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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:04 am
Mitsh DrasBrisingr Subrosian Mitsh Otherwise I'm sure we'd have heard about a recent spate of new-agers and occultists being found comatose or dead surrounded by incense thurifiers and the like. Yeah, but they'd probably just attribute it to some cult suicide thing. Like poisoning by some herb or plant that isn't generally tested for toxicity levels. Or even carbon monoxide from the incense? Something. I don't think they'd be too worried. I mean, they don't really flip out over spontaneous human combustion, so why would they flip out over random people being found dead for no obvious reason? On a side note, this reminds me of Lullaby, and it makes me really happy. That was quite possibly my favorite Palahniuk book. On a really far-off side note: How do you /pronounce/ Palahniuk? I've been going by "Pah-LAHN-yook", but I'm 75% sure that's wrong. I usually say, "PAL-ah-nook", but that's wrong, too. According to The Cult, it's "PAUL-AH-NIK (Paula Nick)".
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:10 pm
Epsilon Riddle @Maahes: Yus! And... why would the body shut down? o= Just relying on the theory that the soul exists and is the "self", if the soul completely left the body, the mind would assume the body had died and shut down the organs. This can also happen due to very realistic dreaming, if you die in the dream the mind can be convinced it really happened and shut you down.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:35 pm
[BlkCat] Epsilon Riddle @Maahes: Yus! And... why would the body shut down? o= Just relying on the theory that the soul exists and is the "self", if the soul completely left the body, the mind would assume the body had died and shut down the organs. This can also happen due to very realistic dreaming, if you die in the dream the mind can be convinced it really happened and shut you down. See I was always told that dying in a dream thing was a myth.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:18 pm
a**l Jesus [BlkCat] Epsilon Riddle @Maahes: Yus! And... why would the body shut down? o= Just relying on the theory that the soul exists and is the "self", if the soul completely left the body, the mind would assume the body had died and shut down the organs. This can also happen due to very realistic dreaming, if you die in the dream the mind can be convinced it really happened and shut you down. See I was always told that dying in a dream thing was a myth. It was thought to be, but there has been a lot of research on dreaming and it's effects on the body. The mind is a very powerful thing; And especially in a dream state, is subject to suggestion. For a person who can feel pain, smell scents, taste, hear, ect in their dreams are really the only ones in danger of this. It's been shown that a person can develop bruises and sore spots on the body from being hurt in a dream (even without hitting the wall/doing it to them self without knowing while sleeping). So its not a far fetched idea that a death in a dream that didn't cause the dreamer to awaken immediately could trigger the mind's natural shutdown process.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:36 pm
[BlkCat] a**l Jesus [BlkCat] Epsilon Riddle @Maahes: Yus! And... why would the body shut down? o= Just relying on the theory that the soul exists and is the "self", if the soul completely left the body, the mind would assume the body had died and shut down the organs. This can also happen due to very realistic dreaming, if you die in the dream the mind can be convinced it really happened and shut you down. See I was always told that dying in a dream thing was a myth. It was thought to be, but there has been a lot of research on dreaming and it's effects on the body. The mind is a very powerful thing; And especially in a dream state, is subject to suggestion. For a person who can feel pain, smell scents, taste, hear, ect in their dreams are really the only ones in danger of this. It's been shown that a person can develop bruises and sore spots on the body from being hurt in a dream (even without hitting the wall/doing it to them self without knowing while sleeping). So its not a far fetched idea that a death in a dream that didn't cause the dreamer to awaken immediately could trigger the mind's natural shutdown process. I always wondered why I never saw any death in my dreams... eek
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:59 pm
Azana Brown [BlkCat] a**l Jesus [BlkCat] Epsilon Riddle @Maahes: Yus! And... why would the body shut down? o= Just relying on the theory that the soul exists and is the "self", if the soul completely left the body, the mind would assume the body had died and shut down the organs. This can also happen due to very realistic dreaming, if you die in the dream the mind can be convinced it really happened and shut you down. See I was always told that dying in a dream thing was a myth. It was thought to be, but there has been a lot of research on dreaming and it's effects on the body. The mind is a very powerful thing; And especially in a dream state, is subject to suggestion. For a person who can feel pain, smell scents, taste, hear, ect in their dreams are really the only ones in danger of this. It's been shown that a person can develop bruises and sore spots on the body from being hurt in a dream (even without hitting the wall/doing it to them self without knowing while sleeping). So its not a far fetched idea that a death in a dream that didn't cause the dreamer to awaken immediately could trigger the mind's natural shutdown process. I always wondered why I never saw any death in my dreams... eek ^_^, Most people wake up when they "die" in their dreams. But never stay asleep long enough to actual view/feel the full death, they just assume they must have died.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:12 pm
BlkCat, if you could provide a link to a site that in some way points to the studies you've mentioned, I would really enjoy that. I'm not so much skeptical as interested.
In the afterlife:
Random Person: "How'd you die?"
New Arrival: "Oh, I dremt I died...then did."
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:37 pm
[BlkCat] Azana Brown I always wondered why I never saw any death in my dreams... eek ^_^, Most people wake up when they "die" in their dreams. But never stay asleep long enough to actual view/feel the full death, they just assume they must have died. No, I mean, I never see myself heading towards death or anything. I can dream in color, hear tunes, even read lyrics in my dreams...but I never see anything die. It's all implied. Lots of combat, no death.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:50 pm
On the thread topic, I bet you could do something like it involving darkness, cold, large amounts of depressive drugs, put yourself into a coma like state, ect, anything that gets your body in a state resembling death. Otherwise I think it would be any experience like those that form NDE, surgery, heart attack, whatever.
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