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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:08 pm
However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html
http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62
Plano ISD lawsuits:
http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:28 pm
I think religion should be allowed in schools, but definetely not enforced or anything like that. People should talk about what they believe so they're encouraged to think about it and make an educated choice. To tell the truth I think the public school system doesn't really teach people to think or learn, and that's what it should be for. It really teaches more organization and obedience, and while that definetely has a place in society, so does free thought, which isn't guarenteered the way the school system is worked.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:45 pm
If there's religion in schools, I think it should be limited to certain classes, and not be required. Outside of those classes, it should be educational learning only, no religion.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:57 am
What about the religious clubs? My school has about two both being Christian I believe. No other religions are really present so really if religion is going to be taught then it's probably going to be predominately Christian. If this is the case what about the other religions like Paganism? Can they really be taught in school or should we just stick with religious clubs?
Personally I think religion should only be discussed in school if it comes up otherwise who knows what will happen?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:34 am
No. If I'm in school I'm there to learn facts, not my teacher's belief. Or even another student's belief. If anyone tries to teach me their belief, I try to teach them mine which they rarely appreciate.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:53 am
If you wanna learn about Religion in school go up and ask whoever about it AFTER CLASS OR DURING LUNCH OR SOMETHING! Teachers shouldn't teach there religion unless its in a club where they'll be heard and people will want to hear it OR its just a minor phrase like this historical figure was such and such religion and it ends with that note. There shouldn't be religion taught in schools only because only the big religions would get taught. I would be pissed if my religion wasn't taught and basically only like 5-10 people in my school are Pagan (my religion) it definitely wouldn't be taught and even the teachers barely know about it so why should the religions the teachers know about only be taught. If there gonna even bother to teach religion in school then the students should put there Religion on a piece of paper and hand it in to the office or wherever the principle resides and if Buddhist and Hindu show up then they have to be taught in specific classes that are electives. You can't have the main stream religions just be taught without the other religions. If religion is to be taught all the students religions must be taught so favoritism isn't shown.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:06 am
My only issue with this is that it puts a teacher at risk for being sued, especially if the teacher in question has a specific religious bias. I could a teacher doing or saying something bigoted because of sheer ignorance or personal religious views.
As for being an elective in school great but it would just have to gloss over all the various world religions because there's way too many to go over in a one year period. Also the teacher would have to be trained to but biases aside to teach such a class. It's difficult to do but not impossible.
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:08 am
Jewpanesey Do you believe that in public schools (be they universities or high schools or whatever) teachers/professors should be allowed to TEACH (not discuss) their personal religious beliefs as fact? Why/why not? Religion as it stands is a personal faith. people will always disagree on what is fact or not so unless it is in a country where ALL people willingly accept one way as truth, it should be kept in the home.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:30 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:08 pm
Teaching the students their(the teachers) religion is silly.
Teaching the students religion in general, like the history and evolution of it, time periods, what it contributed to in society, etc.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:19 pm
Temba -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism. Which schools are forced to teach creationism in science class?
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:02 pm
Semiremis Temba -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism. Which schools are forced to teach creationism in science class? American Schools in several states. Wasn't it a federal mandate?
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:12 pm
Temba Semiremis Temba -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism. Which schools are forced to teach creationism in science class? American Schools in several states. Wasn't it a federal mandate? i doubt this as being true. When I was in High School down in Louisiana, Evolution was required to be taught. My science teacher even bitched about having to teach it because of it being against her believes. In Louisiana at least, there is standardized statewide testing that has evolution questions included to ensure that evolution is being taught in the science classes. Also Creationism is not a required belief by all of Christianity. There's only a few denomination that do require this as part. I mean Catholicism, the Anglican, the Orthodox, the Lutheran, and the Methodist accept that Evolution is a scientific fact.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:02 am
rmcdra Temba Semiremis Temba -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism. Which schools are forced to teach creationism in science class? American Schools in several states. Wasn't it a federal mandate? i doubt this as being true. When I was in High School down in Louisiana, Evolution was required to be taught. My science teacher even bitched about having to teach it because of it being against her believes. In Louisiana at least, there is standardized statewide testing that has evolution questions included to ensure that evolution is being taught in the science classes. Also Creationism is not a required belief by all of Christianity. There's only a few denomination that do require this as part. I mean Catholicism, the Anglican, the Orthodox, the Lutheran, and the Methodist accept that Evolution is a scientific fact. There are ongoing debates bout this issue. I know for a fact several states in the US have made it a requirement to teach creationism in class, paving the way for informing religion in school.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:39 am
rmcdra Temba Semiremis Temba -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden However in certain school districts it is against school policy for teachers to preach. At Plano ISD, teachers are not allowed to preach or even discuss their beliefs because it could influence their young students and the student's parents could very well sue the school. I think this was brought about either because Plano ISD has always been sued in recent years over religions and religious holidays or because of the precedent of Doe vs Sante Fe ISD. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-62.ZS.html http://www.oyez.org/cases/1990-1999/1999/1999_99_62 Plano ISD lawsuits: http://www.libertylegal.org/Media_Archives_2006_Mar20PlanoISD2.aspx http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=19738 and yet the schools are forced to teach creationism in science classes, to me that's a loop hole being used by Christianity to to impose their religion on young impressionable minds. If you can't teach religion directly, then teach it indirectly through creationism. Which schools are forced to teach creationism in science class? American Schools in several states. Wasn't it a federal mandate? i doubt this as being true. When I was in High School down in Louisiana, Evolution was required to be taught. My science teacher even bitched about having to teach it because of it being against her believes. In Louisiana at least, there is standardized statewide testing that has evolution questions included to ensure that evolution is being taught in the science classes. Also Creationism is not a required belief by all of Christianity. There's only a few denomination that do require this as part. I mean Catholicism, the Anglican, the Orthodox, the Lutheran, and the Methodist accept that Evolution is a scientific fact. Texas passed a law saying that schools have to teach creationism along with evolution now.
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