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 Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:19 pm
iBlow Rainbows Actually Jesus was gay himself and had laid with another man, but it was banned when the bible was translated and probably before, because it would seem hypocritical. And plus I honestly think the bible isn't a word for word rule, I think it's a type of book filled with morals and a 'how to not to be an a*****e' type thing that's been glorified beyond it's original thought and purpose.
There's no actual proof that Jesus was a homosexual, it's all just speculation, probably a rumor created by some angry gay man/woman in order to retaliate against the Church. Claims like this are what make people think twice about listening to us. We shouldn't have to stoop so low as to make up crap, the truth lies in the bible itself and is more than enough.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 4:17 am
Stop worrying about these semantic idiosyncrasies. smile The Bible was written a long time ago in different languages.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:39 am
Odd Boy Out Stop worrying about these semantic idiosyncrasies. smile The Bible was written a long time ago in different languages. Yea... things get lost in translation and are misspoken over the years...
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:59 am
Well a brief background on myself. I was born and raised and believed in Christianity for about 23 years. Between the ages of 15 to 17 I spent a lot of time claiming homosexuality was "ok" by biblical standards. I still maintain that the new testament (which most modern Christianity is based off of) does not even mention homosexuality. BLUF (Bottom Line Up front) The old testament advocates rape murder and slavery. No christian in their right mind truly believes in the old testament. They may claim to, but will shoot down any attempt you have at debating the morality behind it. Or lack there of. Anyway, I soon discovered the thiest vs athiest debate was very popular on youtube. Eventually, I was convinced that there is no god, at least not the christian one I have been believing in. I highly suggest watching some of the videos by "NonStampCollector" The story behind his user name is rather interesting also =P http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollectorhttp://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:40 pm
iBlow Rainbows Actually Jesus was gay himself and had laid with another man, but it was banned when the bible was translated and probably before, because it would seem hypocritical. And plus I honestly think the bible isn't a word for word rule, I think it's a type of book filled with morals and a 'how to not to be an a*****e' type thing that's been glorified beyond it's original thought and purpose. Proof that jesus was gay?
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:33 pm
The Lonely Marionette Imitation Stradivarius Old Testament law was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified. This means that he not only took on the sins of the world like it says in the New Testament, but he also fulfilled the Old Testament laws and nullified them. After Jesus ascended, there was no more blood sacrifice. People did not continue to slaughter animals in the temple, and the Levites found another food source (inside joke for the Bible Thumper). But...Just because Jesus nullified the Old Testament law doesn't mean he never said a word about them again. Jesus preached against sexual immorality and guess what that includes...
I've done extensive studies on homosexuality in the bible, and came up with many facts that are constant from different sources.
The whole "thou shall not" blah blah blah is actually a part of a purity code for holy men back in the day. That also includes the no mixed seeds and fabrics and shellfish, etc. Not to mention that the word "Abomination" in no way translates into "sin". An abomination is something that goes against practice of the times, and back then it was strongly frowned against to waste your seed.
This meant that any sexual practice that did not result in a child being created was discouraged. The reason for this was because the Hebrews were trying to preserve their population, and masturbation/sex with the same gender was counter productive to this.
A great source to read about all this and more is located here:
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christianO.o....*glomp* thank you! I've been so conflicted between my faith and my sexuality....I...THANK YOU!
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:59 pm
That verse amuses me, because it's like it's just a fancier way to express a juvenile, "That's yucky!" reaction to gays. There's no actual explanation, just that it's an "abomination." xD
All I can imagine is God seeing two guys making out and going, "Eeeew! Gross!" in a girly voice.
The fact that it was LIKELY a mistranslation and no longer applies anyway (because it's the OLD TESTAMENT, DURRRR) is something that the rabidly anti-gay Christians will refuse to accept. So I just play along with it and then laugh at how immature it seems. >__>
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:24 pm
The Lonely Marionette iBlow Rainbows Actually Jesus was gay himself and had laid with another man, but it was banned when the bible was translated and probably before, because it would seem hypocritical. And plus I honestly think the bible isn't a word for word rule, I think it's a type of book filled with morals and a 'how to not to be an a*****e' type thing that's been glorified beyond it's original thought and purpose.
There's no actual proof that Jesus was a homosexual, it's all just speculation, probably a rumor created by some angry gay man/woman in order to retaliate against the Church. Claims like this are what make people think twice about listening to us. We shouldn't have to stoop so low as to make up crap, the truth lies in the bible itself and is more than enough. I have read and seen that[jesus laid with a man] somewhere before, thats why i said it. It was supposedly banned from which ever you would want to call the 'original' bible (too many to really call one 'original' ) it was a long time ago I saw/read that but it was actually banned. Perhaps not actually homosexual himself, but he had laid with a man. I would love to quote or find where i had seen tat but unfortunately i cant, so... Yeah, no win. And the only thing that says against homosexuality in the bible, or one of the thousands of variations of teh bible, I searched for it to prove to my friend this. The only word it says is that god says 'not lay with another man'. Thats it. it doesnt say why, it doesnt say how its a sin. All it says is that God doesnt want you to lay with another man. Although I still must say that i think its just a type of tutorial for people to not be a 'bad person', and its filled wth morals that I think people just glorified beyond belief. Again, D*mnit I wish i could have saved where I read that Jesus laid with another man ><;;; I will try and find it again for this sake but dont expect me to 'win' and find it ><;;;;
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:28 pm
i have to admit, i absolutely love what you just said!
and heres my honest opinion on why thats in the bible-
the bible was written about a hundred or so years (correct me if im wrong) after jesus came. in that time the romans were still persecuting them b/c their religion was considered to be an illegal practice or whatever you wanna call it. the roman emperor Nero reinforced this, and that made the christains believe that he was the antichrist.
he was also bisexual. so you can conclude that when somebody tries to tell you that youre going to hell for loving someone of the same sex as you-its total bullshit. the christians were just mad at their emperor.
so there. thats my theory.
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Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:34 pm
http://www.hoperemains.webs.com/If that is not enough, than how about this: Even if God does hate fagotry, then it's still not fags that he hates, he hates what we do. John 3:16. Just because I happen to like both genders doesn't mean I'm going to hell. I still believe and have faith. (: Everything homophobic in the bible is either mistranslated, misunderstood, misused, or added by homophobes themselves. And obviously we're not bound by the rules of the Old Testament, because we still eat bacon. The Lonely Marionette is a smart person(:
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:04 pm
WickedPookie Leviticus Chapter 18 Verse 22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination" This is an actual verse in the bible, and sadly there are many who believe it to be true. For these people, those who use this verse in there defence that the fact that the bible says homosexuality is a sin rules out the love everyone, all are equal part. For them I have but one question. Do you like shrimp? Because if I am not mistaken in the bible (just a few verses before that lie with man part, it says that to eat shellfish is a sin. So if you can eat shrimp or any other shell fish for that matter, why can't she eat p***y, or a guy eat d**k? And for every homophobes, whose only reply to that is "Go with God" or "Accept God in your life" I have but one response... I've accepted God, It's a*****e's like you I have a problem with Leviticus refers to eat fish without both fins and scales to be abomination. wear clothing consist of two or more different kinds of fibers to be an abomination. planting two or more types of seeds in the same field to be an abomination. shaving or trimming your facial hair is also an abomination. abomination in biblical context means unclean. so if you do these things you aren't necessarily an awful sinner bound for hell.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:15 am
Account Null Actually Jesus was gay himself and had laid with another man, but it was banned when the bible was translated and probably before, because it would seem hypocritical. "Citation needed"
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Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 9:23 pm
I lol'd at so many posts here: "God is not real" ... "Jesus was gay himself"
The bible has been misinterpreted for a long time and it has also been modified to fit men's believes and morals. I do believe in god, I do believe in jesus. just not in the bible..
Homosexuals exist beacuse gods want them to exist, god wants us here.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:05 pm
The Bible was originally written in Latin. Who here speaks Latin? I doubt many will raise your hands. So, to get the 'original' bible's exact sayings you'd have to learn Latin. And when you think about it, many words won't translate well.
So the bible could be translated wrong.
No one can really read the Bible (Latin text) without knowing how to correctly read Latin. So basically, only the Pope and other higher ups can read the original.
So we don't KNOW what it originally said.
And here's a hypocritic thing about the Biible. It says You're supposed to love everyone as they are, and to be kind to them. then why all the hate against Bisexuals, gays, and others?
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:31 am
SilentVex The Bible was originally written in Latin. Who here speaks Latin? I doubt many will raise your hands. So, to get the 'original' bible's exact sayings you'd have to learn Latin. And when you think about it, many words won't translate well.
Even that's a translation from the original writings in Hebrew, at least for the old testament.
Though I disagree with the Pope and other higher ups reading Latin. That seems to imply that only Catholic church leaders know Latin and that's simply not true.
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