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 Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:44 pm
i didnt know where to put this, so if we're intellegent, lets figure this out. lets keep AWAY from who caused this. this is going to open a whole can of worms and im ready for it...
Real/Not Real?
Harmful/Not Harmful?
What can we do to help?
How will those help?
things like this. i know that buying Al Gore's 'carbon credits' isnt going to do much. what can they do other then raise taxes and waist our money?
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:43 pm
Global Warming IS real. And there's no avoiding it. The past generations will have ruined OUR planet before we can lay a claim upon it. All it is is common sense. OF COURSE releasing gases into the atmosphere is going to harm it. OF COURSE factory chemicals are going to harm the atmosphere.
My question is WHY did the past generations choose to ruin something that would someday be their children's and their grand children's. They ALL knew that this would be a consequence.
So, sadly, it is up to us, this new generation coming at the start of a new century millennium. We can do all sorts of things with the sciences we have today, and those talented in science should devote themselves to finding ways to fix previous generations' pollution issues. Those talented in writing, art, or are natural speakers should spread awareness. Those talented in Mathematics should calculate pollution amounts so that we can show improvement as an incentive. Those talented in History should compare this to previous crisis's, such as the Ice Age or Hurricane Katrina. People with ALL talents will be needed, and that is why we have been unsuccessful so far. People with minor talents believe that they are no help, for truly, they are. Someone good at repairing things can help to install those new pollution free engines.
Adults are being stupid. Even I, a 14 year old, can see possible ways to fix our enviroment.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:13 pm
I see your point, but did the gasses they let out over 100 years ago really cause Hurricane Katrina? The last Ice Age happened -how long ago? Scientists hardly thirty years ago said that we are still recovering from it. Maybe this is how the Earth was before that time.
Scince you brought up the Ice Age, I have a question for you or any one with the answer: How did that come about when there were no gasses in the air to cause it? What was poluting the air then?
Yes, we can always help the enviroment, but did that one half degree that has risen in a hundred years actually cause all the natral disasters?
Also, you had brought up the adults polluting the enviroment back then. Can you actually blame someone for doing something, if they dont know what is going to happen because of it? No one can prove that they knew for a fact that what they did was going to harm anything.
The scientists of the time did not know to look for a hole in the o-zone layer, because they didnt know it existed. They didnt know to look for chemicals in the exhaust because they didnt know that chemicals affected the weather patterns.
[[Just a tid-bit of information: The tempurture has not risen --on average--in 10 years.]]
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:27 pm
The Ecosystem is pretty fragile, so a half degree could cause a lot. A half degree could be responsible for a meltdown of a glacier. The water of it does not simply vanish, it goes into the seas, lowering the concentrations of salt in the water and influencing the ocean currents.
For northern europe a global warming could ironically result in an ice age, europes warmer climate is mainly supplied by currents from middle america. Those also pass Greenland (known for its glaciers), the glaciers melt down and "kick the train out of the rails".
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:03 am
Okay, lets think about this:
IF that one half degree did raise [which it hasnt in ten years.]How would a glacier melt by that? I do understand your reasoning, but where does rain come from if not the 'vanishing' ocean water? It just evaporated water falling from clouds, which are just more evaporated water.
The enviroment is constantly adapting and changing to fit its needs. Is it possible that the small amount of water that may have risen could evaporate? Do we even know how much the politicians are saying it has risen?
Nurge brought up an Ice Age. How could the MELTING glaciers -if any- cause GROWING glaciers in another part of the world? Im sorry, but this just seems completely illogical to me.
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:40 pm
Ah global warming.
It is real but not in the way we know it.
Dearest Sweetheart
It is in fact common sense that the burning of fossil fuels hurts the planet but it is not common sense to say that this is the reason why the earth's temperature has risen in the last hundreds of years.
Past generations have not ruined anything for you. Human activity is not reason why the planet has gotten warmer.
I'll give it to you, you are pretty smart to think of ways of fighting global warming but you must be pretty dumb if you think that global warming will go away if we change our way of living.
It is a fact that our planet is getting warmer but it is also a fact that many other planets in our solar system are also getting warmer. If only human activity causes temperatures to raise then why is Mars getting warmer? Why is Pluto getting warmer?
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:47 am
dvn -camilla price- ...
Nurge brought up an Ice Age. How could the MELTING glaciers -if any- cause GROWING glaciers in another part of the world? Im sorry, but this just seems completely illogical to me. It's a simple calculation: The glaciers of greenland do not contain salt, but the oceanic current from mexico does, the water is "heavy" because of the salt and walks along underwater canyons. That current is very important to northen europes climate, because it heats up the northern sea. Now the glaciers in greenland are melting, so the "heavy" water gets lighter, because the amount of water raises, but not the salt, it's the same with a drink you stretch with water. That scenery would lead to a derailing of it europes temperature supply. When the currents from mexico fall out, permafrost will come. On the other hand global warming has something good, states like russia or china, having a lot of territory unused, because of the climate. Russia for example could use regions like Siberia for aggriculture, oilrigging and a lot of other industrial things.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:15 am
Permafrost:In geology, permafrost or permafrost soil is soil at or below the freezing point of water (0 °C or 32 °F) for two or more years.
Found here on 13th, April 2008.
To point one thing out, Mexico has an average temparture of 43` degrees F. in January. That leaves over 10 degrees that needs to drop everyday for the next two years straight. Europe is too large to have just one average temparture, but as I look at this, even in Poland, the average is 46` degrees F.
My next question is this: How does the salt in the water affect the temparture? I see no way in which these two topics are related. If you can show me a way in which they are, please show me. But you should know ahead of time Im going to be looking for ways to show you that it is wrong.
Nurge: Isnt oil-rigging and industrial technology one of the major players in the "Global Warming" issue? I know that at least America is going to use wind-mills more because of the 'danger' the power-plants are.
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:18 pm
You don't need to explain permafrost to me, I had my ears open enough in geology class to know it. Only because things appear hard to imagine, they don't happen.
Oil industry is an affecter of global warming and supported by it, that's why there are enough people without any interests of stopping it.
Anyways, even if europe is too big of having constant temperatures, the gulf streams supports higher temparatures, by blowing warmer winds from the western side. The salt in the water DOES affect the properties of the water enough. For example; Salty water boils slower than unsalted water. Also one liter of saltwater is heavier than one liter of sweetwater.
Here some numbers taken from the german Wikipedia:
Normal water:
Boiling point: 100° C
Freezing point: 0°C
Weight per liter: 1 kg
Saline Water:
Boiling point: 108° C
Freezing Point: -21° C
Weight per liter: ~1.356 kg
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:52 am
Nurge You don't need to explain permafrost to me, I had my ears open enough in geology class to know it. Only because things appear hard to imagine, they don't happen. Oil industry is an affecter of global warming and supported by it, that's why there are enough people without any interests of stopping it. Anyways, even if europe is too big of having constant temperatures, the gulf streams supports higher temparatures, by blowing warmer winds from the western side. The salt in the water DOES affect the properties of the water enough. For example; Salty water boils slower than unsalted water. Also one liter of saltwater is heavier than one liter of sweetwater. Here some numbers taken from the german Wikipedia: Normal water: Boiling point: 100° C Freezing point: 0°C Weight per liter: 1 kg Saline Water: Boiling point: 108° C Freezing Point: -21° C Weight per liter: ~1.356 kg thats true about the salt water boiling slower but also the fact that warm water rises and cold water sinks and the more warm water their is their is less cold water to cool it down so that by the time it reaches the ice glaciers it will melt and break them open and pull the glaciers to warmer parts of the world and dilute the water and cause it to cool, their by messing with the climate and ultamatly leading to anouther ice age also i would like to note that earth has had a few global warmings in the past with no human cause,
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:09 pm
Nurge dvn -camilla price- ...
Nurge brought up an Ice Age. How could the MELTING glaciers -if any- cause GROWING glaciers in another part of the world? Im sorry, but this just seems completely illogical to me. It's a simple calculation: The glaciers of greenland do not contain salt, but the oceanic current from mexico does, the water is "heavy" because of the salt and walks along underwater canyons. That current is very important to northen europes climate, because it heats up the northern sea. Now the glaciers in greenland are melting, so the "heavy" water gets lighter, because the amount of water raises, but not the salt, it's the same with a drink you stretch with water. That scenery would lead to a derailing of it europes temperature supply. When the currents from mexico fall out, permafrost will come. On the other hand global warming has something good, states like russia or china, having a lot of territory unused, because of the climate. Russia for example could use regions like Siberia for aggriculture, oilrigging and a lot of other industrial things. That is part of it, but another part of it is the Gulf Stream. If the Greenland glaciers melted, it would add water to the Gulf Stream, making England, the eastern US, and bits of Mexico go into an Ice Age. By the way, I brought up the Ice age. To fight back against your comments, the last generation has been willfully polluting the air. I understand it won't refresh the Ozone unless it continues for thousands of years, but if we change our habits now, global warming will halt and begin to fix itself. -DEAREST SWEETHEART
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:33 pm
Dearest Sweetheart Nurge dvn -camilla price- ...
Nurge brought up an Ice Age. How could the MELTING glaciers -if any- cause GROWING glaciers in another part of the world? Im sorry, but this just seems completely illogical to me. It's a simple calculation: The glaciers of greenland do not contain salt, but the oceanic current from mexico does, the water is "heavy" because of the salt and walks along underwater canyons. That current is very important to northen europes climate, because it heats up the northern sea. Now the glaciers in greenland are melting, so the "heavy" water gets lighter, because the amount of water raises, but not the salt, it's the same with a drink you stretch with water. That scenery would lead to a derailing of it europes temperature supply. When the currents from mexico fall out, permafrost will come. On the other hand global warming has something good, states like russia or china, having a lot of territory unused, because of the climate. Russia for example could use regions like Siberia for aggriculture, oilrigging and a lot of other industrial things. That is part of it, but another part of it is the Gulf Stream. If the Greenland glaciers melted, it would add water to the Gulf Stream, making England, the eastern US, and bits of Mexico go into an Ice Age. By the way, I brought up the Ice age. To fight back against your comments, the last generation has been willfully polluting the air. I understand it won't refresh the Ozone unless it continues for thousands of years, but if we change our habits now, global warming will halt and begin to fix itself. -DEAREST SWEETHEART
The last generation may not have known that the pollutents would pollute the air. Did the first person to add vinegar and baking soday together know it would explode? I see no way they could have known untill it was too late. And if they had not made the cars to begin with, then most people would not be able to get to work, school, families houses, and we would not be working on actually good cars for the environment. So yes, they did pollute the earth, but it has been a good thing, even though one part turned for the worse.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:24 pm
And those inches are too much, we are not talking about something like a milkdrop into a bathtub. Sure, it's 'not much water' or however you want to describe it seen globally, but it's too much for this region.
And to come to the "previous generation point" our previous generation already pointed on the problem, like "uh, here and there, look at that, maybe it vanishes if we point at it longer!"
They had the chance to make the first steps of a change, but did not, they were cowards with this topics and left it to us.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:51 am
i would like to point out that the whole global warming going green has been done in the past, but to my knowledge it didnt go so far becuase in the past it was more costly in both the long run and the short run to keep green, and i mean like in the 70's or 80's i beleive
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:53 pm
Back in the eighties protecting the climate was a topic mainly handled by independent people without real powers to change anything. They were professors, doctors who still seemed to "walk on the hippie ways", Bigger industrial nations gave a ******** about what those people said.
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