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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:14 am
Magick itself is believed both a tool that needs a wielder, and a living force that need be respected by those who use it (sort of reminds me of Excalibur that way...go figure.)
That said, is it true that magick holds such controversy that it can be classified as Black or White based on purpose or usage? Or is it to say that some magick has always been evil, and never been in the gray?
P.S: My sister's a Wiccan...(I think? I dunno, she's living in colledge now, so what do I know?)
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:29 am
It seems rare to use "white" and "black" to mean "good" or "evil" when it comes to magic. I think there are some systems that use the terms to mean other things, and in a more general sense rather than specifically in relation to the magic used in a particular spell. If that makes sense.
Magick, I am told, is a Thelemic concept. I don't recall Crowley mentioning it coming in colours... it would be odd if it did as it is linked to one's Will (which has to do with deity.... or something... or one's overall life fate.... or... something....). One would need to ask a Thelemite for clarification.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:40 am
The Judaism and by extention Christianity view all attempts at magic as playing God or being the work of the Devil. Islam would allow sorcerors apparently, as Egyptians thought that Napoleon's balloonists were just sorcerors and where unimpressed with said balloonist.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:41 am
Well... a lot will depend on how a person is defining magic (or the specific religion/path's definition), but personally magic just is. I know "white" magic that can harm and "black" that can heal, so it is more in the way that it is used that determines it's qualities.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:08 am
MrParaduo P.S: My sister's a Wiccan...(I think? I dunno, she's living in colledge now, so what do I know?) Lineage and age.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:36 am
Black and white are shades.
From what I've experienced, magic doesn't have shades or colors.
To be good or evil, you have to think so yourself. Morals aren't universal, or else everyone would be cannibals since some people think it's perfectly okay.
(btw, magic doesn't come with a K.)
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:25 pm
Actually Magick can be spelled with a K its another way of spelling it although not commonly used and most don't recognize it just like Fairy or Farie both are technically correct even if the dictionary says its incorrect spelling. And i never knew my question about what is White and Black magic would turn into a topic lol. But thanks for everyone's opinion on the subject.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:43 pm
Totrue-Tufaar The Judaism and by extention Christianity view all attempts at magic as playing God or being the work of the Devil. Islam would allow sorcerors apparently, as Egyptians thought that Napoleon's balloonists were just sorcerors and where unimpressed with said balloonist. Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:01 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Totrue-Tufaar The Judaism and by extention Christianity view all attempts at magic as playing God or being the work of the Devil. Islam would allow sorcerors apparently, as Egyptians thought that Napoleon's balloonists were just sorcerors and where unimpressed with said balloonist. Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong. Proof of this?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:34 pm
In Medias Res IV xxEternallyBluexx Totrue-Tufaar The Judaism and by extention Christianity view all attempts at magic as playing God or being the work of the Devil. Islam would allow sorcerors apparently, as Egyptians thought that Napoleon's balloonists were just sorcerors and where unimpressed with said balloonist. Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong. Proof of this? yes please proof??
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:40 pm
Sanguina Cruenta It seems rare to use "white" and "black" to mean "good" or "evil" when it comes to magic. I think there are some systems that use the terms to mean other things, and in a more general sense rather than specifically in relation to the magic used in a particular spell. If that makes sense. Magick, I am told, is a Thelemic concept. I don't recall Crowley mentioning it coming in colours... it would be odd if it did as it is linked to one's Will (which has to do with deity.... or something... or one's overall life fate.... or... something....). One would need to ask a Thelemite for clarification. most interesting, thanks for the thoughts... I had someone today compare white and black to light and dark light magick- purification or blessing dark magick- banishing/ return to sender which was interesting to me..
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:04 pm
Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong.
define witchcraft for me? spirits to control? last time I checked this witch here doesn't use spirits at all. When I hear spirits I think of someone who defines themselves as a necromancer, or uses techniques of the necro type? which includes spirits, I have never heard witchcraft used in such terms. and what is really wrong and what is right?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:14 pm
I don't use the labels. They're racist.
Plus, I always liked the color black better than the color white anyway. So calling "good" stuff "white" (etc.) was kind of oxymoronic for me.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:48 pm
Alayleia86 Quote: Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong. define witchcraft for me? spirits to control? last time I checked this witch here doesn't use spirits at all. When I hear spirits I think of someone who defines themselves as a necromancer, or uses techniques of the necro type? which includes spirits, I have never heard witchcraft used in such terms. and what is really wrong and what is right? Witchcraft encompasses a wide variety of beliefs and practices, and spans any number of cultures, so just because you don't do something (and/or have never heard of it) doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Witches deal with the spirit world, it's a fairly common practice, especially when you look to traditions and cultures that pre-date Wicca (or that haven't been influenced by it).
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 10:00 pm
Alayleia86 Yep. Actually I read that manipulation of people could be considered witchcraft because you were using spirit/s to control them. Things like soul power and guilt trips could be considered wrong. I don't know though, I just know from the Christian point of view, witchcraft is definetely wrong. define witchcraft for me? spirits to control? last time I checked this witch here doesn't use spirits at all. When I hear spirits I think of someone who defines themselves as a necromancer, or uses techniques of the necro type? which includes spirits, I have never heard witchcraft used in such terms. and what is really wrong and what is right? I'm not completely sure about manipulating people being witchcraft but here's a link to two sites with more information: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15674a.htmhttp://www.tpwmi.com/charismaticwitchcraft.htmlI do know according to the Bible witchcraft is wrong. That's how I know it's evil. I guess if you aren't Christian, you have to go by some other moral guide.
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