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 Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:25 pm
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Orizion I hate to be a pessimist, but even if the government made a law against abortion, people may still do it. People break the law everyday. Also, many people will be enraged towards the government for making such a law. Personally, I don't know why, but I know it's impossible to please everyone. Another thought to consider: we are human beings, right? Not former-humans, nor waiting-to-be-human, etc. In other words, I think that feti are humans. Abortion not only kills a life, it is also painful for the mother (or so I've heard).
Breaking the law isn't a good reason to keep something legal- As you mentioned, people break laws all the time. Going on this premise, if we are to legalize laws people break anyway, what is to keep us from legalizing theft or murder? And if the reason is the risk in illegal abortion, there is risk in illegal theft and illegal murder. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:25 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:52 am
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:33 pm
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divineseraph mazuac Personally, I think Abortion is personal, and I don't think the government should be involved in a matter like this... I think slave owning is personal, and the government shouldn't be involved in a matter like this... See what I did thar? I do, however, you totally switched around my words. I am not speaking of owning a person to do my chores, and when they don't do it, whipping them for their insolence, and I, claiming superiority of them... >_>
The government needs to be involved in issues when personal human beings can feel themselves being persecuted and killed. I do beleive that the Babies in the fetus are humans, but... You know, do they feel things like we do? I don't know, but I don't seem to remember or feel myself coming out of my mothers womb...
See what I did thar? >_> |
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:34 pm
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Lady Kayura divineseraph I think slave owning is personal, and the government shouldn't be involved in a matter like this... See what I did thar?
Yep. You are comparing two things that are not alike at all. So what's your point? Agreed~ [Oh! And awesome avi! ^^] |
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 am
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mazuac divineseraph mazuac Personally, I think Abortion is personal, and I don't think the government should be involved in a matter like this... I think slave owning is personal, and the government shouldn't be involved in a matter like this... See what I did thar? I do, however, you totally switched around my words. I am not speaking of owning a person to do my chores, and when they don't do it, whipping them for their insolence, and I, claiming superiority of them... >_>
The government needs to be involved in issues when personal human beings can feel themselves being persecuted and killed. I do beleive that the Babies in the fetus are humans, but... You know, do they feel things like we do? I don't know, but I don't seem to remember or feel myself coming out of my mothers womb...
See what I did thar? >_>
Human property is human property. There is a difference, but a slim one. In one case, human beings are being used to work since they aren't considered human. In the other, they are being killed because they aren't considered human.
The point is not that they can feel- Is feeling your subjugation all that matters? Then what protects people while they are in comas, or when they are asleep? If you fill a room with carbon monoxide, the sleeping person will never know. They will never knowingly be murdered and will never knowingly be harmed. Should the government step in here? And what if the government, or the society en masse, assumes that a type of person cannot feel? It was done with the black race with slavery, it was done with jews in germany, and it is done with feti today. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:24 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:03 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:23 pm
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divineseraph mazuac divineseraph mazuac Personally, I think Abortion is personal, and I don't think the government should be involved in a matter like this... I think slave owning is personal, and the government shouldn't be involved in a matter like this... See what I did thar? I do, however, you totally switched around my words. I am not speaking of owning a person to do my chores, and when they don't do it, whipping them for their insolence, and I, claiming superiority of them... >_>
The government needs to be involved in issues when personal human beings can feel themselves being persecuted and killed. I do beleive that the Babies in the fetus are humans, but... You know, do they feel things like we do? I don't know, but I don't seem to remember or feel myself coming out of my mothers womb...
See what I did thar? >_> Human property is human property. There is a difference, but a slim one. In one case, human beings are being used to work since they aren't considered human. In the other, they are being killed because they aren't considered human. The point is not that they can feel- Is feeling your subjugation all that matters? Then what protects people while they are in comas, or when they are asleep? If you fill a room with carbon monoxide, the sleeping person will never know. They will never knowingly be murdered and will never knowingly be harmed. Should the government step in here? And what if the government, or the society en masse, assumes that a type of person cannot feel? It was done with the black race with slavery, it was done with jews in germany, and it is done with feti today. Oh? A very valid point there~! ^^ I never realized that...
Anyways, as I said before, I don't think the government should be interfering in personal matters. I beleive it should be discouraging teenage pregnancies/abortions and spending more money on educating people of the effects and consequences of sex, and that condoms don't always work! But, there will always be the any people that will not listen to it...
Anyways, as for slavery, I could have sworn this was a thing about... abortion, not slavery? |
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:22 pm
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mazuac divineseraph mazuac divineseraph mazuac Personally, I think Abortion is personal, and I don't think the government should be involved in a matter like this... I think slave owning is personal, and the government shouldn't be involved in a matter like this... See what I did thar? I do, however, you totally switched around my words. I am not speaking of owning a person to do my chores, and when they don't do it, whipping them for their insolence, and I, claiming superiority of them... >_>
The government needs to be involved in issues when personal human beings can feel themselves being persecuted and killed. I do beleive that the Babies in the fetus are humans, but... You know, do they feel things like we do? I don't know, but I don't seem to remember or feel myself coming out of my mothers womb...
See what I did thar? >_> Human property is human property. There is a difference, but a slim one. In one case, human beings are being used to work since they aren't considered human. In the other, they are being killed because they aren't considered human. The point is not that they can feel- Is feeling your subjugation all that matters? Then what protects people while they are in comas, or when they are asleep? If you fill a room with carbon monoxide, the sleeping person will never know. They will never knowingly be murdered and will never knowingly be harmed. Should the government step in here? And what if the government, or the society en masse, assumes that a type of person cannot feel? It was done with the black race with slavery, it was done with jews in germany, and it is done with feti today. Oh? A very valid point there~! ^^ I never realized that...
Anyways, as I said before, I don't think the government should be interfering in personal matters. I beleive it should be discouraging teenage pregnancies/abortions and spending more money on educating people of the effects and consequences of sex, and that condoms don't always work! But, there will always be the any people that will not listen to it...
Anyways, as for slavery, I could have sworn this was a thing about... abortion, not slavery?
The government would be interfering with personal matters by illegalizing abortion no more than it interferes with personal matters by illegalizing theft or murder. It doesn't force an action, it removes a harmful option.
It is, but the justification was similar. The whole "It's not a person" and "It can't feel the way we do" reasoning came into play. Along with the "Well, it's not legally a person..." and "It's my property and my right!" arguments. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:06 am
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:19 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:47 pm
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Tarrou All well and good, but as far as the Republic is concerned, the Supreme Court's authority derives from the Constitution (and, oddly enough, itself), and therefore ultimately from the people.
Notice how you have to put "ultimately" after everything. This idea is only true in theory, and the true authority at any one time is still the Supreme Court. The people don't even control the Supreme Court. You might keep saying "ultimately" this or "ultimately" that, but that doesn't change the fact that even with a change of Congressman or president, the Supreme Court is basically controlled by death, which is the purview of God.
Quote: Whether it's power ultimately derives from God is, and must be, irrelevant.
The first amendment doesn't regulate the State governments. And since I'm not Christian, I'm not going to listen to any Supreme Court mumbo jumbo about incorporation doctrine. It's wrong.
Quote: I'm not even going to touch the biblical passages you've cited. To put it politely, I find them undemocratic.
Who said God loves democracy (actually, I bet Locke actually did say that)? He put a lot of kings in their seats as the bible tells it. |
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