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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:35 pm
So wanting the rules enforced is a petty grievance.
You could've just said that from the offset.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:44 pm
First, thank you maxi.
Second, as per the battle deal with Ultimate levels.
That makes alot of this guild interesting to some people. There are those who cower in a corner and fear everything in this guild, but when you roleplay around people that have the skill alot of people in this guild have, the language, styles, and vocabulary, you pick it up. Intimidating? yes, but what happens when you run into someone like that later down the line. They aren't as intimidating and it's more of a fight. This takes all the aspects of roleplaying, shoves it into one big, problematic, mess.
I prefer fighting someone like Maximos, who is in his prime and I use it as a baseline, I fight him and I have fun, I don't cry because I can't win, I fight him to the best of my ability, and learn from what goes wrong. I mean, last fight I think he cut one of my arms off then killed me. But it was fun, roleplaying isn't about ruling the Gaian universe, it's about having fun, so complaining that someone is too strong means one thing. Avoid them, lacking a better example, if you are unarmed you don't pick on the big guy with roid rage, you find the one your size and bash them around till you can beat the Strong guy.
If your character never gets that strong, you better damn well make them smarter. Because anyone can be beat in this game if you fight the right way, use the right attacks at the right time, it's not like anyone in this guild absolutely refuses to take damage, you can wear out a fighter just pay attention instead of trying to muscle through everything.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:46 pm
First order of business, me laughing hysterically at some of the comments.
Second order, me wiping myself and calming down.
Third order... High tiered characters in my roleplay guild? BWAAAAAAAAH.
Otherwise translated as; Should there have been chicken tenders instead of fries?
Should everyone be forced to play at a low level? I mean, there certainly are a variety of player characters to be found in the Levi universe, both combat oriented and non-combat oriented.
Some people like to talk and explore, others to ruin the s**t out of other people while beating them to death with their arm.
I personally love fighting, and 'storytelling'. I love painting visual images for people when they read my small or large posts.
As it is... not to be blunt-- but guild wide.. all storylines or events have come from basically me, Josh or B.
A few side sub plots of cool interest coming from Ryugi, Maximos, even Hugin, but thats about it.
Complaints about not being involved to a significant degree in an ongoing plot...well, there is no such thing as a 'closed pool' with me. Never has been in anything I've done.
As for difficulty level...well it depends on the person in charge, but its not like people are being forced to fail or die or whatever.
As Josh has stated a bit already, some of the people complaining just don't really try.
And there's also the thing that Sun mentioned, people becoming dependent on certain people to continue stuff or hold hands or whatever.
I don't consider Vahn to be a powerhouse, elite, top tier or whatever.
I have won and lost my share of fights, and I don't concern myself with being the best fighter or whatever.
So people lobbing me in like that obviously have never roleplayed with me and are just talking out their a**.
Of course I'll probably just be written off as being a jerk since apparently I'm not liked in the polls right now.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:24 am
to chris's credit, he did im me and ask me to contact josh to see what it was about. -shrugs- by now... i don't know. the issue's gone and unfortunately, we can do is tell josh not to delete posts without someone else knowing.
because we're a kindler, gentler mod staff. here, have some ice cream.
kindly /r/ that issue be dropped, with us all acknowledging that akira's gotta be popped on the nose when he talks about chris... or reiko, just out of the blue like he does. currently, there's no evidence to prove that the post was sound or errant, unless maxi DID actually see it... then woo-cha.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:08 am
:snickers: And for some unknown reason, I usually get added to Akira's list as well, least we forget. Mind you, half the time it goes over my head, so there ya go.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:04 pm
Ryugi Kazamaru I believe Kana is saying that the plot of that event is going to be dictated by the actions of the "Hero Characters" while everyone else is ignored, laughed at, or stomped out, due to the overwhealming power of the enemies that everyone is bound to face, and the idea that the "Hero Characters" will be directing the flow. Isn't that what usually happens in a story? The hero(es) save the day. This is not a new concept. Superman saves the day.. not Lois Lane. What is with people and avoiding personal responsibility for their status in such things? If you wanna be the hero be the muuhhfukin hero. If you don't then you wont. If your character isn't equipped to fight a certain person or persons.. then you shouldn't be fighting them. Or be in the vicinity of them if they are hostile.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:07 pm
Damian Felheart An attitude like that doesn't leave much room for a learning curve, though. Not everyone is born being able to do this stuff and do it well. Why should anyone else have to downgrade themselves for someone else? The only way to get it right is to get it wrong.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:29 pm
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Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:16 pm
Vahn Kyonuske As it is... not to be blunt-- but guild wide.. all storylines or events have come from basically me, Josh or B. A few side sub plots of cool interest coming from Ryugi, Maximos, even Hugin, but thats about it. I've got to defend myself here... I help pop out with planning and things, but seldom do any real GMing for the guild-wide stuff. The GMing mostly seems to come from: - Ed (for epic quests) - B (for NPC invasions, abductions) - Maxi (but usually in self-contained character advancement plots rather than guild-wide stuff) - Ryugi (for his posse) - Hugin (for the GSF stuff). Edwin Complaints about not being involved to a significant degree in an ongoing plot...well, there is no such thing as a 'closed pool' with me. IMHO that complaint seems to be significantly influenced by the fact that she feels you've been giving her the cold shoulder, specifically, as of late. "Please be kind, rewi-" no, not that one... "Do unto others as-" no, not quite... "Separation of church and sta-" no, but getting closer... "Be a friend"? ...I give up. It's something like that. Sometimes people have disagreements or falling outs between themselves and it kind of makes big gaps in the RPing... Examples being Maxi's constant death threats on Ryugi... or Maxi's constant death threats on Tomm... or- Hell, Maxi <******** people up when there's an argument. It shouldn't make a huge problem for anyone, though. If it's just choosing not to RP with that person, that's one thing. If you run an open event, it just kind of needs to be put aside for a while so everyone can have fun. Vahn As for difficulty level...well it depends on the person in charge, but its not like people are being forced to fail or die or whatever. As previously stated: Baldwin is HARD MODE.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:39 am
Mr. Crawley Ryugi Kazamaru I believe Kana is saying that the plot of that event is going to be dictated by the actions of the "Hero Characters" while everyone else is ignored, laughed at, or stomped out, due to the overwhealming power of the enemies that everyone is bound to face, and the idea that the "Hero Characters" will be directing the flow. Isn't that what usually happens in a story? The hero(es) save the day. This is not a new concept. Superman saves the day.. not Lois Lane. What is with people and avoiding personal responsibility for their status in such things? If you wanna be the hero be the muuhhfukin hero. If you don't then you wont. If your character isn't equipped to fight a certain person or persons.. then you shouldn't be fighting them. Or be in the vicinity of them if they are hostile. You have no idea how much hope that instilled in me. No idea whatsoever. Jello As previously stated: Baldwin is HARD MODE IMHO, Nightmare mode - You twitch, you die.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:02 am
*Arrives in time to piss people off again* Literates V.S. Elites. Literate is good, Elite is bad. Most members here are literate. They know how to write and follow basic common sense social conventions that allow interactive writing to take place. When a literate RPer dismisses someone who can't write, doesn't make any sense, uses wrong science to justify an action, or refuses to even try to follow any common sense RP conventions, they are simply being literate. It is impossible for illiterates and literates to coexist in this environment, and that's just plain fact. Literates, you know who you are. The Elites. Elites are those simply ignore, put down, or deride other literate member for any given reason. Elites will congregate in chosen cliques and shut everyone else out. They will attempt to justify their actions against fellow literates by dismissing new idea or attacking the style or way they RP instead of working on a way to interact with them in character. If an unaccepted literate makes a mistake, the elite will first demean and then use it has an excuse to ignore them. Elites acknowledge the writing of no one but themselves and their chosen cliques. Nobody else will ever meet their standards. They are the kind of people your character says hi too and they pretend you don't exist. They do not accept new literate players and are not open to any idea that conflicts with their favored style of RP. Elites, you know who you are. I think this guild has a problem with elitism, I said it before. I don't know how bad it is, but it exists. Sorry Maxi, there is some elitism here, the bad kind. Soul Searching time. Obligatory Japanese Manga Reference: 
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:07 pm
MerDefsGirl When a literate RPer dismisses someone who can't write, doesn't make any sense, uses wrong science to justify an action, or refuses to even try to follow any common sense RP conventions, they are simply being literate. It is impossible for illiterates and literates to coexist in this environment, and that's just plain fact. I disagree. This alone puts up a sort of "semi-elitism". I know the stadium has some standards, and tries not to take people who are going to cause massive problem and have never RP'ed before into the guild- or at least such is the impression I get- but it's better to talk to people and exchange opinions. Let them know what bothers you, be open, and if they are too you can work something out. If one or other or both of the two involved are not, then you come to either bringing in outside parties to try and resolve it, or simply doing so- as a last resort, only, I would suggest. Otherwise they just look at you and think you are the elite snob for blowing them off without a word. And essentially, they'd be correct. Roleplaying in the Leviathan version of the common Gaian version of play-by-post or whatever the phrase Ed used was is not necessarily the only way of roleplaying through posting, which is not a born skill to begin with. You want to teach people without telling them "you're inferior, do it this way". It takes letting them know how what they're doing can cause problems for other people and asking them to try the way that's commonly accepted instead. This won't necessarily always work, but it depends on the people in any case. I just think it'd be better to gain a new member that you work with getting into the stadium than to gain a new problem and another person outside who thinks of the stadium as an elitist clique- because there are people who do, some rather "literate". That's all I really wanted to say, beyond that I am not sure you stated exactly what you're disputing entirely clearly. Almost seems more something for the suggestion box as it is currently written.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:00 pm
I'm failing to see the difference between this: MerDefsGirl When a literate RPer dismisses someone who can't write, doesn't make any sense, uses wrong science to justify an action, or refuses to even try to follow any common sense RP conventions, they are simply being literate. It is impossible for illiterates and literates to coexist in this environment, and that's just plain fact.And this: MerDefsGirl Elites are those simply ignore, put down, or deride other literate member for any given reason. Elites will congregate in chosen cliques and shut everyone else out. They will attempt to justify their actions against fellow literates by dismissing new idea or attacking the style or way they RP instead of working on a way to interact with them in character. If an unaccepted literate makes a mistake, the elite will first demean and then use it has an excuse to ignore them. Elites acknowledge the writing of no one but themselves and their chosen cliques. Nobody else will ever meet their standards. They are the kind of people your character says hi too and they pretend you don't exist. They do not accept new literate players and are not open to any idea that conflicts with their favored style of RP.I think what you were getting at is this: Roleplayer: One who roleplays because they enjoy doing so. They are open to roleplaying with anyone that wouldn't result in an argument or complications, because that just ruins the fun for everyone and thusly makes the entire thing pointless. If someone is having trouble with their writing or their logic, a roleplayer is always willing to offer advice (though it may or may not be good advice). When new people (newbies) are introduced into an established roleplaying environment, the veterans (oldbies) tend to attempt to educate the new player in the local customs (house rules). Dickwad: One who berates others and justifies it by saying things like "he's an idiot", "he's an a*****e", "we don't appreciate your kind 'round here", etc. More often than not these people call themselves 'literates' in an attempt to place themselves in higher standing, while referring to others like them as 'elitists', which is a derogatory term. Semi-literate: A made-up term that people use to classify roleplaying posts that are longer than one sentence but usually shorter than two paragraphs. Usually devoid of proper grammar and punctuation, capitalization, and riddled with spelling errors. Sometimes uses colored text to separate words and action, sometimes doesn't separate at all, never uses quotation marks. These people had to repeat English in the third grade... seven times.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:25 pm
There's a difference. Literates are willing help people who are willing to learn and willing to discuss their problems.
You didn't describe a role-player, you described a type of RolePlayer. Anyone can be a role-player, people who can barely read can roleplay, albiet painfully poorly. You described a literate in your summation of RPer.
Few people are going to call outright call themselves an elitist in the sense I described.
You described an illiterate in your definition of Semi-literate.
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:15 pm
I rest my case.
Now keep vocabulary arguments out of the dispute thread.
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