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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:35 pm


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Dearest Sweetheart
Nurge
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Nurge brought up an Ice Age. How could the MELTING glaciers -if any- cause GROWING glaciers in another part of the world? Im sorry, but this just seems completely illogical to me.


It's a simple calculation:

The glaciers of greenland do not contain salt, but the oceanic current from mexico does, the water is "heavy" because of the salt and walks along underwater canyons. That current is very important to northen europes climate, because it heats up the northern sea. Now the glaciers in greenland are melting, so the "heavy" water gets lighter, because the amount of water raises, but not the salt, it's the same with a drink you stretch with water. That scenery would lead to a derailing of it europes temperature supply. When the currents from mexico fall out, permafrost will come.

On the other hand global warming has something good, states like russia or china, having a lot of territory unused, because of the climate. Russia for example could use regions like Siberia for aggriculture, oilrigging and a lot of other industrial things.


That is part of it, but another part of it is the Gulf Stream. If the Greenland glaciers melted, it would add water to the Gulf Stream, making England, the eastern US, and bits of Mexico go into an Ice Age. By the way, I brought up the Ice age.

To fight back against your comments, the last generation has been willfully polluting the air. I understand it won't refresh the Ozone unless it continues for thousands of years, but if we change our habits now, global warming will halt and begin to fix itself.

-DEAREST SWEETHEART


Did you know that the glaciers that have said to have been melting have only affected the levels in the ocean by INCHES? And how, then, could one, maybe two inches of water send half a contenent [put together] into an Ice Age?

The last generation may not have known that the pollutents would pollute the air. Did the first person to add vinegar and baking soday together know it would explode? I see no way they could have known untill it was too late. And if they had not made the cars to begin with, then most people would not be able to get to work, school, families houses, and we would not be working on actually good cars for the environment. So yes, they did pollute the earth, but it has been a good thing, even though one part turned for the worse
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Have you watched the move "Six Degrees can change the World"? It describes the effect that Global Warming may have on our enviroment. Deserts in places, floods in others. When thinking of the melting of glaciers, you must account for the ones supplying water to other sections of the globe. Put together, they could raise the ocean a few feet higher. And then add the water from the rivers that would dry up. Imagine the Amazon drying up. Where would that water go? To the oceans. We, as the world, have to stop global warming. I have gotten my information from multiple recources. Most scientists agree that it is real. SO FACE IT ALREADY!

~Dearest Sweetheart~
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:34 pm


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From what I have read, the earth goes through cycles of warming and ice age. It has happened many times in the history of our planet, and I doubt there is anything we can do to stop that cycle. It is what killed off the dinosaurs, it is what killed off the neandertals. I will grant, human beings as a whole have been poor stewards of the planet and we have been rushing ourselves to the next Ice Age, bringing us closer to our demise that much sooner, but it is also something we can not stop. It is a foregone conclusion.

This is not to say we should simply give up and let the world as we know it end. I believe whatever we can do to clean up the planet, we should do. If for nothing else than to keep the planet as survivable as possible for as long as possible. But an Ice Age is coming, there is no stopping it, but I'm sure we will survive it as a race, we have once before.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:20 am


Dearest Sweetheart
Global Warming IS real. And there's no avoiding it. The past generations will have ruined OUR planet before we can lay a claim upon it. All it is is common sense. OF COURSE releasing gases into the atmosphere is going to harm it. OF COURSE factory chemicals are going to harm the atmosphere.

My question is WHY did the past generations choose to ruin something that would someday be their children's and their grand children's. They ALL knew that this would be a consequence.

So, sadly, it is up to us, this new generation coming at the start of a new century millennium. We can do all sorts of things with the sciences we have today, and those talented in science should devote themselves to finding ways to fix previous generations' pollution issues. Those talented in writing, art, or are natural speakers should spread awareness. Those talented in Mathematics should calculate pollution amounts so that we can show improvement as an incentive. Those talented in History should compare this to previous crisis's, such as the Ice Age or Hurricane Katrina. People with ALL talents will be needed, and that is why we have been unsuccessful so far. People with minor talents believe that they are no help, for truly, they are. Someone good at repairing things can help to install those new pollution free engines.

Adults are being stupid. Even I, a 14 year old, can see possible ways to fix our enviroment.


No dearest they didnt know of the consequences this has been likely to happen since the world was created. HOW would they know that the world would become under so much strain of global warming if they didnt even know of things such as illnesses, etc. They did not know enough to know what would happen, all it is was our development through time. It has been happening for years. The world can't take anymore of it. We can't blame it on past generations.
Science and factories and what not have caused global warming we're developing too quickly now look. We can't blame everyone else for silly mistakes. It's the whole world everbodies fault past and present, theres no denying what has been caused now, and even if people recycle and stop production we would die out any way. We just need to take it as it comes and to help prevent it coming sooner than it should.
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:28 am


Global Warming is more of a political issue that is broadcast during election years to draw more voters over to the Democrat candidate.

There is actaully evidence that suggests that if we were able to simply cut our fossil fuel consumption in half that the hole in the ozone would heal itself at a faster rate than it is now.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:19 am


I don't think that it's necessarily caused by fossil fuels. Couldn't it just be part of the natural cycle that's been happening for millions of years? What makes it so certainly human involvement?

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Some evidence suggests that changes are entirely natural. Besides, I thought that the whole idea of global warming started when Margaret Thatcher, who didn't trust the monopoly the middle east had on oil, paid a group of scientists to come up with evidence to support a lone scientist's idea to advocate nuclear technology and started a nationwide campaign which spread. But can you ever trust a campaign that started off as purely political?
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:08 am


Global warming is a significant increase in the Earth's climatic temperature over a relatively short period of time as a result of the activities of humans.

­ In specific terms, an increase of 1 or more degrees Celsius in a period of one hundred to two hundred years would be considered global warming. Over the course of a single century, an increase of even 0.4 degrees Celsius would be significant. (howstuffworks.com)

It can take thousands of years for the earth's average temperature to rise one degree. Because it has happened so quickly since the Industrial Revolution, it is safe to say that the increase in greenhouse gases produced by humans is the cause of the increase in temperature at this time.

The question is whether this increase in global temperature is harmful. This is not an easy one to answer. Earth's climate is so complex, it is difficult to predict what will happen as temperatures rise. It is true that even 1 degree of change is significant. During the last Ice Age, average global temperatures were only 5 degrees Celsius cooler than they are now. If a 5 degree difference can cause an Ice Age, 1 degree can cause plenty of changes. However, change is not necessarily bad. The earth is pretty adaptable. Changes in temperature could destroy current ecosystems, but that doesn't mean there won't be new ones to take their place. Humans are most concerned with how global warming will effect their own survival. Personally, I don't think we're in much danger of extinction any time soon. We are also pretty adaptable. We may lose large populations to flooding, storms, and droughts, but as a species, we will survive or evolve.

If we are being compassionate and are concerned about the individuals who will suffer as a result of global warming, then we can view it as harmful and will want to do something about it.

It is not possible to completely stop the natural warming trend. However, it is possible for humans to reduce our effect on speeding up the process. Changing national policy may not be feasible at this time, but we can at least do our part individually by following the three "R's":

Reduce
Recycle
Reuse

This mantra has been around at least since I was in Kindergarten in the early 1980's, and it is still the best way to help reduce greenhouse gases and our effect on the climate.

Kachan36


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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:15 am


I'm confused as to the existance of Global Warming.
There is a lot of evidence that proves it may be real.
However, maybe the reason everything is happening the way it is is because the Earth's orbit thing slowly moves closer to the sun every once in a while.
I forgot how much the period of time is, but the Earth is somehow moving closer to the sun.
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:34 pm


"waste" not "waist".

and carbon credits do not cost you anything, they are part of the private economy, not government.

the word "warming" confuses us if we have a cold winter or something, but it is about the GLOBE and not just where we're at. ...so id the icecaps melt, it sends more ice around the oceans and might temporarily cool some areas, like ice cubes in a drink...but it's all because of melting, which is because of warming.

most of the sites which poo-poo climate change are straw men, fronts for Exxon.
http://tumeke.blogspot.com/2006/11/climate-deniers-liars-for-big-oil.html
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/05/battle_of_the_c.php
http://www.truthout.org/article/george-monbiot-the-denial-industry
http://infohack.newsvine.com/_news/2008/05/01/1463632-the-fake-list-of-500-scientists-who-doubt-global-warming-

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:18 pm


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I think that global warming is very real, but that's just my opinion. It's something that is a problem for everyone and there isn't much to do to actually stop it. We can only slow down the process. We could produce less crabon dioxide and other green house gases that are a huge factor. If we could just stop over populating the world and destroying ecosystems then it would help. As we cut down trees, the carbon dioxide that is within the trees get released into the atmosphere along with all the other gases that we produce. We need to find a way to produce less of the green house gases or find inventive ways that would use them in order to benifit us. I read in the New York Times once that there was a group of scientist that wanted to use crabon dioxide and have it go through this complicated process in which it would then be converted into fuel for airplanes and cars. I mean it seems like a great idea because then instead of having producing and containing that gas it could be converted into fuel except it would need lots of energy and we would have to have nuclear power plants, then there would be the issue with nuclear waste.

It just seems like it's a horrible cycle..and maybe it was meant to be. Like the Earth was meant to go on this course. Global warming I guess is hard to comprehend sometimes because maybe this was supposed to happen or maybe we really did mess with mother nature a little too much and we just have to pay the price. User Image


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:31 pm


I do not believe in global warming.
B/c of my religon.(Christianity.)
I think the world will end in one way.

But, there is still proof that 'global warming' 'exists'.
But, maybe its not 'global warming', it could be something else.
Theory of mine:
Possible this whole 'global warming' thing is a Government scam. Have any of you been in outer space and seen this changes?
I thing the ozone layers are very strong, adn can hold up all this pollution. All this heat can just be the world evoling maybe.

But, I really do not know, thats my point of view. I may just be in totally doubt.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:51 pm


GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM BY ALL THOSE STUCK-UP ENVIRONMENTALISTS TO TRY TO GET US TO USE RENEWABLE ENERGY AND MAYBE NOT USE THE CAR WHEN YOU LIVE TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE GROCERY STORE.

/sarcasm.

I can't think of a single good reason not to "believe" in global warming. It's true, it's fact. There's evidence. Glacier's don't melt on their own.

@ The_Witching_Hour:
Why would the government possibly want to scam us into this? And, so far as I can tell, the government has done little to enforce cleaner energy laws, it's the scientists and activists who are trying to warn us. Also, planets don't evolve. That's just not how evolution works, honey. Planets change, but they don't "evolve". Could you please explain what you mean by saying, "I thing the ozone layers are very strong, adn can hold up all this pollution", because I honestly don't know what you're trying to say with that sentence.

@ Blood Stained Shadows
It is a horrible process, but I think it was kindof our fault. Tens of thousands of factories running eighteen hours a day for about a hundred and fifty years now, it adds up. I think, in order to help diminish global warming, we need to use less energy and use sources such as solar, wind, and hydro power. And in my opinion, using less energy means driving less and having our government commit to improving the public transportation system.

@ cheesiejo
Could you please explain to me what carbon credits are? /feels uninformed

@ The Twizzler
I've never heard anything about that "Earth moving closer to the sun" thing before.

@ Kachan36
Humans may be able to adapt to a severely changed climate, but what about the other animals? Do they deserve to be exterminated because of human folly and carelessness? I agree that we can each do our own part individually, but I do not think it is too soon for government action to be taken place.

@ afterdark_angel
I'm not going to argue about your thought that global warming is part of a cycle or whatever, that's what I'm talking about with everybody else. smile I've never heard of the Margerate Thatcher thing, but it sounds suspiciously like a silly conspiracy theory to me. Also, even if global warming is part of a "cycle", is it really a bad thing to rely less on a dwindling source of fuel?

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:02 am


It really pains me to see people backing up what they believe with historical inaccuracies or horrible comparisons.

The earth is something that is very hard to understand. that along with the effect of the sun etc on the earth leads to a lot of questions and theories.

Historically speaking the earth has gone through a great many changes in temperature. These could be due to many things, such as the shifting of plates causing the flow of the ocean and seas to be altered thus resulting in the temperature changing in the places where the flow of currents has changed.

also historically speaking, there have been many times where the temperature has spiked one way or another. a good example of this is a time commonly referred to as "the little ice age". basically there was a time of warm temperatures and then there was a drop in temperature that was seen quite well due to the longer winters, less of a growing season, etc etc. most research is trying to link this little ice age to solar or volcanic activity.

really and truly ever since humans have walked the earth, and probably even before then, there has been drastically changing temperatures on the earth. You can link human migrations and glacial movements even. So even though we are now part of the reason i think that we can also be part of the solution.

I think that it's rather cowardly to blame past generations, since it's not like they set out with the goal of making the atmosphere look like swiss cheese. our ancestors were trying to make life better for us, their future generations.

something like global warming is hard to really grasp onto and a hard thing to study and come up with hard evidence about anything since it's a pretty broad topic. There are a lot of things to take into account and when we don't have a very long record of historical weather conditions it's hard say for sure if it's a phase the earth goes through or our own fault. in either case i'm rather doubtful that we'll find significant data to back up any sort of theory since there are so many things that we don't know.

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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:10 pm


I agree with Ryoruki's comment that it is cowardly to blame other generations. Though they do share some of the blame, so do we. We probably added more to the pollution than past generations did because there's more of us. biggrin
PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:46 pm


Global warming is real, however natural. Yes, human activity is influencing this change, but at a small degree. Maybe a tip for the environmentalists: measure the glacier size and density at the same season as the previous year.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:47 pm


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Ultra Sarah:
Well of course it's our fault. I never said it wasn't. I mean it's hard to say that we didn't have a role in this. We use so much energy and fuels that destoy what's around us. It's only getting worse because there are more people coming into the world each day. It would be practically impossible to really do much at this point. You can only use certain solutions that would help SLOW down global warming..but it's still going to be there, it just wouldn't be so rapid.
Yea using less energy would obviously mean using more public transportation and maybe not having every light on in the house, or just small things like using the computer less..or I don't know whatever would save some energy. User Image


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