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 Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:22 pm
How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit"
I have no religion..
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:42 pm
You don't have to worship God in the Christian way, as you're describing.
Religion, and worship, were originally ways to explain why we exist, why the Earth exists. The reason I believe in a higher power is because if there was no great above power, why would we exist? Why would the Universe be here? There could easily just be nothing.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:47 pm
As Anticupid16 said, you don't have to worship the Abramatic god, you don't even have to worship a god at all. If you don't believe then you don't believe and there's nothing wrong with that. No one's making you.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:39 pm
With those who do believe in the Abrahamic God, they rely on faith, which to them is the evidence of things not seen and the assurance of things hoped for.
But then again, no one is saying you have to worship God either.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:33 pm
iiKeyokuii How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit" I have no religion.. G-d by definition would be unprovable. But as for that whole 3 people as one god thing goes, I don't know how that's supposed to work; that's a Christian thing.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:45 pm
iiKeyokuii How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit" I have no religion.. If you die and there's nothing than there is no 'what if?' there's just nothing (uhhh, except for worm food). What if you die and there is an afterlife? That's an even scarier thought given how many less then pleasant descriptions of possible afterlife's are out there. If you don't believe than you don't believe. If you are looking for those types of answers in science than you are looking in the wrong place since science only deals in what we can test in the natural world. You might want to look into different philosophies on God, they can get interesting and it's the more appropriate field in this case.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:10 pm
See pascal's wager. While it's not perfect, it negates the "what if there's nothing" logic.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:16 pm
Semiremis iiKeyokuii How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit" I have no religion.. If you die and there's nothing than there is no 'what if?' there's just nothing (uhhh, except for worm food). What if you die and there is an afterlife? That's an even scarier thought given how many less then pleasant descriptions of possible afterlife's are out there. If you don't believe than you don't believe. If you are looking for those types of answers in science than you are looking in the wrong place since science only deals in what we can test in the natural world. You might want to look into different philosophies on God, they can get interesting and it's the more appropriate field in this case. *nods* and I agree with what divineseraph said.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:17 pm
It's like Pascal's Wager in reverse!
That is, put simply, if you have any reason to believe that there is a god, you should worship it because you don't want to risk making it angry.
Though if you live your life praying to a god that gives you hope and living like he says you should, give money to those less fortunate, be kind to others, that sort of thing, then is that really such a waste of time/effort?
And if I'm right that you simply stop being conscious when you die and nothing special happens, well you won't really care that you're not going to heaven because you can't care. You're dead.
But from what I understand, faith doesn't have anything to do with logic. It's either an experience that you feel or you don't feel.
But obviously I don't though, so I'm not the best authority on faith.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:23 pm
Lumanny the Space Jew iiKeyokuii How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit" I have no religion.. G-d by definition would be unprovable. But as for that whole 3 people as one god thing goes, I don't know how that's supposed to work; that's a Christian thing. Not all Christians believe in the 3 persons one God thing or the trinity.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:32 pm
You can worship god in anyway you choose. However, what happens if you die and find out god is real...
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:21 pm
Just go with what I do.
" There is two possibilities, afterlife or death.
Either way, I can go along and live a good life with either a good or mutual outcome. Might as well live it up and see if a plane ticket is prepared. "
However, heed my words. Don't screw around in the woods unless you know what's in them, whether it be beavers or bears.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 5:33 am
I don't know if it's completely correct, but to answer the three in one question I think of it as different parts of one thing, such as books in a series. They all tell one story and none would be complete without the others, yet they are separate books. You can also consider St. Patrick's analogy of a clover: It has three leaves, but is still only one plant.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:46 pm
I'm going to add that the holy trinity isn't exclusive to Christianity. There have been many, many religions in which there have been a triple aspect to a God/Deity. If you think of Gods or Deities as people it's a hard concept to grasp. Think of them more as ideas and it makes a bit more sense. Each aspect of the trinity is a different aspect of that idea.
Since the only religious text I'm intimately familiar with is the Tao te Ching I'm going to use that as my example. The Tao te Ching states that the origin of all things is Tao. This is a nameless, formless thing. It gives birth to all and all return to it, but it is impartial to it's creation. It just IS. This is one aspect of the complex spiritual patterns of Taoism. From the Tao emerge Yin and Yang. Yin and Yang are opposing forces, opposites. They are light and dark, male and female, etc. Yin and Yang, though conflicting, rely on each other for existence. Through their conflict, the 'ten thousand', or all things as we know them, are created. Tao, Yin, and Yang are all interconnected...they cover all aspects of reality as we know it. They are an example of a holy trinity in another religion.
I'm not Christian so I can't say this with absolute confidence, but I'm pretty sure it's the same thing for Christians. It's not so much that the holy trinity IS God per se, but that it's the different aspects of the Christian faith that...when worshiped in conjunction...lead one to full spiritual awareness. Something like that anyways.
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Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:52 pm
iiKeyokuii How in the world am I supposed to worship god, when he could possibly not exist. I mean, I could understand if it was scientificly proven that he did exist. But what if I die and there is no afterlife, no reincarnation, or anything...where we are just thrown in a big white box. And how could someone possibly be 3 "people". Because he is supposedly the "father son and holy spirit" I have no religion.. I can't blame you for feeling like that. I'm Christian, from a Roman Catholic background, and I definitely have a hard time understanding the holy trinity. Lateralus has it somewhat right: it is different aspects of the Christian faith that are the trinity. Belief in god is equal to the father, the 'sacrifice for humankind' is the son, and the faith carried into everyday life is the holy spirit. That's just what I can remember from years of catholic education classes (and that was almost 10 years ago). I still don't really understand the son's part in the trinity, but that's another story for another time. I hope my explanation sort-of helped, even if it's not totally correct (I think).
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