Punishment for Rapists: Cardinal Punishment

[Steam Punk Adept]

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catspook

It is well known that going to prison in this country put you at a high risk of rape, so in a way we already have this system. And yet we still have rapists and the rapists we release often reoffend, so I really doubt your claim that this would be a deterrent or lower the recidivism rate.

I'm actually against vigilantism.

Well, go out and rape a rapist and see how long you can beat them in trial and stay out of prison

[catspook]

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catspook

It is well known that going to prison in this country put you at a high risk of rape, so in a way we already have this system. And yet we still have rapists and the rapists we release often reoffend, so I really doubt your claim that this would be a deterrent or lower the recidivism rate.

I'm actually against vigilantism.

That doesn't really answer my question. I wasn't asking about any "justice" issue, just the impact on deterrence and recidivism.

[Kani Jalo]

Fireweed_honey

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

Wow! Maybe I should have read that more clearly. I missed that part.

... Sarcasm?

[Fireweed_honey]

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Fireweed_honey

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

Wow! Maybe I should have read that more clearly. I missed that part.

... Sarcasm?

No, honesty. I missed that part (stupid of me since it's the first sentence) and thought he was just talking about harsher punishments in the legal system. It wasn't until I saw your post and went back did I see that.

[Princess Creampie]

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Feared and Fearless

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

While he's at it, he should make synthetics to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics by killing them with synthetics.

But yes, this is a terrible idea. I'm pretty sure OP wasn't serious.

He's either serious or trolling. /shrug

And half the time, troll's don't keep trying to argue their point... When they do, the fail about as badly as [Net] is.

His name should be Miss [Fishnet] Stockings; cause he is a dirty whore and must be punished accordingly. twisted

[Kani Jalo]

Gen_Desolas Arterius

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Feared and Fearless

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

While he's at it, he should make synthetics to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics by killing them with synthetics.

But yes, this is a terrible idea. I'm pretty sure OP wasn't serious.

He's either serious or trolling. /shrug

And half the time, troll's don't keep trying to argue their point... When they do, the fail about as badly as [Net] is.

His name should be Miss [Fishnet] Stockings; cause he is a dirty whore and must be punished accordingly. twisted

rofl

[catspook]

Steam Punk Adept

catspook

Steam Punk Adept

catspook

Steam Punk Adept

Rape in prison is far far less then you seem to think it is. But, since you already made a claim, could you post statistics on the percentage of inmates that are raped?

Well, according to this article 1 in 20 prisoners report being raped. And according to this article only 5% to 25% of rapes are reported. So the most conservative estimate would be that 1 in 5 prisoners are raped; that seems pretty damn significant to me.

Funny, this article, says it's much less

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After more than four decades of research, it is still unclear how much rape and sexually violent activity occurs in prisons, jails, and other corrections facilities in the United States. What is clear from research is that, as with rape in free society, prison rape goes largely unreported.

Of the hundreds of studies in institutional corrections, less than 25 research studies have been conducted on prison rape. Of those studies, some asked inmates to describe their victimizations, including nonconsensual activities other than rape, while others examined official reports filed by inmates. Because none of these studies were national in scope, it remains difficult to estimate the extent of the problem. A meta-analysis of this research estimates a 1.91 percent lifetime prevalence for all inmates in the United States

Thus, although the Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA) 2003 states that 13 percent of all inmates have been raped in American prisons and jails, the most recent research estimates less prevalence of rape, whether inmate-on-inmate or staff-on-inmate sexual misconduct.

It looks like that article only takes into account rapes that are reported; as rape is a highly underreported crime, I have a lot of concerns about that.

Now, would you like to back up the claims your made in the OP that your system would be an effective deterrent, both for first-time and repeat offenses?

I'm not the OP, and I don't agree with his stance.

But answer me this, how can you put statistics to unreported crimes? All you can do is assume a number, and assuming is well beyond inaccurate.

My apologies - I got confused.

And I never claimed to have hard-and-fast numbers; only that the risk is both significant and highly publicized. I showed you where I got that estimate from and why I have concern about the source you provided. You've explained your concerns about mine; unless you have more sources, I think we're at a stalemate.

My apologies again for confusing you with the OP.

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catspook

It is well known that going to prison in this country put you at a high risk of rape, so in a way we already have this system. And yet we still have rapists and the rapists we release often reoffend, so I really doubt your claim that this would be a deterrent or lower the recidivism rate.

I'm actually against vigilantism.

Well, go out and rape a rapist and see how long you can beat them in trial and stay out of prison

That would make me a vigilante...

[Kani Jalo]

Oh, right. Another issue that just occurred to me. It's the same problem with the death penalty.

What happens when you convict a person, rape them, and find out later that they were innocent? They'd be rape victims in the eyes of the law then, regardless of how you try to pretty it up. You can't un-rape someone any more than you can bring them back from the dead. It's a serious mistake, with heavy moral consequences for everyone involved.

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Gen_Desolas Arterius

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Feared and Fearless

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

While he's at it, he should make synthetics to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics by killing them with synthetics.

But yes, this is a terrible idea. I'm pretty sure OP wasn't serious.

He's either serious or trolling. /shrug

And half the time, troll's don't keep trying to argue their point... When they do, the fail about as badly as [Net] is.

His name should be Miss [Fishnet] Stockings; cause he is a dirty whore and must be punished accordingly. twisted

...Are you coming on to me?

[AliKat1988]

I think that there is a major problem with this that you need to consider. Rapists often have been sexually abused in their childhoods. I do not think for such individuals receiving 'cardinal' punishment will teach them anything if their experience of sex as being damaging to a person is reinforced. I also doubt that the rape victims would feel much better from this-it would be better to have the victim confront the rapist with the rapist restrained sufficiently, though I am not sure how well that would work.

[Princess Creampie]

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Gen_Desolas Arterius

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Feared and Fearless

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So, you want to create rapists to stop rape?

While he's at it, he should make synthetics to prevent organics from being killed by synthetics by killing them with synthetics.

But yes, this is a terrible idea. I'm pretty sure OP wasn't serious.

He's either serious or trolling. /shrug

And half the time, troll's don't keep trying to argue their point... When they do, the fail about as badly as [Net] is.

His name should be Miss [Fishnet] Stockings; cause he is a dirty whore and must be punished accordingly. twisted

...Are you coming on to me?

Who knows? I could be at your house right now getting ready for the best rape -ever.-

Plz raep me. I'm so dirty. emotion_kirakira

[tuxkatz6]

catspook

It is well known that going to prison in this country put you at a high risk of rape, so in a way we already have this system. And yet we still have rapists and the rapists we release often reoffend, so I really doubt your claim that this would be a deterrent or lower the recidivism rate.

What is your definition of often? I've done a lot of research about recidivism rates for various crimes and it was clear that sex offenders have among the lowest recidivism rates, if not the lowest - especially when it comes to committing another sex crime.

[A Menina Pianista]

Cardinal punishment doesn't sound feasible because you would have to find someone to do the job who could even tolerate being near a rapist, which is a feat in itself. I think the criminal should be placed on a chair in front of a TV and made to watch a 12 hour loop of bad music videos. No one would commit crimes if they had to watch this as punishment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HeE6NWmDE

"Hot girls we have problems too, we're just like you... except we're hot" xd

[Aporeia]

Oh please tell me this is a troll. I really hope this is a troll.

[Net]

Cardinal punishment is a term, that I have invented, for a type of punishment that I believe should be issued to rapists. To describe the punishment, it involves restraining the rapist in a room where a volunteer, that I shall dub the "deliverer", sexually penetrates the rapist against their will.

Reasons why I believe cardinal punishment should be institutionalized:

-To deliver justice. What more appropiate form of justice is there than to make the punishment fit the crime?

A long prison sentence and/or heavy fines for physical abuse and emotional damage?

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-To help bring relief to victims of rape. Rape victims are traumatized from the event, and their families also suffer as a result. Sentencing rapists to cardinal punishment can help victims heal.

Really? So a woman traumatized by rape will somehow feel better that her rapist was raped by a government official?

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-It would be a great crime deterrent. People would be more reluctant to rape if there's a possibility of facing cardinal punishment.

No, people would be less willing to be caught. Possibly more likely to resort to post-rape murder.

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-If rapists are sentenced to cardinal punishment, their time in prison could be reduced. This would help with the issue of overcrowed prisons as well as the costs of maintaining those prisons.

No they wouldn't. I highly doubt prison sentences would ever be reduced.

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-It would deter the rapist from raping again. Eventually, rapists are given parole. Even worse, they can escape prison before their time is served. But by teaching them a lesson with cardinal punishment, they would be unlikely to rape again (compared to if they were only given a prison sentence).

Rape is about control. They have control taken from them, so they will want it back. I honestly think male rape victims are probably more likely to become rapists themselves later in life.