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Nero Wolf
Pro-Choice....


Care to expand on that, or are you happy with those extra three gold?
Nero Wolf
Pro-Choice....

This is barely even a one liner, and so prohibited by the almighty rules of ED.

Not that there is anything wrong with being Pro-Choice. I am Pro-Choice myself for many different reasons. I think that no woman should be forced to carry and raise a child she didn't want. I think that woman killing themselves with coathangers while trying to get rid of their unwanted pregnancies is a horrible horrible thing. I also am against dumpster babies, and think that abortions being legal and almost completely safe will eventually get rid of this sort of thing (I hope).
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.
RAMONESdork
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.


Ahh but if I kill you in your sleep is it so bad?
You see there are to many arguments for and against to really say either side is wrong. That's why we just have to accept that other people have other veiws and if we don't care for them all we can do is try to justify ours better than they justify thiers. Which usually leads to confusion.
Cauis_Refanius
RAMONESdork
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.


Ahh but if I kill you in your sleep is it so bad?
You see there are to many arguments for and against to really say either side is wrong. That's why we just have to accept that other people have other veiws and if we don't care for them all we can do is try to justify ours better than they justify thiers. Which usually leads to confusion.


True 3nodding
RAMONESdork
Cauis_Refanius
RAMONESdork
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.


Ahh but if I kill you in your sleep is it so bad?
You see there are to many arguments for and against to really say either side is wrong. That's why we just have to accept that other people have other veiws and if we don't care for them all we can do is try to justify ours better than they justify thiers. Which usually leads to confusion.


True 3nodding


Too bad a fetus is nothing like you and me.
[I am teh Haruka]
RAMONESdork
Cauis_Refanius
RAMONESdork
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.


Ahh but if I kill you in your sleep is it so bad?
You see there are to many arguments for and against to really say either side is wrong. That's why we just have to accept that other people have other veiws and if we don't care for them all we can do is try to justify ours better than they justify thiers. Which usually leads to confusion.


True 3nodding


Too bad a fetus is nothing like you and me.

I didn't say it was. That was an argument for the excuse of they can't feel it. An argument for the sole sake of argument at that.
Cauis_Refanius
I didn't say it was. That was an argument for the excuse of they can't feel it. An argument for the sole sake of argument at that.


And I was replying...

Whatever, I don't feel like debating anymore anyway. Bye.
[I am teh Haruka]
Cauis_Refanius
I didn't say it was. That was an argument for the excuse of they can't feel it. An argument for the sole sake of argument at that.


And I was replying...

Whatever, I don't feel like debating anymore anyway. Bye.

Have a good day...or night...Have a good one!
Cauis_Refanius
RAMONESdork
I find (and again this is just me talking) that abortions are no different than eating eggs. Those who are pro-life, are somewhat hypocritical. Is it wrong to eat eggs. It has the potential to grow into a life. Sure it may not be exactly the same for a fetis, but in away it is too. And even if the fetus does have the ability to sense pain when it develops nerves, its not actually consience. (<-Spelling?) So it can't feel pain anyway. (We can't feel pain when we are put to sleep during surgery, or when we go to sleep) So, there's another point.


Ahh but if I kill you in your sleep is it so bad?
You see there are to many arguments for and against to really say either side is wrong. That's why we just have to accept that other people have other veiws and if we don't care for them all we can do is try to justify ours better than they justify thiers. Which usually leads to confusion.
I'm fine with someone believing a fetus is the equivalent of a born child. I'm fine with someone believing the intentional killing of a fetus is morally wrong for religious reasons or because they believe it is a child.

However until one

1) can logically, reasonably, and scientifically demonstrate what makes one a human being deserving of rights
2) demonstrate that a fetus has these qualities while animals, plants, rocks, body parts, etc do not
3) and justify the use of a human beings body for the survival of another human being (assuming 1 and 2 have been satisfied) where no other instance of such is legally or (imo) morally justified...

They are only moral beliefs and opinions and should have no bearing on laws that will ultimately only affect me and my body, not them and their bodies (assuming if pregnant they would not abort anyway and so I am the only one being *forced* to remain pregnant against my will by virtue of a law since they willingly want to be in such a condition if it were to occur and as such only those who are unwillingly pregnant are in a sense being legislated by pro-life laws).

***

Also, in the first posts there is an argument addressing why you can't kill someone in his or her sleep based on the opinion that it is ok to kill a fetus because it can't feel it/is unaware
I am totally and completely pro-choice.
A woman is the only one who is affected by pregnancy.
She is the only one who is responsible for it upon birth.
She is the one who can get hurt, and is in pain, when the child is born.
Who is to say that she has to go through that?
Sex is no longer about reproducing, but it has become an activity to show love, and for enjoyment and pleasure.
If a child happens along, a woman should have the choice to pass by the pain involved in childbirth.
In any case, males have no chance of childbirth when they have sex, so why should females have all of the repurcussions when the male can simply leave?

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Responsible, mature married adults don't have sex.

Responsible, mature people choose to never have sex, because sex is the most irresponsible immature thing one can do.

Responsible adults use birth control that magically never fails.

Mature people never have unintentional pregnacies because maturity negates the physical properties of condoms, birth control pills, etc.


*adds this to the list of things the abortion debate has taught me*

EDIT: The whole list:

Things I've learned debating abortion:

If I'm pregnant, I'm a slut.
If my birth control fails, it's because I'm a slut.
If I'm under or over a certain age, I'm a slut.
Sluts are bad.
If I get pregnant, I thought the sperm into my egg.
Condoms, patches, and pills are infallible simply by use. So is sterilization. But not gay sex, because it's evil.
One abortion will make my uterus explode, develop scar tissue my live collapse, and/or turn my ovaries into dead tissue. I will also fall into a giant pit of depression that I will never, ever climb out of, and it will taint everything I do.
There are thousands of women and teenagers out there who have sex and then have abortions so often it's like they're having coffee before work.
A woman decides on abortion as casually as she picks out ice cream flavors.
The doctor can shoot the baby coming down the canal, and it's still legal. Matter of fact, it's done quite regularly, since women love to waith nine months and then get abortions. It turns them on.
Pregnancy is a sensible and proper way to punish fertile women for having sexual desire and acting on it.
Responsibility means doing what other people want you to do to make them comfortable in life.
A person can awlays tell when they are fertile. Women visibly look like they're ovulating.
Selfishness can never, ever, be a good thing.
I can give a three month fetus up for adoption. And it's as easy as selling a rare My Little Pony on Ebay, regardless of race and health.
If I get raped, I either am slid a "Get out of Damnation Free" card or get told not to blame the baby.
Baby is a medical term. So is miscarriage, womb, c**k, hoo-hoo, doing it, and giggy.
Humans can think, breathe, write thesis papers, and s**t the second sperm hits egg, a la "Look who's Talking."
Anything that idoesn't have human DNA is worthless and can be slaughtered casually, but anything that has human DNA is holy and perfect and should never ever die. Except cancer, because it's obviously not made of human DNA.
God is right, and I am wrong. Specifically, the Christian fundamendalist or Catholic God.
I should probably wear a big red F on my shirt when I get pregnant because I am a dirty, dirty fornicator.
Married people should only have sex when they want children. This will not wreck a relationship at all. In fact, it will make htings wonderful.
Sex is never for any other reason than to have babies. Including gay sex (which is still evil evil evil) and mastuubation.
Marriage convenes on my every single resource I need to sucessfully raise a child to adulthood. So does age and good health.
The American medical system wil drop everything to care for you and confer free medical care on you the second you announce you are pregnant. Your job will promote you, and everyone will give you everything you will even need and help you out in the care of your child.
There is a very easy way to prove rape and no one ever thinks it's your fault, and so no one can ever lie about being raped. And it doesn't happen that often, so it's not a big deal and doesn't affect anything.
Other people are drastically affected by my getting or not getting an abortion. As a matter of fact, someone's going to be miserable and have their life destroyed because they won't have a best friend, girlfriend, boyfriend, brother or sister, or McDonald's server thanks to my abortion.


*claps*

In addition, I would like to add that the large majority of people who are against abortion and like to slap names like "slut" and "whore" on women who get pregnant on accident are usually those who:

1) Have never been, and/or never WILL be pregnant
2) Have only been WILLINGLY pregnant
3) Have been brainwashed into thinking pregnancy is some magical, Kodak adventure where you're going to have everything taken care of for you.
4) Have never had the desire to have sex (either becuase they are young and do not yet seriously harbor sexual desires for another person, or because they have homonal inbalance that make them inable to become sexually aroused)

In all of these instances, it's EASY to condemn and slander a woman because the condemner DOES NOT have to deal with the "sentence" that he or she is putting on the "slut." They profess to care about the fetus, but only spout condemnation on the woman and expect her to "deal" with it, as though pregnancy immediately turns a woman into a stable, monetarily secure, and happy willing mother-to-be.

It's EASY to say that something is wrong or bad if YOU YOURSELF do not ever need or feel that you'll have the need to take the option of abortion.

Many men seem to think that women are irresponsible to get abortions since OBVIOUSLY being a mother (no matter when or how from) is the GOAL of having a v****a. And many women aren't much better. They seem to think that being "quiver full" is some kind of divine goal for all women, despite the fact that (and you'll see this a lot on "nanny 911" and other such shows), after they pop out a baby, it's left to fend for itself, and the older kids are expected to care for the younger ones.

In all reality, I say hey! Judge all you like, but I'll be waving two big middle fingers right back atcha. Why? Because obviously, your nose does NOT belong in my uterus, and your morals do not belong in my v****a.

Make your own choices and write them off as you will. Because we all make mistakes, but just because you skin your knee and it gets infected does not mean you have to wait around until it gets gangrenous so you have to chop it off.
I think that abortion can be ok if the mother was at risk and she wasnt ready for a child.f
jonita
I think that abortion can be ok if the mother was at risk and she wasnt ready for a child.f


Anyone who doesn't want a kid isn't ready to have one.
[I am teh Haruka]
jonita
I think that abortion can be ok if the mother was at risk and she wasnt ready for a child.f


Anyone who doesn't want a kid isn't ready to have one.

Anyone who doesn't want a kid isn't someone that kids should have to be ready for.

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