How do people cheat in runway??

[oOnissaOo]

Cherrieee

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

Voting for your one account is one thing. Entering your main account along with several mules and then voting for yourself constantly should be considered cheating. These accounts would show up more often than someone who only entered one account.


If someone wins with several mules for all the places (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) that should be considered cheating as well. If mules are allowed to be entered at one time, only 1 should be allowed to win, no matter how good the avatars are.

I see what you're saying, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate: How can entering mules count as cheating when it doesn't increase the chances of winning for one particular avatar? It sounds more like it would decrease the chances of winning for someone trying to spam vote, because instead of focusing on 1 avatar to try to get the most votes for, you've split your concentration into looking for 3 or however many more avatars. You can vote for yourself 5 times, but if it was for 5 different mule accounts, then you only got 1 vote. If you're using bots, then sure that's cheating. Of course. But if you just had a a bunch of good ideas for a contest that probably won't show up again very soon, like the "Everything is Fine" runway, then can you be blamed if the voters thought they were good ideas too?

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

[oOnissaOo]

Lady Faps

oOnissaOo

Lady Faps

My bitter 2 cents on this topic:
The problem lies within the system itself.

We were told each avatar has the same chance of coming up as any other, but yet in practice (and we all have seen this) some just come up more often than others. As a test, I did 200 refreshes, and some I saw 4 or more times, others only once...and my own, never. Maybe seeing my own is a way to prevent voting for myself, I don't really know

But if you want to fix the "cheating", then fix the system. Make is so an individual can only vote on an avatar a few times, then have it pulled from the roster! If we are only allowed to vote, say 3 times on an avie and then we never see it again, then the ones that are truly well done will start to shine through. Because as it stands now, those that get seen more often will gather more votes, doesn't matter if it's good or not.

I talked to someone earlier about this: just because someone is appearing more frequently or infrequently to you, doesn't mean they are to everyone else. You may not show up to your own account but to someone else, you're there every 10 refreshes. But otherwise, I agree with you. My idea was just a museum page where you can cast 1 vote for each of the avatars you think are good and that's it! The 2 or 3 votes you can get from mule accounts in that scenario is not nearly as much as the 50+ votes you can get now with spam voting for yourself.

See though, that I feel isn't the case. Not only was I not showing up to me, but my sister and a few friends also did not see me at all within that 4 hour chunk. In addition to that, I got no more votes, while those around me managed at least 3 or 4 (and one even got 13). It was like I just vanished for that time frame, which really isn't fair to the whole "everyone has the same chance". If that really were the case, I should have gotten at least one vote in that time frame. It's not like my entry sucked or anything.
But it's also like I have no actual proof. I don't know how the algorithm behaves but I do know that 2 nearly identical creations an have wildly different vote pulls, just based on how disproportionately one is seen over the other. Again, all speculation since I don't know exactly how the algorithm works, or is supposed to work.

I can't say I know how it works either, but maybe we're all just cycled through different time zones. Like maybe if you started out on the west coast of the US, after a couple of hours your avi shows up mostly to people in CST, and then on to east coast time zone of the US and so on. That could explain why none of your friends saw you either. But idk lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[Cherrieee]

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

Voting for your one account is one thing. Entering your main account along with several mules and then voting for yourself constantly should be considered cheating. These accounts would show up more often than someone who only entered one account.


If someone wins with several mules for all the places (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) that should be considered cheating as well. If mules are allowed to be entered at one time, only 1 should be allowed to win, no matter how good the avatars are.

I see what you're saying, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate: How can entering mules count as cheating when it doesn't increase the chances of winning for one particular avatar? It sounds more like it would decrease the chances of winning for someone trying to spam vote, because instead of focusing on 1 avatar to try to get the most votes for, you've split your concentration into looking for 3 or however many more avatars. You can vote for yourself 5 times, but if it was for 5 different mule accounts, then you only got 1 vote. If you're using bots, then sure that's cheating. Of course. But if you just had a a bunch of good ideas for a contest that probably won't show up again very soon, like the "Everything is Fine" runway, then can you be blamed if the voters thought they were good ideas too?

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

I dont understand why you think the votes are now split between the accounts? Thats not the way Runway works with the voting system. You can vote however many times the avatar comes up. If you have several accounts in the running, and are sitting there constantly voting for yourself anyway, you now can vote each time everytime one of your avatars pop up, instead of waiting for just the one.

If I see 5 of my mule accounts pop up constantly, I am voting for them constantly. Your votes dont get diluted, you're 1 person still voting for yourself, just with several chances of seeing the avatars now.


I dont know how I can explain it better to you. Your 100 votes do not split between the accounts. You now get 100 votes on EACH avatar you entered (as if you only entered the one, but now you see your chances rise because you have more than 1 avatar in the running)


TBH Im just making this worse really. Im sure theres going to be a bunch of people entering mules now, realizing how much easier it is to vote for themselves constantly...

[Lady Faps]

oOnissaOo

Lady Faps

oOnissaOo

Lady Faps

My bitter 2 cents on this topic:
The problem lies within the system itself.

We were told each avatar has the same chance of coming up as any other, but yet in practice (and we all have seen this) some just come up more often than others. As a test, I did 200 refreshes, and some I saw 4 or more times, others only once...and my own, never. Maybe seeing my own is a way to prevent voting for myself, I don't really know

But if you want to fix the "cheating", then fix the system. Make is so an individual can only vote on an avatar a few times, then have it pulled from the roster! If we are only allowed to vote, say 3 times on an avie and then we never see it again, then the ones that are truly well done will start to shine through. Because as it stands now, those that get seen more often will gather more votes, doesn't matter if it's good or not.

I talked to someone earlier about this: just because someone is appearing more frequently or infrequently to you, doesn't mean they are to everyone else. You may not show up to your own account but to someone else, you're there every 10 refreshes. But otherwise, I agree with you. My idea was just a museum page where you can cast 1 vote for each of the avatars you think are good and that's it! The 2 or 3 votes you can get from mule accounts in that scenario is not nearly as much as the 50+ votes you can get now with spam voting for yourself.

See though, that I feel isn't the case. Not only was I not showing up to me, but my sister and a few friends also did not see me at all within that 4 hour chunk. In addition to that, I got no more votes, while those around me managed at least 3 or 4 (and one even got 13). It was like I just vanished for that time frame, which really isn't fair to the whole "everyone has the same chance". If that really were the case, I should have gotten at least one vote in that time frame. It's not like my entry sucked or anything.
But it's also like I have no actual proof. I don't know how the algorithm behaves but I do know that 2 nearly identical creations an have wildly different vote pulls, just based on how disproportionately one is seen over the other. Again, all speculation since I don't know exactly how the algorithm works, or is supposed to work.

I can't say I know how it works either, but maybe we're all just cycled through different time zones. Like maybe if you started out on the west coast of the US, after a couple of hours your avi shows up mostly to people in CST, and then on to east coast time zone of the US and so on. That could explain why none of your friends saw you either. But idk lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's possible that it does go on timezones, but that's still really unfair...especially if the people that would vote for me aren't on at the peak times.
Really though, my largest complaint about runway is the algorithm and how it's unbalanced. And because of that imbalance, certain favored users do better than others.

But doesn't really matter. It's supposed to be all for fun (really do with cash was withdrawn from the prize pools though)

[Angels Alibi]

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

Voting for your one account is one thing. Entering your main account along with several mules and then voting for yourself constantly should be considered cheating. These accounts would show up more often than someone who only entered one account.


If someone wins with several mules for all the places (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) that should be considered cheating as well. If mules are allowed to be entered at one time, only 1 should be allowed to win, no matter how good the avatars are.

I see what you're saying, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate: How can entering mules count as cheating when it doesn't increase the chances of winning for one particular avatar? It sounds more like it would decrease the chances of winning for someone trying to spam vote, because instead of focusing on 1 avatar to try to get the most votes for, you've split your concentration into looking for 3 or however many more avatars. You can vote for yourself 5 times, but if it was for 5 different mule accounts, then you only got 1 vote. If you're using bots, then sure that's cheating. Of course. But if you just had a a bunch of good ideas for a contest that probably won't show up again very soon, like the "Everything is Fine" runway, then can you be blamed if the voters thought they were good ideas too?

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

Think of it this way instead
There's an art competition and 100 people enter but 1 person enters 10 times in secrecy
Instead of there being an even amount of chances for everyone to win (everyone submitted one piece) there's now someone with a higher chance to win because they submitted 10 pieces

Or in a similar fashion
There's a lotto and everyone gets 1 ticket to enter but 1 person gets 10 tickets to enter
That then ups their chances to win

The logic is a bit different for the runway since you can vote multiple times but it still stands
I enter with 50 avis, those avis show up more than someone who only entered 1 time and thus more chances for people to see it and then vote on it

[xukshia]

This is what I think.
The same people win Runway every.single.time. whether their avi is good or not...

I see people posting threads and telling other people to vote for their avatar. And the person I saw who did that placed 2nd in a specific category.

To me, telling others to vote for your own avatar is cheating.

[ceaen]

xukshia

This is what I think.
The same people win Runway every.single.time. whether their avi is good or not...

I see people posting threads and telling other people to vote for their avatar. And the person I saw who did that placed 2nd in a specific category.

To me, telling others to vote for your own avatar is cheating.

Also, the forum rules now state that you aren't allowed to make threads here asking for votes (though it's okay to make such threads in the Chatterbox), so if you see threads of that variety you can certainly report those.
Though since they added that rule I rarely ever see threads like that any more. Not sure if it just led to people not making those threads or if the threads just get deleted/moved before I ever see them.

[Luna Proudfoot]

people take this s**t way too seriously

[oOnissaOo]

Angels Alibi

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

Voting for your one account is one thing. Entering your main account along with several mules and then voting for yourself constantly should be considered cheating. These accounts would show up more often than someone who only entered one account.


If someone wins with several mules for all the places (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) that should be considered cheating as well. If mules are allowed to be entered at one time, only 1 should be allowed to win, no matter how good the avatars are.

I see what you're saying, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate: How can entering mules count as cheating when it doesn't increase the chances of winning for one particular avatar? It sounds more like it would decrease the chances of winning for someone trying to spam vote, because instead of focusing on 1 avatar to try to get the most votes for, you've split your concentration into looking for 3 or however many more avatars. You can vote for yourself 5 times, but if it was for 5 different mule accounts, then you only got 1 vote. If you're using bots, then sure that's cheating. Of course. But if you just had a a bunch of good ideas for a contest that probably won't show up again very soon, like the "Everything is Fine" runway, then can you be blamed if the voters thought they were good ideas too?

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

Think of it this way instead
There's an art competition and 100 people enter but 1 person enters 10 times in secrecy
Instead of there being an even amount of chances for everyone to win (everyone submitted one piece) there's now someone with a higher chance to win because they submitted 10 pieces

Or in a similar fashion
There's a lotto and everyone gets 1 ticket to enter but 1 person gets 10 tickets to enter
That then ups their chances to win

The logic is a bit different for the runway since you can vote multiple times but it still stands
I enter with 50 avis, those avis show up more than someone who only entered 1 time and thus more chances for people to see it and then vote on it

The lotto is not a good example because every ticket has an equal chance. With runway, entries will never have an equal chance because some are inherently better than others. Winners depend on talent to get votes (in an ideal world lmao), not how many you enter. If your avatar is the best, then it shouldn't matter if I enter 50 because all 50 would still lose to you.

But anywaaaay I understand the point. Account-wise, one person should only have one entry for the sake of fairness, and by entering mules they are bypassing that.

[Angels Alibi]

oOnissaOo

Angels Alibi

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

Voting for your one account is one thing. Entering your main account along with several mules and then voting for yourself constantly should be considered cheating. These accounts would show up more often than someone who only entered one account.


If someone wins with several mules for all the places (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) that should be considered cheating as well. If mules are allowed to be entered at one time, only 1 should be allowed to win, no matter how good the avatars are.

I see what you're saying, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate: How can entering mules count as cheating when it doesn't increase the chances of winning for one particular avatar? It sounds more like it would decrease the chances of winning for someone trying to spam vote, because instead of focusing on 1 avatar to try to get the most votes for, you've split your concentration into looking for 3 or however many more avatars. You can vote for yourself 5 times, but if it was for 5 different mule accounts, then you only got 1 vote. If you're using bots, then sure that's cheating. Of course. But if you just had a a bunch of good ideas for a contest that probably won't show up again very soon, like the "Everything is Fine" runway, then can you be blamed if the voters thought they were good ideas too?

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

Think of it this way instead
There's an art competition and 100 people enter but 1 person enters 10 times in secrecy
Instead of there being an even amount of chances for everyone to win (everyone submitted one piece) there's now someone with a higher chance to win because they submitted 10 pieces

Or in a similar fashion
There's a lotto and everyone gets 1 ticket to enter but 1 person gets 10 tickets to enter
That then ups their chances to win

The logic is a bit different for the runway since you can vote multiple times but it still stands
I enter with 50 avis, those avis show up more than someone who only entered 1 time and thus more chances for people to see it and then vote on it

The lotto is not a good example because every ticket has an equal chance. With runway, entries will never have an equal chance because some are inherently better than others. Winners depend on talent to get votes (in an ideal world lmao), not how many you enter. If your avatar is the best, then it shouldn't matter if I enter 50 because all 50 would still lose to you.

But anywaaaay I understand the point. Account-wise, one person should only have one entry for the sake of fairness, and by entering mules they are bypassing that.

It still technically is a fair playing field pretending that everyone has a 'perfect' avi
Ignoring that some people enter without having the right theme and only looking at the proper ones
It's still 1 entry per person, not skewed by multiple entries by one person

That's the main issue of people entering on mules
They're upping their chances

[oOnissaOo]

Angels Alibi

oOnissaOo

Angels Alibi

oOnissaOo

Cherrieee

If you are sitting there voting for yourself, the chances of your one avatar coming up is limited, since you're looking for only 1 avatar through hundreds. Sure, your voting numbers are all focused on one, but think if you have several avatars coming up constantly that you can vote for? You're able to now instead of "refreshing" you're voting for one of your several avatars instead. Your 1 avatar may not get the most votes, but your several avatars are getting a pretty large amount of constant votes anyway.

If you're willing to click refresh for hours on end, you're now able to vote for yourself more than the one time you could have if you only entered once.

Your 100 votes for the one account are now 100 votes for 5 different accounts. It doesnt get split up like you're thinking. You're still only voting for yourself, but just now, you have 5 chances instead of 1.

100/ 1 account= 100 votes. 100/ 5 accounts= you still lost lol. Each of those accounts only has 20 votes. Why would having 20 votes be better than having all 100 when the goal is to have the most?? In order to get those 5 mules anywhere near my 1 account, you'd have to vote 500 times eek

Think of it this way instead
There's an art competition and 100 people enter but 1 person enters 10 times in secrecy
Instead of there being an even amount of chances for everyone to win (everyone submitted one piece) there's now someone with a higher chance to win because they submitted 10 pieces

Or in a similar fashion
There's a lotto and everyone gets 1 ticket to enter but 1 person gets 10 tickets to enter
That then ups their chances to win

The logic is a bit different for the runway since you can vote multiple times but it still stands
I enter with 50 avis, those avis show up more than someone who only entered 1 time and thus more chances for people to see it and then vote on it

The lotto is not a good example because every ticket has an equal chance. With runway, entries will never have an equal chance because some are inherently better than others. Winners depend on talent to get votes (in an ideal world lmao), not how many you enter. If your avatar is the best, then it shouldn't matter if I enter 50 because all 50 would still lose to you.

But anywaaaay I understand the point. Account-wise, one person should only have one entry for the sake of fairness, and by entering mules they are bypassing that.

It still technically is a fair playing field pretending that everyone has a 'perfect' avi
Ignoring that some people enter without having the right theme and only looking at the proper ones
It's still 1 entry per person, not skewed by multiple entries by one person

That's the main issue of people entering on mules
They're upping their chances

If you look at it that way, then sure. And I know, I'm just playing the other side for a little bit lol


I'd actually be fine with mule entering if we didn't have this "vote as much as you want" system

[Fibonacci To Infinity]

With cheating there was some serious offenses in manipulating the instances like using a script & such.
However mules are a different story, I would say one other account is okay to enter because it still gives many other people to have a fair chance.
The odds of someone placing in the top 5 with two accounts is very hard to do without some kind of help.
However if someone uses 5 + mules & each one places in the top 5 (Which HAS happened before.) then yes that should be considered cheating.
Personally a limit on mules would be a good thing to have.

[Tsukita-chan]

talking about.. anyone saw the current 1st place of Winter category? xd
yes.. is WAY better than the rest on top 5.. rofl

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Fibonacci To Infinity

With cheating there was some serious offenses in manipulating the instances like using a script & such.
However mules are a different story, I would say one other account is okay to enter because it still gives many other people to have a fair chance.
The odds of someone placing in the top 5 with two accounts is very hard to do without some kind of help.
However if someone uses 5 + mules & each one places in the top 5 (Which HAS happened before.) then yes that should be considered cheating.
Personally a limit on mules would be a good thing to have.

I agree with this!!

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[oOnissaOo]

Luna Proudfoot

people take this s**t way too seriously

100% true lol
I like your sig btw