Welcome to Gaia! ::

From what was discussed on January 19th, 2012, the topic of Vizards being a separate race was brought up in the SU Crew chat. Now, there were also other things brought up as well to make it a system more then a race, bringing some old vizards to train the new ones.

Now, with it being a separate race, One of the things that this helps with is making it fair for anyone to use. In the past, we have had vizards as an exclusive thing for only certain people who were voted on the Vizard Council (Myself, Redd, Dakota, Enshara, Krono, and Glade). Now, it was understood for a long time that this guild was suppose to be different, but at the same time a lot of people didn't get a chance to be what they wanted because of the fact that being a Vizard was voted on.
Another reason for making this a race is to balance out between races so that, in the future, we wouldn't have to bring in systems to try and balance it more. Bringing in more systems could make it difficult, and by other cases confusing, for people to understand what goes on in the guild. I think making it a race and giving its own RCP will eliminate this problem. Of course, we would have to limit kido and some of the abilities, but in my opinion, its better to do that then to make it confusing for new members.

Now for the other idea that was brought up. While in this discussion, Many others (Dakota, Enshara, etc) have stated that they want to keep some sort of trandition to it. So the idea is to make it into a system. Being to where they fill out a profile for Vizard, but then a Vizard judge would judge the profile. Then, one of the original leaders of the Vizards (Me, redd, Enshara, Dakota, or Krono) would train said person in how to not god mod as a Vizard. The leaders of the Vizards would be called the Old Blood while the new ones would be New Blood.

If I have left something out in the second suggestion then please feel free to post in here saying I missed something. Now I will vote myself so that I can explain what I think




I believe that this should be made a race instead of a system. That being because making a system would make to where we would have to even it out with other systems as well. This is a problem we somewhat experienced in Srots and I believe that if we do it as a system, it will reoccur. Not only that, but making it a race will also make it to where members won't feel segregated. I personally love having the choice to be either 1 of the 3 races.

Now of course there is the talk of someone god modding as a Vizard and my thing on that is this, there will always be god modders. If there is a god modder, we do as we always have, tell them what they did wrong and if they continue, disiplinary actions will take place. God modding is the least of my worries with this. If we were to make it a system, it would make it just too confusing and we would have to start back at square one.

Another thing added to that is that I know some of you will say that another guild does this already and I understand your concerns about that but a lot of guilds use Vizard as a race and not a system. I believe we were the only one who did what we did with the vizard race and its just too much limitation.

Now its open for vote so vote Seperate or System on this and please express what you see wrong in any of the two suggestions.

Seperate Race- 3 votes
System- 1 vote
Abstain: 1

Hm... meh. I think I might actually abstain from this. Going through all the trouble to make it a separate race seems like a simple waste of time, while I think the process if becoming a Vizard with the system is equally as ridiculous.

I don't really see the need to teach someone how to rp as a Vizard though. Why not just let them rp as normal and if they screw up, then teach them on where they messed up, like any other role player. Teaching them right of the back makes it seem like the Tamakai system of the Sword Arts. That's why it look more like a system then a race.

Whats funny Enshara is that I am not thinking only from the perspective of a single individual. I am thinking about the new members who come in and would like to try and be a Vizard when they join. Tradition is tradition, but that was Srots. We are in a new guild and new things get brought up. I was part of that tradition Enshara. Hell, I was Vizard before Dakota was if I remember correctly. I understand that tradition. I am thinking from an aspect of the person who comes in and has to jump through hoops to be a certain race. You may think about what we had as tradition, but I am thinking about what will give this guild more success.

Actually Enshara, to correct you, you came up with the second idea. The first idea was something I had brought up to Redd and Kage in private chats a while back when e first started talking about Vizards being a separate race. You talk about me insulting you when you have been the first to throw an insult in this conversation. But of course you will deny that saying that you were stating your observations and such, when all I did in my last post was state my case. This conversation can end, yes, but next time don't ever insinuate that I never think of the other members please. Thank you ^^


Edit- And another point, in my last post I never once said you didn't think about the new members. I stated that they were what I was thinking about, never said you didn't. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I have read through this and in my opinion I think they should be their own race BUT I still like some others want to keep a little tradition in and have the little "Spar" if you will for the creating of the vizard. Once again this is my opinion and I think the idea of having New Blood and Old Blood members is a good idea. But I believe only Old bloods should be able to help in the creation of new Vizards. The only other problem I could see with this is maybe there being too many Vizards this is just a maybe problem for there is no way to be certain but I have seen in other guilds where when Vizards are a race there tend to be almost no Shinigami only Vizards and Arrancar so I think that we should still hold a limit on how many Vizards there can be such as 20 or so.Once again just my thoughts and opinions. So all in all with my opinions and ideas listed I vote for them to be their own Race.

I believe that the Vizards should be a race. This is mainly based off what I have found out about them. If Arranacar is allowed to be a seperate race than hollows, (This was a race at one point, but it was taken down because of so much god modding in the testing fight), then Vizards should be seperate from the Shinigami.

In summery, My Vote is yes

Its not up to me, I'm just stating that I've seen more shinigami in the large guilds than I have of Vizards. There were some that were there, but honestly, when you first join a bleach guild if you aren't as familiar with bleach, being a shinigami is easiest. My first RPC was a Vizard because I really didn't want to be what everyone else was being...and up until recently, I was a Vizard...so I always took note of who was vizards in my squad and who wasn't...there was never more than two maybe three at the most in my squad....sometimes I was the only one. So yea ><; that's all I'm saying.