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 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:18 pm
To be honest, I really didn't want to do this. However it has made it clear to me that the guild in a whole cannot be big enough to let things go... Law Enforcers primary duty is to stop arguements, not fan the flames of ones already in motion. The cycle in which changes these law enforcers are also flawed, mainly due to everyone not being active all the time due to other issues. To be honest, making strikes to fend off and kick guild members out is also a horrible idea, because in the end what do you have? A small amount of members trying to run a guild filled with laws. I motion, not only to get rid of the Law Enforcements but to also place a new order of mediation. A 3/4's vote from the council to appoint certain individual(s) to handle issues between two or more guild members. To be honest, I'd rather not have this guild divided up because of the arguments. I know Redd is really close to leaving, and to be honest, at this point, so am I. So please tell me your views on the matter
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:24 pm
At this time and due to things that more then one of you know about, I'm not going to vote on this. Yes I agree with what Zoro is stating but in my current mindset I don't believe I'll be able to really give a good and decent opinion. I'm sorry.
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:11 pm
Right now I am not sure I have not seen this in motion or been on enough lately due to personal reasons to make a decision on this. So for now I shall stay Abstain in this.
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:14 pm
I told Zoro if he doesn't want this, then he can have a vote to end the Law Enforcers, but in all honesty I am truly close to just leaving the guild and either promoting Kage or Tystra for your captain and leaving. I want to stay friends with you all, but if the guild does continue the path it is on with all of you just arguing, and nothing getting done, as well as blaming me for turning this guild into the G.E., which honestly we are absolutely nothing like them, I will leave, I am pretty much at a point where I am done.
I have seen a few of you do this before, and return, however if I leave I will not return to S.U., or SROTS, and that is a fact.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:03 am
I vote no, and I have to agree with Redd on this one. Everyone has been arguing because Redd, myself, and Kage have discussed things that seemed to be a better change for the entire guild. Some of the crew, not saying who, have gotten mad about these changes because it resembles others. Seriously, its annoying. Get over some things about other guilds and just look at whats best for the entire guild, not for yourself.
Redd, as a side note, if you gave the guild to me or Kage...I don't know if I should thank you or be upset. Yes, you have been the moderator of most of this conflict and I feel bad for you having to do that. I would feel honored myself, but I would also be feeling that with you gone, this guild won't be the same. Whatever you decide to do, I will support your decision, and you have known this ever since me and you became friends.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:40 am
I'm torn about actually voting in this right now. Partially because I don't feel like what I have to say holds any weight with the people in this guild, and partially because I know that several people will be unhappy with my opinion. Regardless, I'm going to speak my mind as best I can and as clearly as I can.
Its our own faults that we ended up in a situation where there was the need for law enforcement...we all have been nothing but rude to each other and critical, and not trusting...the opposite of what a family should be. I've personally watched as people belittled and questioned Redd, and the Vice Captains and it makes me sick. I care not about myself, but knowing the three of them and where they stand. They only want the best for this guild and they want to see it succeed...And we keep ruining it for everyone else because of petty disagreements and 'traditions'. Traditions should NEVER be a reason for family to be at odds with each other. Nor should differing pasts be a reason to split people.
Because of how I feel about all of this, its kinda everyone's fault that the law enforcement was brought into effect. Agree or disagree, I don't really care. I vote no to removing the Law Enforcement. We obviously need it if we can never resolve our issues peaceably.
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:06 am
I agree fully with Redd Ty and Bri. The law enforcement group is there to help solve arguements peacefully.
I know that with every arguement I've been in recently I feel super bad cause it goes against what the leaders of the guild want for SU. A family that constantly fights is not what anyone wants. The LE group is there to help stop all the fights and reconnect us all as one big happy family. When fights happen I'm sure the people involved never meant or intended to start drama with what they say, atleast I never mean to. Most of the time I am scared to speak what is truly going on in my mind and how I feel or what I think on things for fear of causing some kind of fight that I never wanted to be in to begin with.
That feeling alone shows me that the family unit is a fantasy in SU right now. Families support and listen to each other and when people have differing opinions they talk it out and in the end either agree with one thing or agree to disagree. It never splits them up.
Families also don't lable or segregate each other. No matter where people come from or where they are now they all are still family. To think otherwise is like saying an adoptive child isn't really apart of the family because they are not blood related. Not all of us share the same blood but I'm sure we all share the same drive to see this guild grow and thrive rather than die and perish under all the petty disagreements we have.
In short I vote NO on getting rid of the LE group. It is obvious we can't handle our arguements peacefully on our own and the LE group is fair and unbiased when deciding things within arguements. They are needed and until we prove they aren't I don't believe they should be taken away.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:43 am
I can see where all of you are coming from, the fact that the guild should and used to be a family who could speak their minds no matter what and still get along is a very good thing. However, that's more reason to get this system out of the guild. Some people need to argue in order to understand other people, some people just come off as instigators or jerks. For us to judge people for these actions are unacceptable, when we should learn to get along more than anything. We have done it before, in a time where we rarely got into arguments in the first place but always seemed to resolve them in the end. There is not need for the Law Enforcement, especially when certain individuals in themselves only add oil to the flames and are completely biased.
I also do not think that disagree with those that are of higher ranks than you is "belittling" or "disrespecting." We all preach about being able to say what you want to say, so why can't we like different things in our chain of command. The superiors that I work with are completely retarded, and this pertains to my job not here, and do things that would never be done in order to compete with other units. To be honest, I'd rather just have things nice and chill. I agree some things need to change, but changing anything drastically will cause uproar within the masses. To be honest, changing the guild to look better for new recruits is always a good thing, but one should always look out for the ones under him/herself. Keeping them informed is also a good thing. There have been times where I have no idea what's going on and I'm not sure if I should help or not. This also shouldn't stop at crew, our members should also have a right to have all their questions answered and helped, especially if we know they will be joining us. I think we should all become more effective LEADERS if we are to LEAD others in this guild.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:59 am
I agree with you on the leader thing 100% Zoro but all of that has nothing to do with the LE Group. The LE group just started and has handled only one case. Why not give the group the chance it deserves instead of wanting to get rid of it so quickly? I can easily say that I have seen and sadly been apart of arguements that can't be solved by the two or more involved by themselves and do need outside help to resolve them. The LE group is perfect for that and the faster they help solve the problem, the faster all members can get back to more important things for the guild.
The LE group doesn't hinder anything leadership related. It doesn't stop members from asking questions or voicing themselves. It doesn't stop members from doing their jobs in leading, guiding, and helping the guild members. All it does is help stop the fighting where individuals can't do it themselves.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:55 pm
With more votes of no then yes, this vote isn't passed
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