[OFFICIAL Feedback] Raising the Marketplace Tax

Would you like to see the Marketplace tax increased?

Yes	13.4%	[ 1774 ]
No	71.5%	[ 9474 ]
Yay for neutrality/free gold!	15.1%	[ 1996 ]
Total Votes:			[ 13244 ]

[idk waste more plat]

Can't tell if trolling or serious. Either way sure, if you want to destroy Gaia entirely.

TlGERSTAR

let's kill the avatar system

[Celechiko]

Andromeda Phoenix

No! Just No!
Not everyone on gaia is made of gold. Why are you guys so afraid to make it harder to earn gold in a more legit manner? This whole concern and issue with inflation and what not is staff's fault for even allowing users to make a couple mill in a few days from games like BG and zOMG in the first place! Not every plays those games. *raeg*

Edit:
Lemme give you an example. I and a lot of users I know only make gold selling fish on the MP to users questing rare fish helms or users making philosopher's caches. It takes me a month of fishing 12+ hours a day (average) to make a million gold off those fish. It takes a person playing BG, zOMG or HoC days. It takes someone vending on the MP minutes. Someone doing artwork or something? As long as it takes them to finish their drawing. A person making millions like it's nothing, won't even be bothered with a tax increase. The only users you'd be punishing/affecting are those who don't do the above actions.

Balance out gold earning across the site and the games. Make the gold sinks you already have actually attractive to use. Stop punishing truly poor users who find it hard to make gold. I'm so ******** tired of it. So ******** tired. scream

More feedback in the spoiler. Tl;dr is above.

General Feedback/ranting below:

Gaia's just bandaging the problem they made instead of actually fixing it. They're the ones who gave users a taste of greed through earning a million gold within two-three days, using what you're telling me now (as user told me they can make 210K in 4 hours). Gaia decided to throw out gold to users for absolutely no work at all compared to how it was before those games were put in, not us. So now that users can make gold really quickly the ones who can go "Oh this item's really not worth that much, but I can make this gold back really quick, so I'll buy it anyway." instead of sitting there thinking "Do I want this item or not?" And that equals a price increase.

And now Gaia goes "We wanna to see if you'd like the idea of taxing you more instead of using the gold sinks already here and balancing out gold earning across the site so users just don't farm the one or two things that makes them the most gold." Because God forbid they admit that those actions compared to every other action on this site, doesn't make anywhere near as much gold. Screw that, Gaia. For real.

And I'm not even talking about the Cash Shop, 'cause it only generates gold when Gaia goes full retard and hands it out in a CI/RIG fashion. Even the CS items having a sellback price doesn't generate gold, unless they soulbind the thing *stares at the good ol' poor "Oni Set" item*. Thank goodness they've stopped that. Usually the sellback price is too low compared to how much the item's worth on the MP.

This s**t's so easy to fix, it should have never happened.
Lower the CS price of zOMG powerups. Then nerf the gold. Even with that you'll still piss people off 'cause the staff behind that game decided to make it tedious as ******** to play for some stupid reason. I still remember that dev and his ridiculous notion of how to play that game "It's supposed to be like pacman, casual fun, but you never actually win." :eyeroll:

Lower the CS price of aquarium fish. The only reason BG exists, and the fish drop so much gold was because Gaia decided to make an item that dies/disappear cost so damn much. So they somehow had to make Gaia aquariums attractive to use. But God forbid Gaia make anything in the CS cost less than $2-3 USD. That's ********' taboo. "Do I buy an EI/REI or do I buy this fish? If I buy this fish, it better be worth it, which means they better drop a s**t ton of gold so I can buy the EI/REI I probably should have picked up in the first darn place."

Eventually...balance out gold earning across the games and the site, which includes the above. Make your gold sinks more attractive *stares at gold shops*. Problem solved. Prices may not drop back down to how they were, but those who don't touch those features won't feel like they "can't make gold for s**t" and those with way too much gold won't be sitting there bored out their minds trying to figure out "what do I do with this huge amount of gold? *stares at it*." This isn't rocket science and we're certainly not trying to build a nuclear power plant.

[Jace Quin]

TrulyCapricious

Okay. So I found out. Mokoni remembered. ^.^

Two separate summers (indeed 2008 and again in 2010) they did implement measures to combat botting which did cause deflation of items on a large scale because the botted gold was removed/prevented from being created.

[otakamaru]

I know most people are agenst this, but I say raise to 0.05% - 0.08%since any one can be a million air just by selling like some C.I. bundles

[Andromeda Phoenix]

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Andromeda Phoenix

4 hours to make gold to buy pixals is fast?
Hun I have a life and I also do avi art for real gold.
Before in 06 I could do art and make around 60-70k for ONE art project, THAT was long.
And many times I was screwed over with people refusing to pay after they got their art [now I take gold first then start on art] and back then 70k could really help buy something for me but now that is nothing, the items on gaia now are around 1m , 2m, maybe more, my eyes alone are 8m. the item's price are the major issue. If zomg didnt have the gold drops it does I wouldn't be able to afford anything. :l

I love the gold on zomg because now I can fight monsters and work more for more gold.
It isnt like I just stand there and do nothing and wait for 4 hours .
Yes I am told booty grab earns a lot but you can only make :
100k on bootygrab
50k with reg status on zomg
and 50k on HOC

200k a day for regular users who work.
now what is that?
nothing......most good items are insane in price and you wanna say that is too much?

If you want gold you can work for it. [not saying you in general ] What I think should be done is gaia should not make items worth 1m+ :l

Yes, I do want to say that that is fast gold making. Whatever small amount us poorer users can make, there's other users out there who make that much gold to a couple exponential factors. Poorer users aren't really seeing the majority of gold that's making prices rise up, they just see the prices rise. It's the richer ones that see all that gold.

The only reasons items are worth 1m+ is because there are users out there who take full advantage of the fastest ways to make gold. Those people, they think "1 million gold is nothing, I'm going buy that item, even though I don't think it's worth that much, just because I know I can make that amount back like nothing." Even the poorer users do the same, "Oh I don't think that item is worth that much, but I really really really want it, and I don't know if it's gonna be all brought up by other richer users before the price actually drops. Let me buy it anyway."

It's even made worse because Gaia pushes that "rarer items are worth so much more, even if they're made horribly, or their poses aren't very usable, simply because they're rare," and doesn't re-release items as they are able to and should because they don't want those users obsessed with their item and account worth to complain.

There's other factors too, but I'm not an economist, and Gaia really should hire a competent one again.

The only way this issue truly gets fixed is if Gaia can once again make gold hard enough to earn that people start thinking about an item's true worth. But that way is not through taxing users more.

So you would rather people farm for longer to make gold?
I'm not a rich gaian, I work really hard for what I have and to say it is so easy to get kinda makes it sound like the work I do put in is nothing.
Farming on zomg is kinda work and a lot of time. You have to work to get rings up, sometimes buff assign and sure papasaw farming is mindless farming but you [only with r4 coy and a full crew] only earn 5k - 7k a run, and nerf at 50k, so if 50k is something that doesnt matter why is it you cant really buy much with it?
The rigs released and bought have a chance to either give junk or a rare item.
That rare item will be put in the market for a high price whether is it good or not, because it is rare. knowing some users had a 1/ [how ever high it is] chance of getting it makes it worth a s**t load and regardless if there was harder ways to make gold or not, it would still be a crazy price.
I just bought an item that was originally 50k but the price shot up to 98k, I wanted it and had to farm all over again to afford it.
Lets say they changed things and gold was harder to get and instead it was ...69k for giggles, gold is harder to get so THAT would be the new "high price",
I'm not challenging you or saying you are wrong, but I am saying [and this is what I see and my opinion] your solution is just putting a new name on the problem.
Maybe play these gold whore games and get gold, my computer lags in games, sometimes I have to deal with people I dislike, sometimes I wanna do something else then focusing on nerfing, but I do it because I am questing an item.
I see people still beg for gold in towns and forums and zomg, they would beg and say gold is to hard to get rather then actually trying, if the games are too hard or you dont wanna do them then there are alternative things, I dont even bootygrab even though I am told it is the best way for gold. That it CAN [doesnt mean it will] give me 100k a day at most. Now gaia has that flyn's booty thing, 99 gc [easy to get with gc free offers] and you can get gold.
I've gotten 4, 2 gifts and bought 2
1-98k
2-98k
3-450k
4-98k

yet people say it is impossible for gold. me, I'm guesting everything on my list and it isnt 1 or 2 things. it is a lot, :l so you think if there was a harder way to make gold it would REALLY help me? Also I dont think people on gaia really want gold to be harder to get. [also to everyone tipping me thanks lol <3 you rock my socks so hard redface ]

No I'm not putting a new name on the problem. I'm saying that if Gaia's gonna make games that drop a butt ton of gold, they should balance that gold dropping across the entire site. There's a gap of users who either play the few things that earn them gold or don't. The ones that don't, have a much harder time earning gold, then they're called lazy or that they're doing it wrong, when in reality the methods of earning gold on the site shouldn't be so unbalanced in the first place, especially when those users are working just as hard as you or me. I'm not talking about beggers or noobs or people who just flat out refuse to work for their gold. I'm talking about the others. Not everyone lives in the United States, where they can get free GC offers like it's nothing. Not everyone has a computer that runs those flash intensive games. Not everyone has the skills to draw, or vend, or whatever. People are so happy that they themselves earn lots of gold quickly, but they don't realize that that's the reason why the items prices have jumped up so.

Yeah but I have a shitty comp that lags and struggles with gameplay, I do NOT have the skills to vend [tried and ended in a horrible horrible day ...Vand-pocalypse-2010] and I do not do the gc free offers alot, only when I need them ,
So cutting out the gc and using reg status, and keeping in mind I have a shitty comp [seriously if I do not cclean right before anything I lag like a sloth trying to race slowpoke on the hottest and slowest day] , also I dont do bootygrab, still manage to make [on days when I have the time to do so] 100k, :l that is if I bust my a** . it will take around 2 hours of non-stop work and farming, no chatting or talking.
With actual playing and having fun it can take sometimes way longer, now I don't really think going on gaia is something that should take ALL DAY, and I don't see it as something that you should save a full week for ONE THING/ an outfit.
Looking at tektek people want avis worth 7m, 9m, more.
my avi :

Total Value: 17,600,597 Gold
[Item Information]

Item List:
Lunar Hairpin
Silver Hoop Earrings
S.I.N. Medallion
Crimson Stitch&#039;d Out Trousers
Black Leather Pom-Pom Boots
Devilish Leg Warmers
Audrey's Black Long Gloves
Red And Maroon Reversible Bracelets
Demonic Anklets
Red Tribal Right Arm Tattoo
Red Tribal Left Arm Tattoo
Red Stripes Head Tattoo
Sainte Ciel: Agape
Masquerade
Masquerade
Fallen Wish
Oisin's Blessing
Silver Mystic Ruby
Gaia-tan
Avatar of Twilight

Do you know how long it took to afford this? How much work, time, and effort it took?
So let's say my "Oisin's Blessing" [my eyes] that is a solid 8m right there.....
So if gold was harder to get, the price would be what? 80k?
and that helps?
If gold was harder to get , then the only change would be items would drop in price but it would be a relative and equal drop making those items STILL hard to get.
Gaia lately has had item diahrea and has been shitting out items non stop and they put more effort into items you pay for then items in the gold shop. Gold has become worth far less then originally because of the chance rate of these constant items.
IF- items like my gaia-tan were mass produced and thrown everywhere , they would not be worth 2 m because they would become more common.
The number of the item = it's worth.
Look at this sword Look at it's price , 1.2k , It is a very detailed and bad a** item, I own one. :l It looks nice, it is a fun fantasy item BUT there are so many of them and they have been reduced to that price.
This sword is worth almost 3 times as much as the other one and is not as detailed .
If gaia took the time in gold shop items having as much detail then that would make a GOOD gold sink that people would want, yeah posting should prolly give more gold but you know I go on forums in other sites and post , even when it gives me 0 gold. I would so post more on gaia forums if the gold post was like 170 gold a post for each post and the gold earning did not drop each time.
Also what made MC's so special was they were amazing items released once a month, something far better then gold shop items and were seen as the prize of gaia, once upon a time an evil pig tried to even thwart our mc's. Now Mc's are nothing anymore compared to Ci's, because you get so much more ci's than mc's and not to mention much more effort is put into them .
I do not see lowering how much gold we earn to be a solution , and not saying people who dont play the 3 main games are lazy but I am saying there are 3 main ways you CAN get gold, If I have a struggling comp, a life, and a limited amount of resources can still TRY and get what items I want others can also TRY MORE.
What gaia should do is maybe make less items at a time and that would prolly lower the probability of getting a certain item in a chance item. I'm sure there are many people who hate buying one and getting junk time after time. So why not give them a better reason to buy it.
When I buy yugioh cards I mainly go for packs that say on it "One rare GUARANTEED " , I dont even care what rare it is, it could be a rare kuriboh and Id be like "DUUUUUDE! LOOK AT MY RARE KURIBOH!"
Make users WANT ci's more but making them worth it buy adding less shitty items, then people will want them more, more people buy them and increase the amount of an item being "made" and then it will not be worth as much.
But that is just my opinion ofcourse.

We will do this one more time, then I'm done.

The items you're questing for only cost that much because there's some rich person out there who can do all the quick things to earn gold users can't. They buy the item at that ridiculously high price, and set it there, even if the item price drops. The poor folks (like you and me) accept that price 'cause they want the item before all the rich folks buy it up and it disappears (which falls into rarity), further setting the price. The only things outside that that makes it's price change is the item's popularity, and how many of that item there are.

So if you cut down on how quick the rich spenders make gold, they can't start or continue the trend that "a ridiculous, ugly CI/RIG pet that's so small you can't see it on your avi if you put clothing on said avi is worth 40 million just because it's rare." Why? Because they'll start thinking "Is this item really worth that much? How quickly can I earn that back?"

If you raise the amount of gold earned throughout the site (that is, balancing it out) it would just make it possible for other users who can't vend/play the MP, play zOMG, or any other high gold pay out game to quest for items as well. Meaning this ridiculous gap between the rich and poor can lessen in size and we all can stop running around like we're greedy and full of ourselves.

Users need to start thinking about more than just their own experiences on this site. And staff needs to start thinking about more than just group of users. It's pretty obvious there's not just one person on this site at any one time. But I guess that's just me. *shrug*

[HannahKotoba]

I think it's a good idea to do this- while I know many people are upset at the idea of raised taxes on pretty much anything, it would help the Gaia economy for sure. And before anyone accuses me, I sell items pretty frequently myself.

Here's an idea: why not increase the tax on specific large-ticket items (like, say, anything that is being sold for 100,000g or more, for example, or on premium/non-gold shop items)? That way, the people who make a little amount of gold won't wind up losing most of it, and we can hit more effectively the things that will remove the most gold from the economy. What about that?

[TrulyCapricious]

Jace Quin

TrulyCapricious

Okay. So I found out. Mokoni remembered. ^.^

Two separate summers (indeed 2008 and again in 2010) they did implement measures to combat botting which did cause deflation of items on a large scale because the botted gold was removed/prevented from being created.

Well there ya go. emotion_yatta

[RogueShadowAngel]

honestly i was against it in the first place. all it's done is make things shoot up more which is why i had originally stopped playing guy shortly after a one of the reasons. everything got pricier and shot through the ******** roof!

[Mr Chimi Chan]

NO

[adelaar1]

Nuuuu! It's a major source of gold income. You're not taxing when people post or play games. >.<

I'm not out to give a % of my fake monehs to a site's gold sink when they can't even get an inventory out let alone anything generally useful. Maybe if I thought it was beneficial, but it's not.

As I'm sure someone stated, stop throwing gold around or tax what you throw around. OR Just make something useful for people to spend gold on.

[Xiled Realms]

I know I said I was gonna stop posting at 200 but when I saw my anccoments and it was about get Flynts Booty whiles its hot. You can win 50k-10mill for just 99 Gaia Cash.

I have come to a conclustion that all this talk will be ignored,
and gaia will do as the please like noraml.

[sunstonemon]

One thing they could do instead of increasing the fake tax on the fake money is make the fake stores sell better fake stuff. Hell even if they started a store selling all of the incidental items from the various CIs would help. It would definitely make one of their other poorly planned ideas (alchemy) more do-able.

[TheLostAngel-Mika]

NO! JUST PLAIN NO!

[Inkisitor Jester]

The MP tax must not be increased, cause
1st: if you are afraid of any inflation, rise the tax in the MP will do that, cause we will have to sell our items more expensive to get the same gold that we get now with 2%... and that will make everything get more and more expensive...
2nd: if you do that, lot of people could just have the store to show the vending items, but we can (and maybe most of them will do this) use the "trade" to sell them without paying any tax, so, if you rise it, it wont affect that much if gaians start to trade the items directly for the gold.

i think that, if you really want to reduce the GOLD inflation of all the items, you should start reducint the gaiacash prices, cause, since gaia introduced the gaia cash sistem and those items, the prices in most of the items started to get higher and higher... i've been on gaia since the 05, with many accounts and i've left many times cause that, for the inflation that the gaia cash sistem created... at first i was here the expensive item was the "demon horns" with a price of 9,999,999 but now, you can see items worth more than 20kk and honestly, that sucks...

[CheerfulSunshine]

Why should there an inflation?!??

Uncle Kenny

Hi all,

We know many of you are asking for ways to reduce the gold/inflation in the economy and rest assured, we have several gold sinks coming down the pipe to satisfy that demand. We have noticed several requests/suggestions to increase the Marketplace tax though and wanted to know how all of you felt about this idea. It's a very simple thing for us to do and it would indeed increase the amount of gold being taken out of the economy. This isn't something to say we're definitely going to do it, but if the popular opinion is that it would be beneficial, it's definitely something we would consider.

So, how about it, do you think the Marketplace tax should be raised? Why/Why not? If you do want it higher, how much higher would you want to see it? 3%? 5%? 10%? Sound off below and let us know how you feel about it.