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Ms Rose Wilson Worth

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:52 pm


3nodding The second book is mostly the development of the werewolves.

though without the first you may get bored
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:52 pm


I kinda was kinda a huge LKH fan from early on in her career...so as stupid as it may sound I felt betrayed when she ventured into land of the neverending sexcapade in Narcissus in Chains. I tend to get irate when discussing her. sweatdrop

Benjamin Poindexter


l-lellboy

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:53 pm


Technologist Tony Stark

I worked in the book industry for two years and I keep up. I'm busting a gut laughing because you're calling supernatural romance new.


18th Century gothic novel? And it's online? Dammit, Tony, I had enough to read this week already. gonk
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:57 pm


Oh wow heart

Ms Rose Wilson Worth


Technologist Tony Stark

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:59 pm


Benjamin Poindexter


*sighs* I'm preparing for the outage but....I don't like Tim Burton movies for the most part. So that is not endorsement to me....neither is Rodriguez because I thought his kid's movies (Spy Kids, Shark Boy/Lava Gir) were junk. I would leave Bekmambetov off that list as 9 hasn't come out yet so you don't know if it's going to be good.


I'm not talking about what gets your endorsement, I'm talking about what has proven successful and critically acclaimed. I just don't really see a general and predictable disillusionment with the Hollywood establishment as being a valid complaint against a film that is showing a great deal of promise in it's production stills. It certainly doesn't tell the whole story of how the film is going to go, but it does show how much work has been done to preserve the look and feel of the original narrative.

Max and the Wild Things are absolutely unmistakable, even though there are no available images of the Wild Things except as silhouettes from behind. The available shots show that the tone and even general colour palette of the storybook are maintained. While it's true that the original story is relatively short, it is a narrative that takes place over a great deal of time and uses narrative devices meant to imply spans of time that aren't covered in either the text or images of the book. There exists a strong framework to build a more specific narrative out of while maintaining the general flow and point of the narrative.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:01 pm


l-lellboy
Technologist Tony Stark

I worked in the book industry for two years and I keep up. I'm busting a gut laughing because you're calling supernatural romance new.


18th Century gothic novel? And it's online? Dammit, Tony, I had enough to read this week already. gonk


8D

Technologist Tony Stark


BagelNarwhal

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:05 pm


Playing... Resident.. Evil... five.. for.. 10 hours straight..

Oh Puzzles.. How I loathe thee..
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:07 pm


Benjamin Poindexter
I kinda was kinda a huge LKH fan from early on in her career...so as stupid as it may sound I felt betrayed when she ventured into land of the neverending sexcapade in Narcissus in Chains. I tend to get irate when discussing her. sweatdrop


I've heard long and involved rants about her devolution from devoted fans, and it's generally merited. I skipped the vampire stuff and read her faerie series, which was essentially ready, set, porn! although somewhat engaging until about halfway through the second novel when Merideth became this amazing individual who unlocks an individual's godhead by sleeping with them. I am not exaggerating even slightly when I say this. Sex in literature is not a bad thing, but when your novels become simply the pretext for kinky sex with fantasy creatures, I tune out, which is unfortunate because she had the opportunity to create and expound upon a number of fascinating societies with a myriad of approaches to and understanding of sexuality.

I mean think about how achingly asexual a lot of popular male oriented fantasy literature is (I'm thinking largely of the D&D spinoff type material), and how misogynistic and stale the stuff that does engage in more overt sexuality is. There's potential there that needs more exploring in a less crass and exploitative way. Somehow the literary novel manages it just fine, and yet fantasy just cannot get it's s**t together.

Technologist Tony Stark


l-lellboy

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:12 pm


Technologist Tony Stark

I've heard long and involved rants about her devolution from devoted fans, and it's generally merited. I skipped the vampire stuff and read her faerie series, which was essentially ready, set, porn! although somewhat engaging until about halfway through the second novel when Merideth became this amazing individual who unlocks an individual's godhead by sleeping with them. I am not exaggerating even slightly when I say this. Sex in literature is not a bad thing, but when your novels become simply the pretext for kinky sex with fantasy creatures, I tune out, which is unfortunate because she had the opportunity to create and expound upon a number of fascinating societies with a myriad of approaches to and understanding of sexuality.

I mean think about how achingly asexual a lot of popular male oriented fantasy literature is (I'm thinking largely of the D&D spinoff type material), and how misogynistic and stale the stuff that does engage in more overt sexuality is. There's potential there that needs more exploring in a less crass and exploitative way. Somehow the literary novel manages it just fine, and yet fantasy just cannot get it's s**t together.

I actually still like her Meredith Gentry series, partly because it's honest about being ready, set, porn! With Anita, she took a strong, conflicted but principled character and turned her into a wanton self-insert. stare Meredith at least makes no pretense about being anything other than essentially slutty, and even incorporates it as being an important part of fae culture and society.
...that and the court politics. I like court politics for some reason.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:24 pm


Technologist Tony Stark
Benjamin Poindexter


*sighs* I'm preparing for the outage but....I don't like Tim Burton movies for the most part. So that is not endorsement to me....neither is Rodriguez because I thought his kid's movies (Spy Kids, Shark Boy/Lava Gir) were junk. I would leave Bekmambetov off that list as 9 hasn't come out yet so you don't know if it's going to be good.


I'm not talking about what gets your endorsement, I'm talking about what has proven successful and critically acclaimed. I just don't really see a general and predictable disillusionment with the Hollywood establishment as being a valid complaint against a film that is showing a great deal of promise in it's production stills. It certainly doesn't tell the whole story of how the film is going to go, but it does show how much work has been done to preserve the look and feel of the original narrative.

Max and the Wild Things are absolutely unmistakable, even though there are no available images of the Wild Things except as silhouettes from behind. The available shots show that the tone and even general colour palette of the storybook are maintained. While it's true that the original story is relatively short, it is a narrative that takes place over a great deal of time and uses narrative devices meant to imply spans of time that aren't covered in either the text or images of the book. There exists a strong framework to build a more specific narrative out of while maintaining the general flow and point of the narrative.


I think we've gone off the reservation. The directors you bring up that have made popular kid's movies and critically acclaimed ones are usually working with original material. The Spy Kids franchise and NBC were not based off a children's book. We're talking children's movies based on children's books. Let's toss out Transformers and Voltron sunce they were cartoons and just stick with books.

Not only that, let's stick with books comparable to WtWTA. No Harry Potter or Golden Compass or Eragon because they are much longer and more complicated than WtWTA. So...what's left? The Seuss books which are of comparable length and have less complicated plots.

Recent history that these movies are a disaster. Grinch was directed by a man who has been critically acclaimed and made popular movies, Ron Howard. Bo Welch(Cat in the Hat) worked on a bunch of popular and critically acclaimed films. Horton Hears A Who got favorable reviews and was directed by people who worked on Pixar movies. But we all know that popular does not equate to good.

And when Hollywood starts adding things to existing stories to stretch for time it usually is a recipe for disaster.

Benjamin Poindexter


Benjamin Poindexter

PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:27 pm


Technologist Tony Stark
Benjamin Poindexter
I kinda was kinda a huge LKH fan from early on in her career...so as stupid as it may sound I felt betrayed when she ventured into land of the neverending sexcapade in Narcissus in Chains. I tend to get irate when discussing her. sweatdrop


I've heard long and involved rants about her devolution from devoted fans, and it's generally merited. I skipped the vampire stuff and read her faerie series, which was essentially ready, set, porn! although somewhat engaging until about halfway through the second novel when Merideth became this amazing individual who unlocks an individual's godhead by sleeping with them. I am not exaggerating even slightly when I say this. Sex in literature is not a bad thing, but when your novels become simply the pretext for kinky sex with fantasy creatures, I tune out, which is unfortunate because she had the opportunity to create and expound upon a number of fascinating societies with a myriad of approaches to and understanding of sexuality.

I mean think about how achingly asexual a lot of popular male oriented fantasy literature is (I'm thinking largely of the D&D spinoff type material), and how misogynistic and stale the stuff that does engage in more overt sexuality is. There's potential there that needs more exploring in a less crass and exploitative way. Somehow the literary novel manages it just fine, and yet fantasy just cannot get it's s**t together.


The Merry books started out well because of one reason: LKH made sex part of the story from the start. In the Anita books, she crowbarred it in there after establishing "rules"(thus breaking all the "rules") and Mary Sued Anita. Eventually Merry became Anita 2.0 and the series degenerated into Mary Sueism and two page description's of Frost's hair.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:29 pm


Technologist Tony Stark
Nick Joseph Fury

Heh, good stuff. I picked up Haunted last Friday, actually, and started re-reading. The 'Choke' movie and our conversation reminded me how much I loved it.

Guillermo Del Toro? Ugh. I'd hate to see him taint his wonderful filmography with that drek.

Inglorious Basterds looks great. Tarintino has been hit-and-miss lately, and Eli Roth's involvement had me a little concerned (s**t director, s**t actor.) but the trailer reaffirmed my belief that it's an awesome idea.


I dunno, I seem to be the only person who thinks that Tarantino really started to hit his stride at Kill Bill and build from there. I'm not a fan of Eli Roth as a storyteller, but I think that he brings a fantastic metafictional weight to the movie given that it's ostensibly about soldiers tasked with finding the most brutal, inhumane, and unconscionable acts to demoralize the enemy who history remembers as being the most pathologically brutal military of the century (at least). You can tell from his body language in the film that he's there to embody all the darkest elements of the human condition that Hostel brought bubbling to the surface. This is after all Tarantino's take on The Dirty Dozen.

I paged through Choke at the store -I've seen the movie too recently to want to re-engage with the story so soon- but I found some very neat passages that absolutely necessitate a full reading once I've conquered these two. I could see writing a thesis on Palahniuk one day. That would be a lot of fun.

On the Twilight front, I have to disagree. I mean for one thing as much as I love the Hellboy franchise and Pan's Labrynth, I have also seen Blade 2. There is no further sullying of that mad b*****d to be done after that. I gave it some thought when I watched the movie, and Twilight is an extremely easy narrative to rework and turn into pure spun gold. I'm sure my particular vision of it would be too bloody and realist to get greenlit, but that isn't to say that no one could deliver a viable treatment that does justice to the potential there.

When was the last time there was a significant narrative about a teenage girl who fell in love with a vampire who tried not to be evil? Oh right. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm sure the Barrymore version would not be my favourite thing ever, but I am near certain that she would provide a compromise that would still shelter the teenage audience from a shallow exploitative monstrosity.

Yeah, I'm of the complete opposite mindset on Tarintino. Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are masterpieces. Jackie Brown wasn't quite at that level, but it worked. Kill Bill Vol. I was great, but I wasn't digging Vol. 2. I'd have to say the first Tarintino movie I actively disliked was Death Proof, though. All "homage," no substance. Tarintino works because he has well-thought out stories interwoven with his unique and interesting dialog. When you take out the first part, you get a movie that's barely worth watching. As for Roth... Eh. Hostel wasn't so much a commentary on the darkest aspects of the human condition as it was exploitative bullshit. Saw without the cleverness. Though I can see where you're coming from. Truth be told, Roth didn't look bad in the trailer.

I absolutely love the book Choke. Palahniuk's books are just oozing with cynical truisms. Choke's especially good for that, and the film barely scratched the surface.

I remember liking Blade II. Then again, that was some time ago, and I was probably just comparing it favorably to it's abysmal sequel. But him doing Twilight? I really don't see it. I mean, talk about exploitative bullshit. Sure, he could twist it around into a story worth telling, but it's fanbase would have an absolute fit. It's not like Wolverine: Origins where they can ******** up Deadpool and the comic fanboys will be pissed to all hell, but the movie-going public will be none the wiser. Twilight has such a massive fanbase that the backlash would be too much. Besides, why twist a shitty story around to make a good one when you can just start from scratch?

Maniacal Norman Osborn


Mitchell Hundred

PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:39 am


MUST GET RESIDENT EVIL 5 SO LEE AND I CAN CO-OP THE s**t OUT OF IT. scream

And I liked Death Proof, especially when viewed with the whole "Grindhouse Experience"; complete with fake trailers and double feature action. Both Planet Terror and Death Proof did not masquerade or try and hid their obvious (and thus namesake) influences and were never intended to be much more then their surface value worth.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:01 am


Maniacal Norman Osborn
But him doing Twilight? I really don't see it. I mean, talk about exploitative bullshit. Sure, he could twist it around into a story worth telling, but it's fanbase would have an absolute fit. It's not like Wolverine: Origins where they can ******** up Deadpool and the comic fanboys will be pissed to all hell, but the movie-going public will be none the wiser. Twilight has such a massive fanbase that the backlash would be too much. Besides, why twist a shitty story around to make a good one when you can just start from scratch?
I think it's infinitely more doable to make Twilight what Del Toro wants because every interview I've read with the main actors basically scream "we hate this crap, we just want the damn paycheck". So getting a better script in front of them should be rather easy. Besides, if the big picture is unchanged, then what's there to worry about? Everyone knows that the details don't always make it into the adaptation. And because it's Twilight, I feel compelled to say this: Goddamned sparkly ******** vampires.

On a different note, apologies if this has been posted before, I present There Will Be Brawl.

[Gothic_Lolita]


Hamato Leonardo Sama

PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:04 am


If anyone here watches Smallville...

Just saw the pics of Zatanna for the show in two weeks.

burning_eyes
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