Is Satan the good guy?

[Seraphor]

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

[Ulrich]

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

This is exactly right. The main reason Christians are religious is because they don't know the character of their own God as portrayed in the bible, "a racist, sexist, murderous c**t." - Tim Minchin. Of course this is to be expected when only about 1 in 10 Christians have read their bible cover to cover.

[kalel_watercurrent]

Eh, a biblical God viewed as human is a piece of s**t. He creates everything knowing full well that things will go terribly. Hell, Angels lack free will but for some reason Lucifer is able to disobey him. If they lack free will, then it's plausible that God wanted him to disobey in the first place. The entire thing is ridiculous if you apply logic. Lucifer is able to goad God into terrorizing his subjects just to prove their devotion, God strikes people down without hesitation, and he sends his own divine creations to Sodom knowing full well they'll be raped. Like. . . he's a total d**k. It's horrible.

Real talk though. God is representative of a totalitarian presence. And Lucifer is the rebellious underdog. Nowadays we would likely root for Lucifer if presented this story for the first time. But back then ideology was different. Being a rebel was like having an infectious disease. Freedom meant death. The government that pieced together the book was wanting something for their people to buy into, thus assuring complacency and giving them hope for reward. It was a well told story that connected with the people, though many of its original meanings have been lost through translation and flat-out lies.

Honestly, Christians should stop praying for themselves and start praying for Lucifer. He was given a bum rap by a shitty deity and now overlooks the souls of the damned as punishment. If anyone deserves prayer and pity, it's the devil.

[Alashuko The Fighter]

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

[stealthmongoose]

Alashuko The Fighter

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

[Alashuko The Fighter]

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

[stealthmongoose]

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

[Alashuko The Fighter]

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

Seraphor

Without announcing my own beliefs, I'd like to propose the concept of Satan as the good guy, and God as evil.
Think of me as a devils advocate.

Upon reading this article on the Huffington Post I thought it would make a good discussion topic, and specifically around the excerpt below:

Herb Silverman; HuffPost

Satan comes out looking pretty good in Genesis. After God tells Adam he will die on the day he eats a particular piece of fruit, Satan (in a snake costume) tells Eve that the snack will give them knowledge. So they eat the forbidden fruit, enjoy their newly acquired knowledge, and learn that God was bluffing when he said they would die on the day they ate the fruit. A wrathful God then banishes the first couple from the Garden of Eden and tells them they must now work for a living. Adam and Eve presumably discover that ignorance is not bliss and that blind obedience is not a virtue. Though many Christians view this disobedience as the "original sin," I think Satan teaches humans that it's better to have freedom without a guarantee of security than to have security without freedom.

So what are your thoughts on this interpretation and do you agree with it?

Consider also the following points:
Satan killed a total of 10 people according to the Bible.
God has killed countless millions, including all life on Earth except the population of a single boat.
God demands constant praise and worship.


What are your thoughts on the character of God in general?
Do you view him as a reverent, perfect, all-good, all-loving character, or as a narcissistic megalomaniac?

For further consideration, what is your take on the concept of God being the devil in disguise, and Satan being the creator? After all, surely the greatest evil the devil could achieve would be in deceiving the world into thinking he was the good guy.
How about the name 'Lucifer' meaning "light-bringer" or "shining one"?

For the faithful Christians:
Does this offend your faith? Does it cause you to question it?
Do you accept it as a challenge to your faith to consider seriously, or do you brush it off as a challenge to your faith that you're not willing to actually take seriously?
Would you be willing to bring this issue up in church or would you be afraid to rock the boat?

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

Which is why the concept of heaven was impossible with Jesus alive. Ergo, sacrifice. The last one. All those sacrifices were aimed at Disciples. The 12 disciples. Because they needed requirements. Like most research needs to be value free to be considered truthful and fair. We aren't disciples. We are people who make mistakes and is the reason Christ died for us. He offered his physical body and when his spirit returned to earth, he created a way for us to be forgiven of our sins, by giving us freedom to do it without a burden on our conscience. It says honor thy mother and father. I would imagine people would hate their parents if they were the kind that abuse them, rape them, or even kill them.

[stealthmongoose]

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

Which is why the concept of heaven was impossible with Jesus alive. Ergo, sacrifice. The last one. All those sacrifices were aimed at Disciples. The 12 disciples. Because they needed requirements. Like most research needs to be value free to be considered truthful and fair. We aren't disciples. We are people who make mistakes and is the reason Christ died for us. He offered his physical body and when his spirit returned to earth, he created a way for us to be forgiven of our sins, by giving us freedom to do it without a burden on our conscience. It says honor thy mother and father. I would imagine people would hate their parents if they were the kind that abuse them, rape them, or even kill them.

Wild Goose Chase fallacy. A divine moral truth wouldn't be hinged on specific individuals. What you're proposing is that some are destined to follow different laws than others by immunizing the disciples from the same requirements to get into heaven as everyone else.

None of this, by the way, is relevant to the original point. You mistakenly asserted that those who sacrifice or murder in Satan's name (despite no satanic text requiring actual ritual sacrifice) are indicative of Satanism. Therefore, when I asserted the same to you regarding Christianity (which advocates that sort of thing many times over) you appealed to this selective bias regarding the apostles.

Reality doesn't work that way. If people who murder in Satan's name are indicative of Satanism, then those who murder in Jesus' name are also indicative of Christianity.

[Alashuko The Fighter]

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

Which is why the concept of heaven was impossible with Jesus alive. Ergo, sacrifice. The last one. All those sacrifices were aimed at Disciples. The 12 disciples. Because they needed requirements. Like most research needs to be value free to be considered truthful and fair. We aren't disciples. We are people who make mistakes and is the reason Christ died for us. He offered his physical body and when his spirit returned to earth, he created a way for us to be forgiven of our sins, by giving us freedom to do it without a burden on our conscience. It says honor thy mother and father. I would imagine people would hate their parents if they were the kind that abuse them, rape them, or even kill them.

Wild Goose Chase fallacy. A divine moral truth wouldn't be hinged on specific individuals. What you're proposing is that some are destined to follow different laws than others by immunizing the disciples from the same requirements to get into heaven as everyone else.

None of this, by the way, is relevant to the original point. You mistakenly asserted that those who sacrifice or murder in Satan's name (despite no satanic text requiring actual ritual sacrifice) are indicative of Satanism. Therefore, when I asserted the same to you regarding Christianity (which advocates that sort of thing many times over) you appealed to this selective bias regarding the apostles.

Reality doesn't work that way. If people who murder in Satan's name are indicative of Satanism, then those who murder in Jesus' name are also indicative of Christianity.

So satanism is the only religion that we shouldn't bash? So not all religions are harmful for children?

[stealthmongoose]

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

Which is why the concept of heaven was impossible with Jesus alive. Ergo, sacrifice. The last one. All those sacrifices were aimed at Disciples. The 12 disciples. Because they needed requirements. Like most research needs to be value free to be considered truthful and fair. We aren't disciples. We are people who make mistakes and is the reason Christ died for us. He offered his physical body and when his spirit returned to earth, he created a way for us to be forgiven of our sins, by giving us freedom to do it without a burden on our conscience. It says honor thy mother and father. I would imagine people would hate their parents if they were the kind that abuse them, rape them, or even kill them.

Wild Goose Chase fallacy. A divine moral truth wouldn't be hinged on specific individuals. What you're proposing is that some are destined to follow different laws than others by immunizing the disciples from the same requirements to get into heaven as everyone else.

None of this, by the way, is relevant to the original point. You mistakenly asserted that those who sacrifice or murder in Satan's name (despite no satanic text requiring actual ritual sacrifice) are indicative of Satanism. Therefore, when I asserted the same to you regarding Christianity (which advocates that sort of thing many times over) you appealed to this selective bias regarding the apostles.

Reality doesn't work that way. If people who murder in Satan's name are indicative of Satanism, then those who murder in Jesus' name are also indicative of Christianity.

So satanism is the only religion that we shouldn't bash? So not all religions are harmful for children?

Not at all. They're all ridiculous, but look at Satanism's tennets and see if they match up to the s**t found in The Bible proper.

If we are going to measure a religion's evil by the suffering it proposes and the suffering caused by it, Christianity beats satanism on both counts. That was my only point really.

[Alashuko The Fighter]

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

You lost me when you proposed that Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices, such as giving up all that you own to the poor.

I understand your willingness to quote St. Augustine rather than the Biblical Jesus, but if you're proposing that Satan requires more sacrifice than Jesus in the Biblical myth, you're sorely mistaken.

In the light of Jesus' actual cfharacter in the Bible, he seems to demand many sacrifices for his glory.

God, for that matter, is the most bloodthirsty character in the whole fable.

Which is why the concept of heaven was impossible with Jesus alive. Ergo, sacrifice. The last one. All those sacrifices were aimed at Disciples. The 12 disciples. Because they needed requirements. Like most research needs to be value free to be considered truthful and fair. We aren't disciples. We are people who make mistakes and is the reason Christ died for us. He offered his physical body and when his spirit returned to earth, he created a way for us to be forgiven of our sins, by giving us freedom to do it without a burden on our conscience. It says honor thy mother and father. I would imagine people would hate their parents if they were the kind that abuse them, rape them, or even kill them.

Wild Goose Chase fallacy. A divine moral truth wouldn't be hinged on specific individuals. What you're proposing is that some are destined to follow different laws than others by immunizing the disciples from the same requirements to get into heaven as everyone else.

None of this, by the way, is relevant to the original point. You mistakenly asserted that those who sacrifice or murder in Satan's name (despite no satanic text requiring actual ritual sacrifice) are indicative of Satanism. Therefore, when I asserted the same to you regarding Christianity (which advocates that sort of thing many times over) you appealed to this selective bias regarding the apostles.

Reality doesn't work that way. If people who murder in Satan's name are indicative of Satanism, then those who murder in Jesus' name are also indicative of Christianity.

So satanism is the only religion that we shouldn't bash? So not all religions are harmful for children?

Not at all. They're all ridiculous, but look at Satanism's tennets and see if they match up to the s**t found in The Bible proper.

If we are going to measure a religion's evil by the suffering it proposes and the suffering caused by it, Christianity beats satanism on both counts. That was my only point really.

There are different views of suffering. Just like there religions.

[haunting heaven]

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

I'd actually like you to find a Satanist group that claims Satan desires animal sacrifices, let alone human sacrifices. The whole "Satanists have secret rituals in the woods and eat children" scare that happened in, what? The eighties through nineties? I don't know the timeline, but it turned out to be a bunch of ignorant people scaring themselves while they whined over satanic lyrics in rock music (plus a few people "recovering" memories of ritual abuse due to faulty psychiatry).

When was the last time you heard about someone killed in a sacrifice to Satan?

Now, when is the last time you heard about someone killing in the name of God?

As stealthmongoose already pointed out, God has a much higher pile of bodies at his feet than Satan could ever hope to achieve. So if we're using "follower's kill count" as a measuring stick for evil, guess who wins the prize?

[Alashuko The Fighter]

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stealthmongoose

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So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

I'd actually like you to find a Satanist group that claims Satan desires animal sacrifices, let alone human sacrifices. The whole "Satanists have secret rituals in the woods and eat children" scare that happened in, what? The eighties through nineties? I don't know the timeline, but it turned out to be a bunch of ignorant people scaring themselves while they whined over satanic lyrics in rock music (plus a few people "recovering" memories of ritual abuse due to faulty psychiatry).

When was the last time you heard about someone killed in a sacrifice to Satan?

Now, when is the last time you heard about someone killing in the name of God?

As stealthmongoose already pointed out, God has a much higher pile of bodies at his feet than Satan could ever hope to achieve. So if we're using "follower's kill count" as a measuring stick for evil, guess who wins the prize?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/18/local/la-me-ln-man-killed-mom-on-satanic-holiday-for-human-sacrifice-da-says-20130718

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Alashuko The Fighter

haunting heaven

Alashuko The Fighter

stealthmongoose

Alashuko The Fighter

So modern day human sacrifices from Satans followers would make him a good guy? Sure, Satan killed 10 people, but his followers will add to the count in his name.

You just admitted to every Christian who did the same representing God.

Also, fun fact; Far more people have been killed and sacrificed in the name of God than will ever be extinguished in the name of Satan.

This means that human sacrifices and murders from God's followers makes him what type of guy?

Trust me, back then, I would think he was evil. But difference of today, satan presents modern day sacrifices. Jesus doesn't demand modern day sacrifices. If I may quote St. Augustine: "Love God and do what you want." We should no longer have to atone or over sacrifices for our problems or to gain the abilities to do certain tasks.

I'd actually like you to find a Satanist group that claims Satan desires animal sacrifices, let alone human sacrifices. The whole "Satanists have secret rituals in the woods and eat children" scare that happened in, what? The eighties through nineties? I don't know the timeline, but it turned out to be a bunch of ignorant people scaring themselves while they whined over satanic lyrics in rock music (plus a few people "recovering" memories of ritual abuse due to faulty psychiatry).

When was the last time you heard about someone killed in a sacrifice to Satan?

Now, when is the last time you heard about someone killing in the name of God?

As stealthmongoose already pointed out, God has a much higher pile of bodies at his feet than Satan could ever hope to achieve. So if we're using "follower's kill count" as a measuring stick for evil, guess who wins the prize?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/18/local/la-me-ln-man-killed-mom-on-satanic-holiday-for-human-sacrifice-da-says-20130718

And that is what you call an anomaly -- assuming that he even sacrificed her since that was the prosecutor's claim, not the perpetrator's. Which immediately makes that suspect to me, because there is the stereotype of the bloodthirsty Satanists, and of COURSE a prosecutor is going to use that stereotype to their advantage.

Now, care to address the rest of my post? Because you can post a single article about someone who MIGHT have killed someone in the name of Satan, but that doesn't discount the fact that people kill in the name of God much more often (and sometimes in mass killings) while proudly stating that that is EXACTLY what they are doing, thus still rendering your point moot.