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Belethiel
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MuffinTheOrphan
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I really don't understand why all of you are getting SO upset over Twilight.
Honestly, you're all acting like a bunch of little kids. Only a 5 year old would rant and rave on how their opinions are golden and others are s**t.
So what, a lot of people, including myself obviously, like the Twilight Saga. And there's nothing wrong with that! And there is absolutely nothing that you can do, say, rant, rave, preach, or scream at us to change that. Some of you, or a lot of you rather, hate the Twilight Saga. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that either, even if most of you don't know what the hell you're talking about. But at the end of the day it is your opinion, and your opinion, is your own.
That's like biting someone's head off, just because they prefer pink over yellow.
Seriously, grow up.
I don't understand why you seem upset. Then again, I dont like that you say that most of us have no clue what we're talking about. How do we not know what we're talking about? I ask because no one likes assumptions, especially when they're wrong ones. I'd also like to know why you think antis are holding their opinion as the law and others as s**t. It is starting to get ridiculous that a few say that yet never extrapolate on the wild accusation that the antis here are big assholes who only want to see their own opinions and bash the opinions of fans. Did you miss the pink words that bluntly said that antis will never be right, that he/she will always be right because they're holding their own opinion as forever right without and proof otherwise? I'd seriously like to know how all these asumptions came to be.
Oh sweetie, I am not upset, let this be known. Elven year old kids, sitting at their computers acting big and tough, do not make me upset. And it is true; most of you have no clue what you're talking about. When someone states their opinion, and the antis jump on them as if they were poor starving orphans who haven't seen a meal in forever, doesn't it seem as if they are a little full of themselves? As if their opinions are golden, and anyone who crosses their opinions are s**t? And no, I did not see that post, but if that is what the person stated that word for word, then he/she too, is an idiot. Regardless of he/she like Twilight. Anyone who thinks that their opinions are gold compared to others is an idiot. Only if they said that word for word; I know some antis and trolls like to switch the innocents words around a lot.
What? Please, come up with an example. I haven't seen a reg here NOT know what they're talking about in regards to Twilight! A lot of us know the series better than the fans do.
It's not just an opinion, Twilight is objectively bad since the author doesn't understand typical writing tools and what a writer does to create something good. There are rules for the English language and rules for story telling. Rules for good writing have existed since humans started recording stories. There ARE tried and true methods of creating characters and plot. Now, you can break these rules only if you understand them, but I see no evidence that Stephanie Meyer understands the basic rules of writing.
Thus, she writes poorly. I don't just hate Twilight, I hate The Host, too. This is coming from a former neutral, I only realized Twilight was utter crap when I learned how to write.
This right here, is an example of a person who thinks her opinion is gold.
And saying that something is bad or good IS AN OPINION.
REGARDLESS of what you are talking about and REGARDLESS of if that topic has specific "rules".
A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. That is what "opinion" means. And there is not fact that says that Twilight is a bad story. I don't think so, and various others don't think so either. Therefor it is NOT a fact.
I said it was bad with complete objectivity. I never said no one couldn't like it. It's just bad writing. :l
A Mary Sue character is nearly ALWAYS bad (unless in the hands of a good writer who knows how to write flawed characters, but chooses not to but manages to create good drama with the Sue... these writers are rare and are not Stephanie Meyer) unless if it's a Parody Sue, which is only there to parody Mary Suedom. Bella has been proven to be a Mary Sue. Edward is also a Gary Stu, and it can be argued that the whole vampire race is Sueful itself since it has no real weaknesses. Suedom is objective, it means a character that doesn't have a flaw and too many redeeming characteristics.
If you don't know what a Mary Sue is,
look here and here. Bella has many of the characteristics.
There, that is one rule Meyer ignored, main characters need to be well-rounded, either two dimensional or three dimensional with a flaw. Bella is not, I'm not even sure if she is 2D, but she is certainly not 3D, and Meyer thinks she is. I can keep going.
Look deeper, this is more than a matter of opinion. I'm sick and tired of people going, "Well, that's just your opinion, so NEYH!" And if it was an opinion, you wouldn't care about it because you would then dismiss it as an opinion. That is circular reasoning and it does not work, so I'm not going to partake in it.
No. Twilight broke the rules of storytelling and not in a good way, making it bad literature.
Okay, think of it like this. A book is like a complicated math problem. There are crucial parts it needs to work properly and end up with a correct end product. Twilight is an equation that is missing many, many parts, and it just does not work the way it should.
On the other side of the coin, a book can be objectively good. I personally hated The Great Gatsby because I found it to be dull because I like fantasy and science fiction and TGG was a soap opera on paper. But was it well-written, therefore good? Yes. The characters were flawed, fatally so, and there was a well connected plot. Everything made sense in the setting.
I can't say the same for Twilight.