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 Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:14 pm
-HardKandi- I'm 17, I'm also an atheist.
I'm super opinionated, and when I get a chance to dig my claws in I will debate with you over anything you care to mention.
I would never even consider confronting someone else’s faith.
You know what my pet peeve is?
People who assume all Young atheist's are Morons, Just because we don't believe something we can't see.
Love; Birdie That's understandable.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:19 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God.  And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science).
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:46 pm
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science). And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
I've shown disrespect for evolution as a theory. It's hard not to when people don't take you seriously because of it. I'd wouldn't disrespect an evolutionist for being one though, unless they disrespected me, or were just one because that was what everyone else believed. If you think evolution is true not because you did any real research, but because that's what everyone thinks, then there's nothing to respect about that.
God created science though. Every subject in the world is connected somehow, even if it takes a few links to get from one place to another. It's why in a family chat you can go from talking about family history, to astronomy, to why Pluto and Goofy are both dogs, but one acts like a dog, and the other is Mickey's friend. Off-topicness wouldn't exist if everything wasn't netted together. ^^
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:17 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science). And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
I've shown disrespect for evolution. It's hard not to when people don't take you seriously because of it.
God created science though. Every subject in the world is connected somehow, even if it takes a few links to get from one place to another. It's why in a family chat you can go from talking about family history, to astronomy, to why Pluto and Goofy are both dogs, but one acts like a dog, and the other is Mickey's friend. Off-topicness wouldn't exist if everything wasn't netted together. ^^
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last If you think Creation science is science than you've shown a great disrespect for what science is (I'm not sure if that's where you stand or not). Believe that evolution is wrong if you wish but recognize it as science because that's what it is. Maybe it's wrong (highly unlikely) but it is still science and it if it is wrong that needs to be proven using the scientific method which means test after test that is then put up for peer review in a scientific journal where more tests can then be done. The lack of respect for science on the part of many creation "scientists" disgusts me almost as much as their lack of respect for Gods creation does.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:58 pm
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science). And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
I've shown disrespect for evolution. It's hard not to when people don't take you seriously because of it.
God created science though. Every subject in the world is connected somehow, even if it takes a few links to get from one place to another. It's why in a family chat you can go from talking about family history, to astronomy, to why Pluto and Goofy are both dogs, but one acts like a dog, and the other is Mickey's friend. Off-topicness wouldn't exist if everything wasn't netted together. ^^
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last If you think Creation science is science than you've shown a great disrespect for what science is (I'm not sure if that's where you stand or not). Believe that evolution is wrong if you wish but recognize it as science because that's what it is. Maybe it's wrong (highly unlikely) but it is still science and it if it is wrong that needs to be proven using the scientific method which means test after test that is then put up for peer review in a scientific journal where more tests can then be done. The lack of respect for science on the part of many creation "scientists" disgusts me almost as much as their lack of respect for Gods creation does. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
The only reason it's not science is because you can't disprove it. I don't see why it matters though. I like science because it explains things but if another explanation is better, then that's what I'm going with. I don't care about what you label a topic, I just care about whether what I know flows together or not.
What do you mean?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:57 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
That annoys me too. What annoys me most is when someone automatically believes I'm not interested in science just because I'm a creationist, or that I'm brainwashed, or that it's science versus God. I love animal science (It's one of my favorite things to observe, and read about), but I haven't read anything to really convince me of evolution. Don't I have a right to love zoology, but believe creationism?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science). And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
I've shown disrespect for evolution. It's hard not to when people don't take you seriously because of it.
God created science though. Every subject in the world is connected somehow, even if it takes a few links to get from one place to another. It's why in a family chat you can go from talking about family history, to astronomy, to why Pluto and Goofy are both dogs, but one acts like a dog, and the other is Mickey's friend. Off-topicness wouldn't exist if everything wasn't netted together. ^^
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last If you think Creation science is science than you've shown a great disrespect for what science is (I'm not sure if that's where you stand or not). Believe that evolution is wrong if you wish but recognize it as science because that's what it is. Maybe it's wrong (highly unlikely) but it is still science and it if it is wrong that needs to be proven using the scientific method which means test after test that is then put up for peer review in a scientific journal where more tests can then be done. The lack of respect for science on the part of many creation "scientists" disgusts me almost as much as their lack of respect for Gods creation does. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
The only reason it's not science is because you can't disprove it. I don't see why it matters though. I like science because it explains things but if another explanation is better, then that's what I'm going with. I don't care about what you label a topic, I just care about whether what I know flows together or not.
What do you mean?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Evolution has not been dis proven if that's what you mean and science isn't about proving or disproving something because you want your way of looking at things to be the right way. It's about the facts, it's about testing the hypothesis on what those facts may be, it's about reproducing those tests, it's about submitting the results to be peer reviewed, it's about others reproducing those tests and getting the same results. That's what science is. Creation science does not follow that process and that's what makes it pseudoscience. The distinction isn't made over what is or isn't the ultimate truth, the distinction is found in the process. What was your last question in reference to? What I mean about what?
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:58 pm
xxEternallyBluexx The only reason it's not science is because you can't disprove it. I don't see why it matters though. I like science because it explains things but if another explanation is better, then that's what I'm going with. I don't care about what you label a topic, I just care about whether what I know flows together or not. Creationism offers no explanation. Evolutionary theory neatly explains why life is so diverse and how it came to be so diverse. Creationism basically boils down to one sentence - "God did it.".
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:44 pm
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis Yeah you have that right although from my perspective I find it difficult to believe that someone could love science yet show such a great disrespect for it at the same time (which I'm not saying that you do but it's the case for every creationist I've ever spoken with). I believe in creationism as a part of religion, I believe God created the world but that's not science and there is no form of Christian Science whatsoever that follows the scientific method (which is a necessity for something to be considered science). And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
I've shown disrespect for evolution. It's hard not to when people don't take you seriously because of it.
God created science though. Every subject in the world is connected somehow, even if it takes a few links to get from one place to another. It's why in a family chat you can go from talking about family history, to astronomy, to why Pluto and Goofy are both dogs, but one acts like a dog, and the other is Mickey's friend. Off-topicness wouldn't exist if everything wasn't netted together. ^^
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last If you think Creation science is science than you've shown a great disrespect for what science is (I'm not sure if that's where you stand or not). Believe that evolution is wrong if you wish but recognize it as science because that's what it is. Maybe it's wrong (highly unlikely) but it is still science and it if it is wrong that needs to be proven using the scientific method which means test after test that is then put up for peer review in a scientific journal where more tests can then be done. The lack of respect for science on the part of many creation "scientists" disgusts me almost as much as their lack of respect for Gods creation does. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
The only reason it's not science is because you can't disprove it. I don't see why it matters though. I like science because it explains things but if another explanation is better, then that's what I'm going with. I don't care about what you label a topic, I just care about whether what I know flows together or not.
What do you mean?
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Evolution has not been dis proven if that's what you mean and science isn't about proving or disproving something because you want your way of looking at things to be the right way. It's about the facts, it's about testing the hypothesis on what those facts may be, it's about reproducing those tests, it's about submitting the results to be peer reviewed, it's about others reproducing those tests and getting the same results. That's what science is. Creation science does not follow that process and that's what makes it pseudoscience. The distinction isn't made over what is or isn't the ultimate truth, the distinction is found in the process. What was your last question in reference to? What I mean about what? And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
It's been all but disproven to me, but that same evidence tends to get a different response from evolutionists. Like the similarities between certain animals; I think it's just the mark of an artist, but someone else says that's proof for one changed over time into the other. And there's still certain creatures like the platypus that are just so random, I have a hard time believing God didn't make them for a bit of a laugh xd ).
Why's the process matter so much?
What do you mean by lack of respect for science and for God's creation?
And Artto, 'God did it' is not no explanation. It shows that there's someone out there who's completely amazing, powerful, creative, and who loves us very much. What's wrong with that? It makes more sense matter that came from a random pinprick exploding formed neatly together into our universe, and then life formed through more processes we don't completely understand on a rock that just happens to be perfectly suited to it.
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:25 pm
xxEternallyBluexx And Artto, 'God did it' is not no explanation. It shows that there's someone out there who's completely amazing, powerful, creative, and who loves us very much. What's wrong with that? It makes more sense matter that came from a random pinprick exploding formed neatly together into our universe, and then life formed through more processes we don't completely understand on a rock that just happens to be perfectly suited to it. Kind of like it's so amazing a glass just happens to be perfectly shaped for the water you pour in it? And no, "God did it" doesn't make more sense. It's just as simplistic as it gets, so you don't have to think about this "random pinprick exploding" and rocks being perfectly suited for life. I'd understand your position, if the universe consisted of Earth, the Sun and the Moon, with a dome of stars over it (like people used to think it was). But the universe is a huge, mostly empty space with billions of galaxies containing trillions of stars. And we're here, on this tiny little planet orbiting a small star on an arm of a spiral galaxy, which is just one amongst billions. You'd think if a god created Earth for some special purpose, he'd make it look a bit more significant.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:38 pm
Artto xxEternallyBluexx And Artto, 'God did it' is not no explanation. It shows that there's someone out there who's completely amazing, powerful, creative, and who loves us very much. What's wrong with that? It makes more sense matter that came from a random pinprick exploding formed neatly together into our universe, and then life formed through more processes we don't completely understand on a rock that just happens to be perfectly suited to it. Kind of like it's so amazing a glass just happens to be perfectly shaped for the water you pour in it? And no, "God did it" doesn't make more sense. It's just as simplistic as it gets, so you don't have to think about this "random pinprick exploding" and rocks being perfectly suited for life. I'd understand your position, if the universe consisted of Earth, the Sun and the Moon, with a dome of stars over it (like people used to think it was). But the universe is a huge, mostly empty space with billions of galaxies containing trillions of stars. And we're here, on this tiny little planet orbiting a small star on an arm of a spiral galaxy, which is just one amongst billions. You'd think if a god created Earth for some special purpose, he'd make it look a bit more significant. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
Nah, more like a puzzle piece fitting into the spot it's made for in a thousand piece puzzle. biggrin
But I like thinking about that! It's fun reading what the evolutionists think because it makes sense the way a fairy tale makes sense. But I also like looking at creation and seeing God's fingerprints all over it. The complexity of evolution amuses me, but it's just too hole-filled. ><
Why? We aren't significant. That's why His love for us is amazing.
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:29 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx And Artto, 'God did it' is not no explanation. It shows that there's someone out there who's completely amazing, powerful, creative, and who loves us very much. What's wrong with that? It makes more sense matter that came from a random pinprick exploding formed neatly together into our universe, and then life formed through more processes we don't completely understand on a rock that just happens to be perfectly suited to it. Kind of like it's so amazing a glass just happens to be perfectly shaped for the water you pour in it? And no, "God did it" doesn't make more sense. It's just as simplistic as it gets, so you don't have to think about this "random pinprick exploding" and rocks being perfectly suited for life. I'd understand your position, if the universe consisted of Earth, the Sun and the Moon, with a dome of stars over it (like people used to think it was). But the universe is a huge, mostly empty space with billions of galaxies containing trillions of stars. And we're here, on this tiny little planet orbiting a small star on an arm of a spiral galaxy, which is just one amongst billions. You'd think if a god created Earth for some special purpose, he'd make it look a bit more significant. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
Nah, more like a puzzle piece fitting into the spot it's made for in a thousand piece puzzle. biggrin
But I like thinking about that! It's fun reading what the evolutionists think because it makes sense the way a fairy tale makes sense. But I also like looking at creation and seeing God's fingerprints all over it. The complexity of evolution amuses me, but it's just too hole-filled. ><
Why? We aren't significant. That's why His love for us is amazing.
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Don't say "evolutionists". It's not a belief system, or even one belief. It's science. And no, you can't say "well it fits therefore it was made that way". You can believe that, sure, but you can't expect it to hold up logically. How did we end up on a planet the exact right distance from the sun? Easy. Had we been closer we either wouldn't have evolved at all, or we would have evolved in an environment that was different, in which case it would be perfectly suited to us again. The water in the glass is a much better metaphor here. We fit here because we evolved here. If we were somewhere else, we'd fit there. *shrug* Honestly? Mythology fits into your "in the way a fairy tale makes sense" much, much better. I say this as a devoted theist and witch, mind. Because "a god did it" is closer to "a wizard did it" than "millions of years of mutation and natural selection did it". How is evolution hole-filled? Perhaps if we discuss it, we can iron out the problems you see therein. Don't get me wrong, I like looking at the moon and seeing my Lady's face therein. I like seeing the sun rise and feeling the power of my Lord. But damnit, evolution is fab, and in my experience those who dismiss it usually don't understand it. As a result I'd like to make sure you understand it first. Deities and evolution are not mutually exclusive.
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:07 pm
Sanguina Cruenta xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx And Artto, 'God did it' is not no explanation. It shows that there's someone out there who's completely amazing, powerful, creative, and who loves us very much. What's wrong with that? It makes more sense matter that came from a random pinprick exploding formed neatly together into our universe, and then life formed through more processes we don't completely understand on a rock that just happens to be perfectly suited to it. Kind of like it's so amazing a glass just happens to be perfectly shaped for the water you pour in it? And no, "God did it" doesn't make more sense. It's just as simplistic as it gets, so you don't have to think about this "random pinprick exploding" and rocks being perfectly suited for life. I'd understand your position, if the universe consisted of Earth, the Sun and the Moon, with a dome of stars over it (like people used to think it was). But the universe is a huge, mostly empty space with billions of galaxies containing trillions of stars. And we're here, on this tiny little planet orbiting a small star on an arm of a spiral galaxy, which is just one amongst billions. You'd think if a god created Earth for some special purpose, he'd make it look a bit more significant. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
Nah, more like a puzzle piece fitting into the spot it's made for in a thousand piece puzzle. biggrin
But I like thinking about that! It's fun reading what the evolutionists think because it makes sense the way a fairy tale makes sense. But I also like looking at creation and seeing God's fingerprints all over it. The complexity of evolution amuses me, but it's just too hole-filled. ><
Why? We aren't significant. That's why His love for us is amazing.
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last Don't say "evolutionists". It's not a belief system, or even one belief. It's science. And no, you can't say "well it fits therefore it was made that way". You can believe that, sure, but you can't expect it to hold up logically. How did we end up on a planet the exact right distance from the sun? Easy. Had we been closer we either wouldn't have evolved at all, or we would have evolved in an environment that was different, in which case it would be perfectly suited to us again. The water in the glass is a much better metaphor here. We fit here because we evolved here. If we were somewhere else, we'd fit there. *shrug* Honestly? Mythology fits into your "in the way a fairy tale makes sense" much, much better. I say this as a devoted theist and witch, mind. Because "a god did it" is closer to "a wizard did it" than "millions of years of mutation and natural selection did it". How is evolution hole-filled? Perhaps if we discuss it, we can iron out the problems you see therein. Don't get me wrong, I like looking at the moon and seeing my Lady's face therein. I like seeing the sun rise and feeling the power of my Lord. But damnit, evolution is fab, and in my experience those who dismiss it usually don't understand it. As a result I'd like to make sure you understand it first. Deities and evolution are not mutually exclusive. And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have
Well it's easier then saying 'those who support evolution'. Do you have another term I could use?
The hole there is that life couldn't evolve if all the conditions weren't as precisely correct as they are. There are no other suitable options except the world we live in. That's why the water in the glass metaphor doesn't work.
I left the questions on one of the other threads. I'll gonna go try and find them and bring them here to save myself the typing, if that's alright with you? Right off the top of my head is how the genders developed, how plant life and animals were able to evolve together to balance each out, how we had enough mutations to get the varieties of creature we have, abnormalities like the platypus, transitions from one-cell to tissue, and tissue to organ, and there was something I read once about how we don't have enough nitrogen (as evidence) in the earth's crust for the early oceans to be able to develop proteins. Now God could arrange for it to work, I suppose, but He said He did it one way, so I believe He did it that way.
Maybe they aren't, but what are you more loyal to? To tell the truth I'd rather die and find I was wrong about something because I was too loyal to the Lord, then because I wanted to believe the spotty evidence the world presented me with.
But you just can't be too sure How long this will last
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:52 pm
xxEternallyBluexx And all of us we will endure
Just like we always have The hole there is that life couldn't evolve if all the conditions weren't as precisely correct as they are. There are no other suitable options except the world we live in. That's why the water in the glass metaphor doesn't work. But you just can't be too sure How long this will lastDifferent beings adapt to their own conditions. Can I live in lava? No but certain organisms can. Scientists believe there's a very good chance of life on a moon of Jupiter. Sure they're not humanoid but it's life none the less.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:59 am
xxEternallyBluexx The hole there is that life couldn't evolve if all the conditions weren't as precisely correct as they are. There are no other suitable options except the world we live in. That's why the water in the glass metaphor doesn't work. If conditions were different, life would not evolve, or would evolve differently. Quote: Right off the top of my head is how the genders developed, how plant life and animals were able to evolve together to balance each out, how we had enough mutations to get the varieties of creature we have, abnormalities like the platypus, transitions from one-cell to tissue, and tissue to organ, and there was something I read once about how we don't have enough nitrogen (as evidence) in the earth's crust for the early oceans to be able to develop proteins. Now God could arrange for it to work, I suppose, but He said He did it one way, so I believe He did it that way. You know, you can look all these things up, but I have the feeling you don't want to. There are explanations (at least hypotheses) for most of this stuff. And it would be best if you look up explanations from the experts, cause on this forum, you'll get answers like life in lava (which as far as I know, is impossible). And what's with the platypus? How exactly is it an abnormality? Sure, it looks weird, but I don't see how it's an abnormality...
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:12 am
Artto xxEternallyBluexx The hole there is that life couldn't evolve if all the conditions weren't as precisely correct as they are. There are no other suitable options except the world we live in. That's why the water in the glass metaphor doesn't work. If conditions were different, life would not evolve, or would evolve differently. Quote: Right off the top of my head is how the genders developed, how plant life and animals were able to evolve together to balance each out, how we had enough mutations to get the varieties of creature we have, abnormalities like the platypus, transitions from one-cell to tissue, and tissue to organ, and there was something I read once about how we don't have enough nitrogen (as evidence) in the earth's crust for the early oceans to be able to develop proteins. Now God could arrange for it to work, I suppose, but He said He did it one way, so I believe He did it that way. You know, you can look all these things up, but I have the feeling you don't want to. There are explanations (at least hypotheses) for most of this stuff. And it would be best if you look up explanations from the experts, cause on this forum, you'll get answers like life in lava (which as far as I know, is impossible). And what's with the platypus? How exactly is it an abnormality? Sure, it looks weird, but I don't see how it's an abnormality... Artto, you have supported one of my pet peeves. Your argument goes both ways: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/msad16sep98_1.htmWhy is it you are willing to accept evolution, but not accept that some things can evolve in the unlikeliest of places? Isn't that contradictory to what is believed about evolution? Wouldn't those microorganisms actually exemplify your argument?
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