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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:14 pm
WatersMoon110 McPhee I agree with what Lymelady's saying.
Honestly, even when I was pro-choice, I had trouble supporting the reasons to abort that seemed frivolous to me, and to me, that grain of doubt was really because of my feelings of empathy towards that human being who doesn't get any say in abortion, and can be killed for any reason that the mother chooses, be it gender, sexual orientation, or anything superficial like that.
Those aren't reasons to end someone's life-- not to me. Not even on the grounds of simply legally being able to. Sexual orientation? The studies they're doing to find out if there's a "gay gene" could very well lead to it in the future if there exists any genetic indicator that someone is predisposed to homosexuality. It's thinking ahead into the future, but if unwanted is unwanted, then I'm sure if it's ever possible there will be fetuses aborted because they have those indications.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:22 pm
lymelady The studies they're doing to find out if there's a "gay gene" could very well lead to it in the future if there exists any genetic indicator that someone is predisposed to homosexuality. It's thinking ahead into the future, but if unwanted is unwanted, then I'm sure if it's ever possible there will be fetuses aborted because they have those indications. It seems pretty unlikely (due to cases of identical twins where one is homosexual and the other is not) that genetics alone make someone homosexual. Anywho, I'm hoping by then some other technology will be working (like fetal transplant surgery) to render elective abortion unnecessary.
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:59 pm
WatersMoon110 lymelady The studies they're doing to find out if there's a "gay gene" could very well lead to it in the future if there exists any genetic indicator that someone is predisposed to homosexuality. It's thinking ahead into the future, but if unwanted is unwanted, then I'm sure if it's ever possible there will be fetuses aborted because they have those indications. It seems pretty unlikely (due to cases of identical twins where one is homosexual and the other is not) that genetics alone make someone homosexual. Anywho, I'm hoping by then some other technology will be working (like fetal transplant surgery) to render elective abortion unnecessary. It's genetics as well as just... chemical instinct.
Also, gay men have higher levels of estrogen than straight men, so that could likely be a possible detector for this.
I love how Lymelady knows exactly what I'm referring to with not a lot to go on.<3
I'm awaiting that fetal transplant, too.
Then it'll just be the childfree "I don't want my genetics passed on" people we have to deal with appeasing. *sigh* no one's ever happy when it comes to abortion. Laws, that is.
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:47 pm
McPhee WatersMoon110 lymelady The studies they're doing to find out if there's a "gay gene" could very well lead to it in the future if there exists any genetic indicator that someone is predisposed to homosexuality. It's thinking ahead into the future, but if unwanted is unwanted, then I'm sure if it's ever possible there will be fetuses aborted because they have those indications. It seems pretty unlikely (due to cases of identical twins where one is homosexual and the other is not) that genetics alone make someone homosexual. Anywho, I'm hoping by then some other technology will be working (like fetal transplant surgery) to render elective abortion unnecessary. It's genetics as well as just... chemical instinct.
Also, gay men have higher levels of estrogen than straight men, so that could likely be a possible detector for this.
I love how Lymelady knows exactly what I'm referring to with not a lot to go on.<3
I'm awaiting that fetal transplant, too.
Then it'll just be the childfree "I don't want my genetics passed on" people we have to deal with appeasing. *sigh* no one's ever happy when it comes to abortion. Laws, that is.Genetics and environment, I agree. There's so much that goes into attraction, I feel, for it to be just one or just the other. I'm rather excited about finding out more, because it's so interesting. Lymelady is just so intelligent, I don't know what the Guild would do with her! Childfree people need to just be allowed to sterilize themselves at 18. Then everyone else can do fetal transplant (imagine how happy sterile couples will be, being able to adopt a pregnancy!) and we can all be less unhappy about the laws, at least. *grin*
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:12 am
¨*:·.♥.·:*¨Honestly...I'm torn.
As a pro-choicer, I want to stick to the purely cold, objective, non-emotional, non-biased response. It's true, unwanted is unwanted, and it's not for me to agree with the reasons of the woman aborting.
However, I'll be honest, it makes me queasy just thinking about it. I think it's wrong. Not even for some sacred, tangible reason. I just plain don't like it. And it hurts my heart to imagine someone doing that.
Doesn't leave me in a very good place, I suppose.
I would be very questionable of the mental capacity of someone willing to do that, as well. D:
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:08 pm
I think what's reprehensible is the way people are conditioned to believe they NEED sex-selective abortions when they wouldn't otherwise want an abortion. A family that wants a child shouldn't feel forced to abort a pregnancy just because they'd give birth to a baby girl and she'd be worth less to them.
But I can see giant culture wars coming out of these discussions, so yeah. I think abortions should be legal, even sex selective ones, but I wish people didn't feel they needed them or else the world would end. That goes for all abortions, I guess.
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:25 am
I am a feminist! Women should be alowed to do anything they like with their body! Women should be respected! Sexism is evil! Oh wait...is your baby a girl? Oh, you should totally abort it! Lolz!
What do you mean hypocritical? She should totally abort the baby and have a boy instead!
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:19 pm
Considering that gender is not at all something you can control in the womb (and something that most parents wouldn't dream of controlling outside of the womb)... its pretty silly to abort for that reason.
From where I'm coming from, if your baby is a *unwanted gender* now but you want a baby, even if you abort there's still a good chance that you will go through it all over again the next time you are pregnant so it would be an on-going problem.
And considering that you usually don't find out a baby's gender until ultrasounds are performed in the 2nd trimester, it puts you either in dangerous territory of late-term abortions OR just shelling out the extra dough to get tests (like amniocentesis) performed early on.
So it just seems lose/lose/lose to me, especially compared to selective adoption. And, hey, if you've got the cash for the testing needed and abortion service needed, then you've got the cash to adopt. You clearly don't want to bring another "unwanted" child into the world, right? So what would stop you from cutting back on the "surplus" and adopting someone in the system that suits your gender needs?
One other thing bothers me about this entire thing. The desire to have a child. The want of having a baby (of one's own) doesn't connect, in my mind, to "I'm going to get rid of it if its not a *desired gender*" ESPECIALLY in this day and age where gender stigmata has decreased so dramatically in most developed countries so that it really shouldn't matter.
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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 6:28 pm
Kasumi Ocada Considering that gender is not at all something you can control in the womb (and something that most parents wouldn't dream of controlling outside of the womb)... its pretty silly to abort for that reason. From where I'm coming from, if your baby is a *unwanted gender* now but you want a baby, even if you abort there's still a good chance that you will go through it all over again the next time you are pregnant so it would be an on-going problem. And considering that you usually don't find out a baby's gender until ultrasounds are performed in the 2nd trimester, it puts you either in dangerous territory of late-term abortions OR just shelling out the extra dough to get tests (like amniocentesis) performed early on. So it just seems lose/lose/lose to me, especially compared to selective adoption. And, hey, if you've got the cash for the testing needed and abortion service needed, then you've got the cash to adopt. You clearly don't want to bring another "unwanted" child into the world, right? So what would stop you from cutting back on the "surplus" and adopting someone in the system that suits your gender needs? One other thing bothers me about this entire thing. The desire to have a child. The want of having a baby (of one's own) doesn't connect, in my mind, to "I'm going to get rid of it if its not a *desired gender*" ESPECIALLY in this day and age where gender stigmata has decreased so dramatically in most developed countries so that it really shouldn't matter. Well said. How caring can you be if you want a child, yet at the same time have no qualms about killing it if it's not what you want it to be, even on a biological level? What if the thing comes out homosexual, or wants to play football instead of dance in the play? How can you consider yourself a caring person if you'd kill your child over it's gender?
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:10 pm
I'm pro-choice, and part of me wants to say, like Tiadaria, that if the woman wants to abort, whatever the reason, she should be able to.
But, at the same time, it kind of sickens me that someone would do that. If your ONLY reason for wanting to abort is that you want a baby of a different gender... that's pretty disgusting. Give the poor child up for adoption. You were willing to go through pregnancy for a child anyway, does gender matter that much?
I don't know. It feels wrong to judge people's reasons for aborting. But I feel like sex-selective abortion is just going to far.
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