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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:04 pm
iSuperKamiTenchi-kun ((Redid the talent to better fit Hasaki. The other one was.... more style-based and not character based.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Master-at-Arms: Hasaki Ryouken is an oddity. Through his own skill and pride, he has been able to mix taijutsu and bukijutsu. Taijutsu techniques he uses can be adapted to weapon play. His knowledge of melee combat also allows him to craft and use custom taijutsu and custom bukijutsu styles at Gennin rank, and he can learn stages of bukijutsu and taijutsu styles as though he was one rank higher and his tactical bonus gives two less post for learning techniques.
Talent Sacrifice: Outside of Complex Techniques in bukijutsu and taijutsu styles, Hasaki cannot mold chakra. This means no activation ninjutsu (Basically ALL ninjustu outside of water walking and tree climb) and no genjutsu can be used by him. This also cancels the beginner clone and transformation jutsus. He will never be able to use an implant, bloodline, or become a demon host. Accepting any of these will be rejected by his body, and will potentially kill him.If learning anything other than Bukijutsu, the tactical bonus from this talent is null and instead adds a post.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.
"Through his own skill and pride, he has been able to mix taijutsu and bukijutsu. Taijutsu techniques he uses can be adapted to weapon play."
This is an unnecessary point to include, since that is true of any taijutsu already.
Seeing as you are a weapon master, and not a taijutsu specialist, I can't fully accept boosting both with this talent to the degree you are asking. The custom weapon styles/techniques bonus to create them at genin I will allow, but since you're not a taijutsu specialist I can't let you include the taijutsu side of that. Same with the stage learning. I can again allow the weapon stage bonus (But only for one style.), but not taijutsu.
And I can't allow the learning bonus. You already have tactical type, which is a fairly high bonus in and of itself.
If you still feel the talent is worthwhile after those edits, please re-post. Also, you may edit the weakness if you feel it is too harsh with those reductions.
(Side note: You have the wrong name in the last segment.)
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:23 pm
What I was getting at was that Hasaki cannot use anything but Tai and Buki, but because of this giant limitation, his physical techniques come quicker than others. He's essentially giving up Ninjutsu and Genjutsu to be able to mix Tai and Buki, but being more built towards speed as Buki is, rather than Tai's strength style..
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:31 pm
iSuperKamiTenchi-kun What I was getting at was that Hasaki cannot use anything but Tai and Buki, but because of this giant limitation, his physical techniques come quicker than others. He's essentially giving up Ninjutsu and Genjutsu to be able to mix Tai and Buki, but being more built towards speed as Buki is, rather than Tai's strength style.. I fully understand that. I just can't fully allow the mixed talent on that scale. If I might make a recommendation though, the sacrifice of everything but tai/weapon jutsu that you are going for would be sufficient for a dual profession talent. Essentially one that would allow you to take the bonuses of both tai and weapon specialists. You wouldn't be able to take the other bonuses already in this talent though if you did that, since it'd be a major bonus already.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm
Hinote Tosatsu iSuperKamiTenchi-kun What I was getting at was that Hasaki cannot use anything but Tai and Buki, but because of this giant limitation, his physical techniques come quicker than others. He's essentially giving up Ninjutsu and Genjutsu to be able to mix Tai and Buki, but being more built towards speed as Buki is, rather than Tai's strength style.. I fully understand that. I just can't fully allow the mixed talent on that scale. If I might make a recommendation though, the sacrifice of everything but tai/weapon jutsu that you are going for would be sufficient for a dual profession talent. Essentially one that would allow you to take the bonuses of both tai and weapon specialists. You wouldn't be able to take the other bonuses already in this talent though if you did that, since it'd be a major bonus already. I thought we couldn't essential mix two professions to make one...? (Think I saw Greg deny for that reason)
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:57 pm
Seeing my name mentioned, I'm gonna butt in: Hinote, what are you saying? A talent that lets you take two professions at the expense of everything else? I thought I told you, I wanted to discourage "sacrifice X to overpower Y" talents.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:38 am
I reserve the right to allow any sort of talent I see fit, so long as it fits within the boundaries of balance that I am attempting to hold within the system. If a dual profession talent fits within those boundaries, I will allow it. If it does not, I will fix it until it does. Exception being that the selected professions are too different. The two I suggested combining are very much alike, thus not much of a stretch to allow, should the sacrifice be sufficient. @Greg: I believe that when you told me that, I most likely responded with the fact that that is the point of talents. They can be used in many ways of course, but that is one of them, and the most likely to be used. Besides, the suggestion was not to sacrifice X to overpower Y. The suggestion was to sacrifice A-X to add Z on top of Y.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:23 am
((Adapting to Hinote's suggestions through PM.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Valiant: Hasaki can learn Custom Tai and Buki styles at Gennin rank.
Talent Sacrifice: He learns Ninjutsu and Genjutsu as though he was one rank lower.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:54 am
Username: iAkura-kun
RPC Name: -
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: None
Profession: Not yet chosen
Ninja Types: Not yet chosen, n/a due to talent
Talent Description: Profession Adept:
Unlike most ninja, the user is capable of taking two professions instead of the regular one. This allows him to take both the benefits and the drawbacks of the two professions that are chosen.
Talent Sacrifice: Due to the Nature of the Talent, there are a few sacrifices and drawbacks that come with it. First and foremost he doesn't have a ninja type. Added to that he takes the weaknesses from both professions* and he can never achieve the full mastery of either talent.
*note: Because the talent requires the ninja to have two weaknesses if the profession has 2 talents that are the same they overlap , making the weakness double. In the case that it makes one of his abilities drop twice, he is incapable of using said skill.
How it happened: This doesn't really need a backstory does it?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:48 am
iSuperKamiTenchi-kun ((Adapting to Hinote's suggestions through PM.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Valiant: Hasaki can learn Custom Tai and Buki styles at Gennin rank.
Talent Sacrifice: He learns Ninjutsu and Genjutsu as though he was one rank lower.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.
You should probably edit the bonus to learn techniques, rather than expressly styles. Firstly for the reasons I mentioned before, that you could learn techniques individually, but a style would cost a lump sum, but also because techniques can be created outside of a style as well. The ability to learn custom styles at genin won't do you much good when you might not have that much money until chuunin or some such thing.
Edit: I forgot to mention this... Please change "Buki" mentions to "Weapon". While others guilds might, POTS has never referred to weapon techniques and styles as Bukijutsu, and that could become an area of confusion as a result.
Besides that though, and even with the edit suggested, I'll say -
The name in the background bit is still wrong though.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:57 am
iAkura-kun Username: iAkura-kun
RPC Name: -
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: None
Profession: Not yet chosen
Ninja Types: Not yet chosen, n/a due to talent
Talent Description: Profession Adept:
Unlike most ninja, the user is capable of taking two professions instead of the regular one. This allows him to take both the benefits and the drawbacks of the two professions that are chosen.
Talent Sacrifice: Due to the Nature of the Talent, there are a few sacrifices and drawbacks that come with it. First and foremost he doesn't have a ninja type. Added to that he takes the weaknesses from both professions* and he can never achieve the full mastery of either talent.
*note: Because the talent requires the ninja to have two weaknesses if the profession has 2 talents that are the same they overlap , making the weakness double. In the case that it makes one of his abilities drop twice, he is incapable of using said skill.
How it happened: This doesn't really need a backstory does it?  While I am aware that I just suggested a dual profession talent to Tenchi, that does not mean I'll easily let them pass. That said, this one doesn't work for several reasons. First, you didn't list what these professions would be. The used professions, and, yes, the backstory behind them, are important parts of the decision on their validity. I believe it was you who, writing the basis for a dual profession profession, made a large list of which would be compatible and which would not. While I'm not referencing your old list, it is still an important consideration before I can allow one in this system. All that said, the sacrifice is also insufficient. The one I suggested works on the basis that everything else beside the main use of those two professions are lost. The professions being taijutsu and weapon specialist, that means everything but basic melee combat techniques. If you were to take, say, ninjutsu and genjutsu specialist for your professions, that sacrifice would be VERY little, and not allowable. Again, another reason I can't allow this without knowing the rest of the intended character design.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:52 am
Well the two professions I had in mind where Puppet and Sealer, but I wasn't too sure as to what make them in the end. Something else I had in mind was Puppet User and Assassin, but the same thing comes up, not really sure what profession to use in the end.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:34 pm
Hinote Tosatsu iSuperKamiTenchi-kun ((Adapting to Hinote's suggestions through PM.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Valiant: Hasaki can learn Custom Tai and Buki styles at Gennin rank.
Talent Sacrifice: He learns Ninjutsu and Genjutsu as though he was one rank lower.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.You should probably edit the bonus to learn techniques, rather than expressly styles. Firstly for the reasons I mentioned before, that you could learn techniques individually, but a style would cost a lump sum, but also because techniques can be created outside of a style as well. The ability to learn custom styles at genin won't do you much good when you might not have that much money until chuunin or some such thing. Edit: I forgot to mention this... Please change "Buki" mentions to "Weapon". While others guilds might, POTS has never referred to weapon techniques and styles as Bukijutsu, and that could become an area of confusion as a result.Besides that though, and even with the edit suggested, I'll say - The name in the background bit is still wrong though.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:36 pm
Hinote Tosatsu iSuperKamiTenchi-kun ((Adapting to Hinote's suggestions through PM.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Valiant: Hasaki can learn Custom Tai and Buki styles at Gennin rank.
Talent Sacrifice: He learns Ninjutsu and Genjutsu as though he was one rank lower.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.You should probably edit the bonus to learn techniques, rather than expressly styles. Firstly for the reasons I mentioned before, that you could learn techniques individually, but a style would cost a lump sum, but also because techniques can be created outside of a style as well. The ability to learn custom styles at genin won't do you much good when you might not have that much money until chuunin or some such thing. Edit: I forgot to mention this... Please change "Buki" mentions to "Weapon". While others guilds might, POTS has never referred to weapon techniques and styles as Bukijutsu, and that could become an area of confusion as a result.Besides that though, and even with the edit suggested, I'll say - The name in the background bit is still wrong though. @Tenchi: Honestly, your former application had far more compensation for your talent than this one does. It isn't necessarily your fault that this was changed in your application, I just wanted to mention it to you before I said what I need to. @Hinote: As you reserve the right to allow any talent, I reserve the right to deny any talent I see fit. What you did was take an already balanced application and make it by far unbalanced. What his application seemed to emulate, was a Tai/Bukijutsu oriented character whose focus was more on speed than strength. By sacrificing nin/genjutsu it completely made sense that the balance to that sacrifice would be his taijutsu and weapon proficiency. What you have done, is given him the potential for a Rock Lee-like RPC with ninjutsu. I'm highly, HIGHLY opposed to this. Furthermore, the talent system should NOT be used to attempt to combine professions. This completely undermines the profession system and puts into question the point of us creating it and separating it in that way if you can just walk in here and take the best two parts of a profession for such a minimal sacrifice. I like what Tenchi is trying to do, but the way you have suggested it actually made it more broken, not less. Combining professions within the talent system or otherwise is not okay. Period.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:54 pm
Luo1304 Hinote Tosatsu iSuperKamiTenchi-kun ((Adapting to Hinote's suggestions through PM.)) Username: Super Kami Tenchi
RPC Name: Hasaki Ryouken
RPC Rank: Genin
Bloodline/Clan/Demon: N/A
Profession: Weapon Master
Ninja Types: Tactical / Speed
Talent Description: Valiant: Hasaki can learn Custom Tai and Buki styles at Gennin rank.
Talent Sacrifice: He learns Ninjutsu and Genjutsu as though he was one rank lower.
How it happened: Masaki has a unique body. It cannot properly utilize ninjutsu or genjutsu. He has, in counter, become an adept of combat. He has become keen in the use of weapons and physical warfare. He has pushed the limits time and time again to surpass others who believe themselves better taijutsuists or bukijutsuists.You should probably edit the bonus to learn techniques, rather than expressly styles. Firstly for the reasons I mentioned before, that you could learn techniques individually, but a style would cost a lump sum, but also because techniques can be created outside of a style as well. The ability to learn custom styles at genin won't do you much good when you might not have that much money until chuunin or some such thing. Edit: I forgot to mention this... Please change "Buki" mentions to "Weapon". While others guilds might, POTS has never referred to weapon techniques and styles as Bukijutsu, and that could become an area of confusion as a result.Besides that though, and even with the edit suggested, I'll say - The name in the background bit is still wrong though. @Tenchi: Honestly, your former application had far more compensation for your talent than this one does. It isn't necessarily your fault that this was changed in your application, I just wanted to mention it to you before I said what I need to. @Hinote: As you reserve the right to allow any talent, I reserve the right to deny any talent I see fit. What you did was take an already balanced application and make it by far unbalanced. What his application seemed to emulate, was a Tai/Bukijutsu oriented character whose focus was more on speed than strength. By sacrificing nin/genjutsu it completely made sense that the balance to that sacrifice would be his taijutsu and weapon proficiency. What you have done, is given him the potential for a Rock Lee-like RPC with ninjutsu. I'm highly, HIGHLY opposed to this. Furthermore, the talent system should NOT be used to attempt to combine professions. This completely undermines the profession system and puts into question the point of us creating it and separating it in that way if you can just walk in here and take the best two parts of a profession for such a minimal sacrifice. I like what Tenchi is trying to do, but the way you have suggested it actually made it more broken, not less. Combining professions within the talent system or otherwise is not okay. Period. You're misunderstanding something here, and I'm not sure what it is... I would not approve any talent with a bonus of the sort in your example. The original talent he applied for I found myself split on, because it allowed for bonuses outside of his profession. Thus, I suggested the dual profession possibility. This is a possibility that I would ONLY allow with major sacrifices and limitations. After further thought on the matter, (And confusing myself in the process I will admit.) I suggested to him that it might be a better idea to simply go for the customs instead, as it is possible, likely even, that profession updates will cover his wishes from the original talent anyways, to some degree. The talent I approved however, is nowhere near the level of power you are claiming in your post. He gains the ability to learn customs of a limited type, at genin rank. An ability normally only given to chuunin, for a loss of learning speed in other areas. Admittedly it doesn't have the same feel as the other ones, but it doesn't exactly seem to be on "Ninjutsu using Rock Lee" levels to me.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:15 pm
Username:
TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
RPC Name:
Raphael Saki
RPC Rank:
D
Bloodline/Clan/Demon:
Nara
Profession:
Sealing
Ninja Types:
Speed Shinobi, Tactical Ninja
Talent Description:
Fuuinjutsu is the only path: He accepted his weakness in most shinobi aspects, and has instead learned of his true strengths. This allows Raphael to use seals a single rank above his own after learning them.
Kage Kuchiyose: When utilizing the Kuchiyose technique, he can use it in conjunction with his Shadow Imitation technique, allowing him to summon something from his own shadow. ( This allows him to use Shadow imitation in the same post as Kuchiyose in order to summon the targeted summon in an area where he can't see, or where he can't go. This does not allow him to stick someone with the imitation technique and then beat them senseless with the summon. )
Nara Pride: Long had Raphael neglected the Nara side of his family, but not after learning he was so gifted in it's arts. Through his renewed pride in the Nara techniques, he is now capable of utilizing techniques above his rank as if they were his own rank. ( Cuts chakra costs for Nara techniques to one rank lower. )
Talent Sacrifice:
Inept:
Raphael has accepted the fact he will never be a good wielder of his own chakra beyond shadow techniques. He is completely unable to use any ninjutsu or genjutsu other than Nara clan techniques and Kuchiyose jutsu for use with the Shadow Summon.
How it happened:
After spending time with his own inner shadows, Raphael has learned of a hidden truth to his own existence. Through this truth he has expanded his ability to utilize both Seals and his own Shadows as a Nara.
This Talent will not take effect until Raphael turns to C/B rank and returns from his self imposed detoxification of society. The process will take 1 IRL week, and he'll be obtaining the Shadow Summoning style while doing this. ( Not entirely sure if I'll do it after C rank or after B rank. )
If any of it needs clarification, I'll try to get to it as soon as I can.
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