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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:57 pm


This forum needs a new topic!

So I was cruising through the ED, and along comes a thread about sex-selective abortions. Most of the people in the thread appear to have no problem with such.

To quote some in the thread "unwanted is unwanted is unwanted is unwanted", which to me, sums up the redundancy in the arguments FOR sex-selective abortions. I mean, really can I see any justification for this?

I mean, yeah, you can abort for that reason if you want, but think about what that kind of a decision means? It's one of the more petty reasons for women to choose abortion, if you ask me.

I know you guys can think of some good stuff to explain to me why people can so easily accept this.

So, are sex-selective abortions Okay?
Just justifiable through legal choice?
Reprehensible?

You tell me.
PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:06 am


Maybe it's just because we're pro-life that we find such a thing completely disgusting? I dunno, I mean to us abortion isn't really justifiable electively anyway, and so to us I suppose the thought is more, what a ridiculous reason to get an abortion.

Whereas a pro-choice person, if they had no problem with someone getting an abortion because they don't want to get stretchmarks, why would they have a problem with someone getting an abortion because of the gender? I mean I'm sure some of them don't like the idea, because it's inherently sexist, but I'm making generalizations here.

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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:06 pm


I think that's horrible and even a worse reason to abort.

The unborn child can't help what gender it will be and I can't think of one good reason for someone to abort their child cause of it's gender.

I agree with Jabberwock that it's sexist but some people would support abortion no matter the reason may be.

I don't think it's justifiable at all, law or no law it just seems wrong. This is one reason why China is having problems and soon there won't enough women there which can be a problem for men if they want to date or get married someday.
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:27 pm


If you go by the argument that women NEEEEEEEEED legal abortion because being pregnant is so traumatic and everyone hates pregnant women and teenage girls always abuse their children and the adoption system is overcrowded....

The argument for sex-selective abortion fails. Carrying a girl to term isn't any more difficult than carrying a boy to term. Girls aren't harder to raise (at least not by much), they don't eat more, they don't breathe more, and if your parents are going to kill you for being pregnant with a girl, they're probably going to kill you for being pregnant with a boy.

The only reason why sex-selective abortion would be allowable is because "it's living in my body and I'll kill it if I want to."

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:07 pm


Personally, I don't think that the gender of an unborn human is a "good" reason to get an abortion. But, because I believe that abortion is legal/ethical because of the right to bodily integrity, I feel that any sort of elective abortion before medical viability (when there is an option to possibly remove the unborn human without resulting in its death) is ethical.

I wouldn't do it, and I might even think less of someone who told me they did it. Sure, I would like to have a girl, but I'd be just as happy with a boy, when we are ready to have a baby.

I think that if someone has to have a certain gender of child, they should adopt rather than try to have biological children of that gender.
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:56 pm


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Personally, I don't think that the gender of an unborn human is a "good" reason to get an abortion. But, because I believe that abortion is legal/ethical because of the right to bodily integrity, I feel that any sort of elective abortion before medical viability (when there is an option to possibly remove the unborn human without resulting in its death) is ethical.

I wouldn't do it, and I might even think less of someone who told me they did it. Sure, I would like to have a girl, but I'd be just as happy with a boy, when we are ready to have a baby.

I think that if someone has to have a certain gender of child, they should adopt rather than try to have biological children of that gender.

See, your justification makes a little bit more sense to me than what I was seeing. I don't see it as a good reason at all for an abortion, whereas I can see how there are arguments to support getting an abortion for financial reasons (or physical) even if I may not agree with them.

But to me, if people are going to say "Abortion isn't easy", and then abort for a facile reason such as that, it puts it in a different light for me.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:27 am


WatersMoon110
I think that if someone has to have a certain gender of child, they should adopt rather than try to have biological children of that gender.


The first child I adopt, I'll probably specify a girl, just because I have a younger sister, but the most experience I have with boys is a younger cousin, for whom I never even babysat. I'm not sure either why anyone would put themselves through the difficulty of getting pregnant and having abortions when they could just pick out a baby of their preferred gender.

I think in a gender-blind world, everyone would have the same response as my dad did when asked "are you hoping for a boy or a girl?"

"Yes."
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:35 pm


Epic answer. They must have been like "Hax"

Seriously though, something about aborting for something so trivial as gender just seems... terrible. It's like saying that one gender or the other is flawed- I mean, inconvenience is bad enough of a reason to kill, but because of gender? Because it's not a blue eyed, yellow-haired aryan?

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:56 pm


La Veuve Zin
I think in a gender-blind world, everyone would have the same response as my dad did when asked "are you hoping for a boy or a girl?"

"Yes."
Wonderful!
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:12 am


WatersMoon110
Personally, I don't think that the gender of an unborn human is a "good" reason to get an abortion. But, because I believe that abortion is legal/ethical because of the right to bodily integrity, I feel that any sort of elective abortion before medical viability (when there is an option to possibly remove the unborn human without resulting in its death) is ethical.

I wouldn't do it, and I might even think less of someone who told me they did it. Sure, I would like to have a girl, but I'd be just as happy with a boy, when we are ready to have a baby.

I think that if someone has to have a certain gender of child, they should adopt rather than try to have biological children of that gender.


I tend to agree with this. I think there are good reasons and bad reasons to abort, but it's the choice that matters to me.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:40 pm


My husband and I wanted a girl SO badly. When we found out Brandon was a boy, we were literally devastated. Literally. I cried for a couple of weeks. It seems silly in retrospect, but we were SO looking forwards to a baby girl.

We didn't abort. We kept Brandon, and are completely happy to have a son. Aborting because of gender isn't something that we'd do. Aborting for some other reason (really bad physical deformities, mental disabilities, etc), well, we're still not really sure where we stand.

Still, I would support someone's choice to abort because of gender. While it's not something that *I* would do, I still feel that 'unwanted is unwanted'. (Although that wasn't me in the thread XD)

If the parents simply aren't going to love the child as much, simply based on something as arbitrary as gender, then I really would prefer the child to never have existed, then to go into the 'system' knowing that Mommy and Daddy wanted a girl/boy and so didn't want you based on something that you couldn't change anyways.
PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:32 pm


Except that the child does exist, just not long enough to recognize that his or her parents are disappointed he or she isn't "the right gender."

I mean, honestly, I find that sexism towards your own children is a disturbing reason to abort, but if I was pro-choice I'd support it. Of course there's one reason I could never be pro-choice, because it entails supporting that sort of active discrimination.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:00 pm


Lady Miyo
My husband and I wanted a girl SO badly. When we found out Brandon was a boy, we were literally devastated. Literally. I cried for a couple of weeks. It seems silly in retrospect, but we were SO looking forwards to a baby girl.

We didn't abort. We kept Brandon, and are completely happy to have a son. Aborting because of gender isn't something that we'd do. Aborting for some other reason (really bad physical deformities, mental disabilities, etc), well, we're still not really sure where we stand.

Still, I would support someone's choice to abort because of gender. While it's not something that *I* would do, I still feel that 'unwanted is unwanted'. (Although that wasn't me in the thread XD)

If the parents simply aren't going to love the child as much, simply based on something as arbitrary as gender, then I really would prefer the child to never have existed, then to go into the 'system' knowing that Mommy and Daddy wanted a girl/boy and so didn't want you based on something that you couldn't change anyways.


Then they can give it up to someone that does want it. Gender is no reason to take a life in my opinon (I can understand serious phyiscal health problems though).
Even if I were to support or agree with abortions (outside of health problems), I'd still think that is a bad idea just because of the fact it's sexism.
The child does exist, even if it's unborn (must at least be around second trimester in order to have known it's gender).
PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:01 am


I agree with what Lymelady's saying.

Honestly, even when I was pro-choice, I had trouble supporting the reasons to abort that seemed frivolous to me, and to me, that grain of doubt was really because of my feelings of empathy towards that human being who doesn't get any say in abortion, and can be killed for any reason that the mother chooses, be it gender, sexual orientation, or anything superficial like that.

Those aren't reasons to end someone's life-- not to me. Not even on the grounds of simply legally being able to.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:32 pm


McPhee
I agree with what Lymelady's saying.

Honestly, even when I was pro-choice, I had trouble supporting the reasons to abort that seemed frivolous to me, and to me, that grain of doubt was really because of my feelings of empathy towards that human being who doesn't get any say in abortion, and can be killed for any reason that the mother chooses, be it gender, sexual orientation, or anything superficial like that.

Those aren't reasons to end someone's life-- not to me. Not even on the grounds of simply legally being able to.
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