have to be thoroughly checked out in the airport while say a Roman Catholic walks onto the plane without going through the checking I went through and blows it up isn't fair to anyone of that Religion because while they were checking out me they could have realized he was a threat. (Forgive my long posts if u hate reading just this is something I feel strongly about) I did read the Stereotyping post and No its different than the glass box thing a full search is usually at random unless in the case of the passport thing it would be more directed towards who that country is being prejudice too and they do a full sweep of you the glass box this is probably u had metal on u didn't know about or something of that nature or they just asked if u wanted to do it because you had something that wasn't able to go through a standard metal detector. And by your posts your Implying Muslims in the event you don't/didn't realize that. A full is different and they go through your bags to make sure nothing is dangerous and such then they let you on your merry way provided you are in order. And How do we tell with Religion who is an enemy anyway? "That man is this religion arrest him! He's a terriost!" doesn't work because religion plays no part in those kinds of personal decisions to end your life, the people who blow them selves up in the name of w/e god are stupid because that in every religion is a sin (excluding satanism i believe) and what god wants you to kill yourself along with hundreds or thousands of innocent lives? Like there just stupid idiots who are hating whatever country for whatever reasons killing leads to more killing and killing leads to loss and grief, then revenge, a temporary truce, then X years later revenge for the killings X years before. It's how killing people works in the world, Words before Action must be taken or else this world and everyone on it will hate each other over stupid things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Side Note i thought of now. What god would take you into a paradise after you just murdered X many people in cold blood?
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:25 pm
Zslone2 Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Zslone2 Aakosir Truthfully, I think having your religion on passports is a good idea. I just heard there was another attempt to take over an airplane by a terrorist. I haven't looked for details yet, but if we have religions on passports we could be notified of our enimies sooner than "I have a bomb strapped to my leg". Granted our machines take care of that stuff, but just saying. I think it would be a good and quick way to take down the terrorists. Yes, they can lie. That's another issue... Doesn't that just breed Prejudice and Discrimination? And isn't that also stereotyping Muslims since everyone seems to blame them for plane crashes? What if say Christians or Jews blew up or crashed a plane into something equivalent to one of the Towers that went down in 9/11 would u have to over check all other Christians or Jewish people? It just breed prejudice if your gonna say something like that. I personally wouldn't care if my religion was on my passport but that's just me. And Congrats u taught me a new word, newish i never knew it was a word b4 so thank you for making me type Jewish in lowercase letters allowing my spell check to say newish was an alternative to what i was attempting to spell.
An how did I teach you newish? I didn't type it anywhere.First off the bolded part i wrote is how and second your Stereotyping anyone who is Muslim, not every Muslim man is terriost like not every Christian is Roman Catholic its a very big thing to say something like that opinion or not. Also there are terriosts in America at this very moment you read this and not all of them are Muslim or are in touch with Muslims, in fact i think a month or so ago some convicted Terriost man went to a school in Boston to give a speech about his views and such and no one could stop him because he wasn't doing anything illegal. He fought for some Liberation Anti-Government thingy and bombed Court Houses and he was in no way associated with any Muslim Terriost Groups so having say Christian (or w/e religion aside from Islam) on his passport would make no difference as to whether or not he would have a bomb on his leg in an airport. It just breed prejudice and hatred having things like all Muslims have to be thoroughly checked by security unlike everyone else. And also not everyone America is at war with there is actual fighting, We hate Communism still and yet were not killing China because of it, it just happens were "retaliating" back at Iraq even though the terriosts were from Afghanistan... Point is Saying that I'm this religion (in this case Islamic) means I'm an enemy of the United States of America I have to be thoroughly checked out in the airport while say a Roman Catholic walks onto the plane without going through the checking I went through and blows it up isn't fair to anyone of that Religion because while they were checking out me they could have realized he was a threat. (Forgive my long posts if u hate reading just this is something I feel strongly about) I did read the Stereotyping post and No its different than the glass box thing a full search is usually at random unless in the case of the passport thing it would be more directed towards who that country is being prejudice too and they do a full sweep of you the glass box this is probably u had metal on u didn't know about or something of that nature or they just asked if u wanted to do it because you had something that wasn't able to go through a standard metal detector. And by your posts your Implying Muslims in the event you don't/didn't realize that. A full is different and they go through your bags to make sure nothing is dangerous and such then they let you on your merry way provided you are in order. And How do we tell with Religion who is an enemy anyway? "That man is this religion arrest him! He's a terriost!" doesn't work because religion plays no part in those kinds of personal decisions to end your life, the people who blow them selves up in the name of w/e god are stupid because that in every religion is a sin (excluding satanism i believe) and what god wants you to kill yourself along with hundreds or thousands of innocent lives? Like there just stupid idiots who are hating whatever country for whatever reasons killing leads to more killing and killing leads to loss and grief, then revenge, a temporary truce, then X years later revenge for the killings X years before. It's how killing people works in the world, Words before Action must be taken or else this world and everyone on it will hate each other over stupid things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Side Note i thought of now. What god would take you into a paradise after you just murdered X many people in cold blood?
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:11 pm
Im A Little Pea Semiremis That wouldn't be too smart, it would give us all a false sense of security because while the airport searches your average friendly Muslim the real terrorists won't be "Muslim". That type of profiling doesn't work, people are smart, they'll find someone who can easily blend in. Actually, the most troubling thing about this offer is the idea of being suspected as a terrorist for you religion. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in this world, I'm absolutely certain not even 0.0000000000001% of them aren't going to blow up a plane. You can't tag them as dangerous for religious reasons. *nods*
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:59 pm
Im A Little Pea Semiremis That wouldn't be too smart, it would give us all a false sense of security because while the airport searches your average friendly Muslim the real terrorists won't be "Muslim". That type of profiling doesn't work, people are smart, they'll find someone who can easily blend in. Actually, the most troubling thing about this offer is the idea of being suspected as a terrorist for you religion. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in this world, I'm absolutely certain not even 0.0000000000001% of them aren't going to blow up a plane. You can't tag them as dangerous for religious reasons. Isn't that one in a billion? I'm pretty sure there's more then one and a half terrorists.
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:10 pm
Personally I wouldn't mind if I had to put my religion on my passport, but I can see why some people wouldn't want it on theirs.
I also think that stereotypes can be correct (some people are more likely to do things then others), but that we have to be aware if and when we judge people. I doubt everyone is ever gonna drop all the stereotypes, but we should have them off correct information and never let them stop us from seeing the person under the stereotype.
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