NOT A BOY OR GIRL! DIFFERENT GENDER! v2.0 (REWRITE 16/06/07)

What are your thoughts on androgynes?

Just like everyone else.	47.7%	[ 1790 ]
Just want to get away with crossdressing without being a REAL TG.	4.0%	[ 149 ]
What the hell? This makes no sense.	7.1%	[ 267 ]
Who cares?	11.1%	[ 416 ]
They're going to hell like all the other queers.	3.0%	[ 112 ]
POLLWHORE GIMME MAH GOLDS!	15.4%	[ 578 ]
Too long, didn't read.	11.7%	[ 437 ]
Total Votes:			[ 3749 ]

[bluerain202]

Being uncomfotable having a p***s or v****a is one thing. I have some "masculine" interests, what the hell does it matter -_-. Gah, I hate gender crying . I don't think people should worry about how they act or dress, if you identify as being "androgynous", great. Mostly gender is bullshit, it's just stereotypical characteristics. Sure, it probably has more psychological tendancies, but really, is being yourself something to worry about? Or bother to make up a group about it? I understand embracing differences but people need to remember the commonalities as well.

Eh I guess identity is just a big hump in most people's lives. It's hard to fit into a little group, and when we don't we fixate ourselves into a group we make up?

I agree that androgyny exists, but to different degrees, I think that is something that is really cool to explore. Physically, a girl could have slightly masculine features but have "female" interests. A person could dress both effeminately and masculinely. A female could dress like a male but be comfortable with her sex. Each of these categories are distinctive.

I do not dismiss the route of attraction either. My bisexual attraction, my attraction in general, prefers physically (or habitually) androgynous people- tomboys and effeminate men. I myself can identify with dressing both extremely femme and basically masculine. I choose to embrace both "yin and yang", sides of myself I think are present in everyone. I look and "act" like a girl, but sure, I can go with the guys, and sure, I'll play basketball and WoW.

[Animalsrox788]

When you say that you do not identify with either gender, what do you mean? Do you not look like a boy or a girl? Do you not feel/act like a boy or girl? I do not know what to think about androgyne, because I do not know much about them, what they are like, what they look like. I have never heard of them before now, sorry.

[Ceyx]

Cassidy Peterson

Taineyah

I put on makeup or act like a girl and I feel WRONG.

I am physically and socially female and this applies to me as well. Not because I'm dissatisfied with my gender, but because I don't let my tits make my decisions for me. My opinions regarding money and color have a vastly greater effect on the makeup and clothes I wear than my crotch does.

My opinions regarding money are also why I have six-year-old lipstick that cost me a dollar when my stepmother says lipstick should be thrown away after two years and most brands cost upwards of four dollars whee

I doubt being cheap can be seen as being androgynous.

I don't understand how you feeling like the opposite sex MAKES you the opposite sex. If you look up "girl" it clearly states that the term applies strictly to females. The same goes for "boy". I'm not saying you can't feel like the opposite sex, but that feeling doesn't MAKE you the opposite sex.

[lobservatrice]

I really frankly couldn't care less if someone is an androgyne. You're a human, so hey, hello, what's up, let's go get coffee after class, and let's be done with it.

I'd say I'm usually pretty accepting of people. And I don't know why other people aren't. I mean, it's not you [you being directed at anyone reading this]! You can go and be your own weird little person, why should anyone else care? It's really none of their business. And they can do the same thing. What difference does it make? We're all people, living this life, in this world. And yet we can't get along with each other.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Heh, sorry, got a little off topic.

[Cassidy Peterson]

Ceyx

I doubt being cheap can be seen as being androgynous.

It doesn't. Just pointing out that one doesn't need to be a female androgyne to be uncomfortable with "typical" female behaviour.

I'm seen as unfeminine by some for not wearing certain clothes or makeup. But when one is unfeminine in a non-masculine way, what is that?

...Seriously, what is it. I want a word to throw at people who call me unfeminine without automatically resorting to "I'm a manly man!"

[Taineyah]

Cassidy Peterson

Taineyah

I put on makeup or act like a girl and I feel WRONG.

I am physically and socially female and this applies to me as well. Not because I'm dissatisfied with my gender, but because I don't let my tits make my decisions for me. My opinions regarding money and color have a vastly greater effect on the makeup and clothes I wear than my crotch does.

My opinions regarding money are also why I have six-year-old lipstick that cost me a dollar when my stepmother says lipstick should be thrown away after two years and most brands cost upwards of four dollars whee

It's deeper than just feeling like this is not right for me. I feel absolutely wrong when I wear makeup or act like a girl or carry a purse. When I get my period, I get really paranoid and think that everyone is watching me to be able to point out to me that I am female if I get a leak. I can't think of any way to explain better. I just don't feel right at all. I feel like a liar and a freak when I put on clothes that match my physical sex. I feel about as wrong as most people would feel, I'd imagine, if they were forced to go to school or work absolutely nude.

[Taineyah]

Ceyx

Cassidy Peterson

Taineyah

I put on makeup or act like a girl and I feel WRONG.

I am physically and socially female and this applies to me as well. Not because I'm dissatisfied with my gender, but because I don't let my tits make my decisions for me. My opinions regarding money and color have a vastly greater effect on the makeup and clothes I wear than my crotch does.

My opinions regarding money are also why I have six-year-old lipstick that cost me a dollar when my stepmother says lipstick should be thrown away after two years and most brands cost upwards of four dollars whee

I doubt being cheap can be seen as being androgynous.

I don't understand how you feeling like the opposite sex MAKES you the opposite sex. If you look up "girl" it clearly states that the term applies strictly to females. The same goes for "boy". I'm not saying you can't feel like the opposite sex, but that feeling doesn't MAKE you the opposite sex.

We're not talking sex. We're talking gender. They are two different things. You can be sexed female but be gendered male or sexed male but gendered androgyne.

[Taineyah]

dreamcatcher23

i wouldnt call them a third gender, more like lack-thereof.

A lack of gender is still a gender identity, so in a non-spectrum gendered world, lack of gender becomes the third or fourth gender, depending on how you label the people who are both of the traditional genders.

[Ceyx]

Cassidy Peterson

Ceyx

I doubt being cheap can be seen as being androgynous.

It doesn't. Just pointing out that one doesn't need to be a female androgyne to be uncomfortable with "typical" female behaviour.

I'm seen as unfeminine by some for not wearing certain clothes or makeup. But when one is unfeminine in a non-masculine way, what is that?

...Seriously, what is it. I want a word to throw at people who call me unfeminine without automatically resorting to "I'm a manly man!"

Oh, I see what you were saying. Sorry about the mistake.

I don't know that there's a word for it, apart from just saying you aren't feminine.

[Lambie Love]

I've heard of this but I never knew the actual names or refrences. I only knew that sometimes they have no breasts or sexual organ. Others I've heard there a type of chymera, sorry if I spelt that wront.

I don't have an issue with them but I don't really see how they are a third gender is gender refers to sexual organs pretty much.

This is pretty confusing to think about to me because it's almost like an identity crisis in a war to fit in with society.

[Ceyx]

Taineyah

We're not talking sex. We're talking gender. They are two different things. You can be sexed female but be gendered male or sexed male but gendered androgyne.

I should have specified... my comment was directed toward the transsexual posts that have accumulated.

[Taineyah]

Lambie Love

I've heard of this but I never knew the actual names or refrences. I only knew that sometimes they have no breasts or sexual organ. Others I've heard there a type of chymera, sorry if I spelt that wront.

We're not talking about intersex here, which is what you are talking about. We're talking about gender, which I defined in the first post.

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I don't have an issue with them but I don't really see how they are a third gender is gender refers to sexual organs pretty much.

No. Gender refers to the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences, not biological ones.) I got this definition from Oxford.

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This is pretty confusing to think about to me because it's almost like an identity crisis in a war to fit in with society.

It is an identity crisis in that war, in some ways.... Only thing is, I don't have an identity crisis so much as a "other people tend to think that if you're like me, you're some kind of freak.

[Taineyah]

Ceyx

Taineyah

We're not talking sex. We're talking gender. They are two different things. You can be sexed female but be gendered male or sexed male but gendered androgyne.

I should have specified... my comment was directed toward the transsexual posts that have accumulated.

Okay! I just wanted to make sure you were clear, because of those posts. Glad to see we're on the same page!

[Cassidy Peterson]

Ceyx

I don't know that there's a word for it, apart from just saying you aren't feminine.

Calling myself a manly man stops being funny if it's the only response I have to being unfeminine.

And the entire reason I call myself a manly man is because D-cups and belching competitions are the best combo in the world.

Taineyah

It's deeper than just feeling like this is not right for me. I feel absolutely wrong when I wear makeup or act like a girl or carry a purse. When I get my period, I get really paranoid and think that everyone is watching me to be able to point out to me that I am female if I get a leak. I can't think of any way to explain better. I just don't feel right at all. I feel like a liar and a freak when I put on clothes that match my physical sex. I feel about as wrong as most people would feel, I'd imagine, if they were forced to go to school or work absolutely nude.

While I don't entirely understand, I am sympathetic - and that's a lot for me, since I have trouble empathizing. I spent years trying to hide my femaleness. My breasts are a point of extreme paranoia to me, and the only reason I carry a "purse" around is because it's actually a lunchbag with a shoulder strap xd

I can't begin to define the wrongness I get from wearing dresses and skirts [outside of a costuming scenario in which case I don't feel gender/sex is even relevent beyond covering your crotch and physical-females covering their chests - which is more a hatred of boobies than any "moral" issue]. I almost skipped my grandmother's funeral because I though I'd have to wear a skirt, and while I'm secure in my identity now, skirts aren't part of that identity.

And I'm terrified that I won't be able to find men's shorts that fit me this summer after my recent weight loss. Women's clothing has always been a major factor in my not wanting to be female, even though I don't always necessarily want to be a man.