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 Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:47 pm
Choose not to believe? You don't believe anything when you are born into this world.
Looks like people make their decision to believe in something up in the clouds. Go ahead though. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and live my life for myself, my boyfriend, and to better help humanity, thank you.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:42 pm
piratemage12 pirate Hey. new here. I'm a christian, and I don't go to church or have my nose stuck in the Bible all the time. I'm no paranoid obsessive nerd like ned flanders. but I believe that there is a god that created us and everything in the universe. I don't think the big bang explains the beauty of a sunrise with all the pinks and oranges and lavender colors, nor the beauty of the stars and the moon at night. Something must be behind this beauty, must've made that for us to marvel at. I can't quote from the bible or anything like I've seen some of you guys do. But I believe that there is a heaven where you go when you have lived a life of honesty and the rest. And a hell when you do exactly the opposite. To the atheists, i wonder why you choose not to believe in god? isn't it nice to think that there's someone up there who loves you more than anyone or anything else can love? isn't it nice to know there is a place to go after you die where you can live in eternal happiness? A reason to live? Riddle me this. But I respect your beliefs and i won't try to shove a bible up your nose and tell you you're living a lie. No, i won't do that. And i expect you do the same. I expect that you respect my beliefs and others, and that you don't go about downing people who aren't atheists are trying to make them one. It's up to them. That is all I have to say. GO GREEN! THIS PLANET'S ALL WE HAVE!
You stated that something must be behind beauty, be it the sunrise or the little neat things.
Go somewhere and look for the best rock you can find.
Now, this rock is small and easy to hold and is extremely smooth to the touch. Can you say it is amazing because GOD made this rock or that erosion shaped it to it's beauty?
Furthermore, what is beauty? It is what we take in to exist.
Because something looks cool, doesn't mean it had to be created by a higher power.
EDIT: I noticed you gave credit to God creating the beautiful things in life, but if you credit him for the good then why not the bad?
Would you feel the same if you look at a Roach?
What about if you look at Haiti after an earthquake?
An aborted fetus?
I just wanted to point out that if you have an artist, you can't just score him by what is good in his work.
Since you are looking at God being an artist, the same goes.
He painted a rainbow but he also added the part where thousands of Jewish believers died under it because of their beliefs.
You go on to say that Atheists must believe in 'God' because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.
A.) This is not always the case and is considered an opinion since it doesn't always make you feel happy.
B.) Some people, like myself, rather take the sensible than a fairy tale.
Remember the movie made by James Chameroon, Avatar?
Many wanted to believe a world like that existed.
However, if you did, wouldn't you be considered crazy?
From lack of evidence you would.
Now for respect of beliefs, can I disrespect your beliefs if you have disrespected mine? You may not have thought about it, but not only have you called Atheism a belief without rewards (Therefor worthless.) but also called the believers people who usually don't respect others. I'm not saying you said this exactly, but your words in the later post suggests this.
To your last sentence.....that was random.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:24 pm
I know. random. but important. So people who aren't green, GET green.
Sigh... You know something? Animals don't fight about things like race and religion. they don't look at an animal of another species and hate them because they're not of their species, and they don't HAVE a religion to fight about. They don't go around killing their own kind like humans do, over the silly things we fight about. Let's all be like the animals, huh? I'm sick of all this fighting and hate.
I think just because something seems impossible, like there being a God and a heaven, doesn't mean it is. Just because the human mind can't begin to contemplate something, like the vastness of the universe, doesn't mean that the universe has and end or doesn't. I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it.
CAKE BATTER IS TASTY!!
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:50 pm
piratemage12 I know. random. but important. So people who aren't green, GET green. Sigh... You know something? Animals don't fight about things like race and religion. they don't look at an animal of another species and hate them because they're not of their species, and they don't HAVE a religion to fight about. They don't go around killing their own kind like humans do, over the silly things we fight about. Let's all be like the animals, huh? I'm sick of all this fighting and hate. I think just because something seems impossible, like there being a God and a heaven, doesn't mean it is. Just because the human mind can't begin to contemplate something, like the vastness of the universe, doesn't mean that the universe has and end or doesn't. I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it. CAKE BATTER IS TASTY!! Did you seriously just confuse the Big Bang Theory with the Theory of Evolution?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:35 pm
piratemage12 I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it. You have absolutely no understanding of the big bang theory, or the theory of evolution. Why do you dismiss them then?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:13 pm
piratemage12 I know. random. but important. So people who aren't green, GET green. Sigh... You know something? Animals don't fight about things like race and religion. they don't look at an animal of another species and hate them because they're not of their species, and they don't HAVE a religion to fight about. They don't go around killing their own kind like humans do, over the silly things we fight about. Let's all be like the animals, huh? I'm sick of all this fighting and hate. I think just because something seems impossible, like there being a God and a heaven, doesn't mean it is. Just because the human mind can't begin to contemplate something, like the vastness of the universe, doesn't mean that the universe has and end or doesn't. I don't believe in evolution because I don't think that a bunch of dust particles or whatever came together and exploded into what's now the universe. I'm thinking, what created the dust that exploded? Things aren't just THERE. But hey? I never studied up on evolution so I can't really say anything. So atheists, inform me on the theory of evolution so I may better understand it. CAKE BATTER IS TASTY!!
Second, animals do fight over their kind ALL the time, just not over religion.
Have you ever seen a cat meet another cat?
Do they shake hands and hit the mall?
Besides, fighting and hate, as you confessed, is caused by religion?
So doesn't that tell you not to believe in religion? neutral
Lastly, I would inform you on evolution if you described Evolution.
If I recall, the theory your talking about, which you incorrectly described, is called The Big Bang.
But hey, why should you say you should not believe in something like dust particles colliding together?
As I recall you saying,
" Just because the mind can't comprehend it, doesn't mean it is impossible."
In a way, it is true. But it gives us an idea to research it and probably see if it isn't true.
But no, I wont inform you on the theory of Evolution or the theory of the Big Bang.
Go research it, I'm not going to spend my time telling you what you should have researched before thinking it is impossible.
So go look it up because I'm not being Santa Claus right now.
Also, randomness ISN'T needed to get a point across. ._________.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:54 pm
Distorted_Image Choose not to believe? You don't believe anything when you are born into this world. Looks like people make their decision to believe in something up in the clouds. Go ahead though. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and live my life for myself, my boyfriend, and to better help humanity, thank you. I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:12 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Distorted_Image Choose not to believe? You don't believe anything when you are born into this world. Looks like people make their decision to believe in something up in the clouds. Go ahead though. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and live my life for myself, my boyfriend, and to better help humanity, thank you. I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God?
Because it does what it is suppose to do.
People get addicted to food because it was meant to taste good and people get addicted to drugs because it makes them feel good.
I could say the same for religion and how it works, mostly because it makes people feel good.
I would also like to say as much as you believe something, telling people your personal experiences wont do much.
Mostly because they can't believe what you feel is correct and many other things. Besides, we are talking babies and not kids here. Kids can believe in religion, not babies.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:14 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. At what age was that? And I wasn't brought up in a religious family, except for my grandmother, but I wasn't told that there was no god or anything like that. Religion was simply a non-issue. And I have never felt anything that I would say was divine in origin. I do remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about my grandmother having a guy nailed to a cross in her living room (but that's understandable). Why is that? Doesn't god like me? xxEternallyBluexx And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God? Why does it have to matter then? Isn't now enough?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:23 pm
Artto xxEternallyBluexx I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. At what age was that? And I wasn't brought up in a religious family, except for my grandmother, but I wasn't told that there was no god or anything like that. Religion was simply a non-issue. And I have never felt anything that I would say was divine in origin. I do remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about my grandmother having a guy nailed to a cross in her living room (but that's understandable). Why is that? Doesn't god like me? xxEternallyBluexx And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God? Why does it have to matter then? Isn't now enough? I think I was two and a half, maybe younger... And it's not about religion, but having a relationship with God. I think we're born with it, but religion's our way of getting it back. Now's not enough reason to live. Besides, when you can have eternity, why would you settle for now?
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:27 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. At what age was that? And I wasn't brought up in a religious family, except for my grandmother, but I wasn't told that there was no god or anything like that. Religion was simply a non-issue. And I have never felt anything that I would say was divine in origin. I do remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about my grandmother having a guy nailed to a cross in her living room (but that's understandable). Why is that? Doesn't god like me? xxEternallyBluexx And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God? Why does it have to matter then? Isn't now enough? Now's not enough reason to live. Besides, when you can have eternity, why would you settle for now?
* I mean the belief in religion, not the religion itself. Meaning them not knowing. *
We live for the now because living IS now.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:28 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Distorted_Image Choose not to believe? You don't believe anything when you are born into this world. Looks like people make their decision to believe in something up in the clouds. Go ahead though. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and live my life for myself, my boyfriend, and to better help humanity, thank you. I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God?
Because it does what it is suppose to do.
People get addicted to food because it was meant to taste good and people get addicted to drugs because it makes them feel good.
I could say the same for religion and how it works, mostly because it makes people feel good.
I would also like to say as much as you believe something, telling people your personal experiences wont do much.
Mostly because they can't believe what you feel is correct and many other things. Besides, we are talking babies and not kids here. Kids can believe in religion, not babies.Fine then. What are the consequences of being addicted to religion? Besides if it's something we need to feel good and we need to eat. Does that mean we need religion too? You can ignore personal testimony, but that doesn't mean it's less valid. There's more then one way to make an argument, and testimony is one of them. I think I was more like a toddler. It's somewhere right out of babyhood where you lose Him, I think.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:38 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Distorted_Image Choose not to believe? You don't believe anything when you are born into this world. Looks like people make their decision to believe in something up in the clouds. Go ahead though. I prefer to keep my feet on the ground and live my life for myself, my boyfriend, and to better help humanity, thank you. I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God?
Because it does what it is suppose to do.
People get addicted to food because it was meant to taste good and people get addicted to drugs because it makes them feel good.
I could say the same for religion and how it works, mostly because it makes people feel good.
I would also like to say as much as you believe something, telling people your personal experiences wont do much.
Mostly because they can't believe what you feel is correct and many other things. Besides, we are talking babies and not kids here. Kids can believe in religion, not babies.Fine then. What are the consequences of being addicted to religion? Besides if it's something we need to feel good and we need to eat. Does that mean we need religion too? You can ignore personal testimony, but that doesn't mean it's less valid. There's more then one way to make an argument, and testimony is one of them. I think I was more like a toddler. It's somewhere right out of babyhood where you lose Him, I think.
Drugs like Herion work because they give a good feeling.
Religion feels good because they supply hope.
But what is hope without belief?
You can't believe without having some kind of faith.
Personal testimony is ignored because it just can't make sense. Personal testimony is usually used because you can't explain something so you tell it how you took it in.
A girl tried to tell me she had a ghost in her house, her dad was Big Foot, and her teacher was a vampire. She tried telling me in an Atheist guild we are in. Problem is, she actually believed it.
Are you going to believe it because she told you?
Hell no, she has no proof except for what she experienced.
There was a story called the Tell-Tale Heart by Edgar Allen Poe.
The story mainly talks of how just because there is a narrator, doesn't mean he/she is reliable.
Your right though, there is more then one way to make an argument. Testimony, however, is what starts an argument. It doesn't end it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:48 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. At what age was that? And I wasn't brought up in a religious family, except for my grandmother, but I wasn't told that there was no god or anything like that. Religion was simply a non-issue. And I have never felt anything that I would say was divine in origin. I do remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about my grandmother having a guy nailed to a cross in her living room (but that's understandable). Why is that? Doesn't god like me? xxEternallyBluexx And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God? Why does it have to matter then? Isn't now enough? Now's not enough reason to live. Besides, when you can have eternity, why would you settle for now?
* I mean the belief in religion, not the religion itself. Meaning them not knowing. *
We live for the now because living IS now.And I would have come to the same conclusion that life isn't going anywhere, so death is a great way out.
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:50 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx I'd disagree with that statement. I think babies know God, because I distincly remember feeling really upset like I'd just lost someone the first time I sinned. At what age was that? And I wasn't brought up in a religious family, except for my grandmother, but I wasn't told that there was no god or anything like that. Religion was simply a non-issue. And I have never felt anything that I would say was divine in origin. I do remember feeling a bit uncomfortable about my grandmother having a guy nailed to a cross in her living room (but that's understandable). Why is that? Doesn't god like me? xxEternallyBluexx And in 2000/(add on as many 0's as you like) years is any of that gonna mean squat if there's no God? Why does it have to matter then? Isn't now enough? Now's not enough reason to live. Besides, when you can have eternity, why would you settle for now?
* I mean the belief in religion, not the religion itself. Meaning them not knowing. *
We live for the now because living IS now.And I would have come to the same conclusion that life isn't going anywhere, so death is a great way out.
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