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TYEGLOW
it's not like she is going to display her art at the louvre.
so what does it matter how good someone is?


Judging from your COMPLETE inability to put these replies into context (what's with replying to people as if you've got some goldfish memory?). Let me dumb it down for you:

1. You asked for opinions on some artist.

2. People said why they didn't like artist.

3. Cue the bitchfest.

4. It's being explained to you why people don't like said artist. Said artist has a lot of flaws and to people with trained eyes, all of the glaring inconsistencies stick out.
People like artists who are good at drawing. That's why it matters.



One more time (apparently certain dead horses need to be beaten with you):
Many people prefer skillfully made artwork. It matters how good someone is, in this thread, that you made, specifically asking for opinions, because in a discussion, people explain themselves. You're getting butthurt because..?

And don't say you're not. If you had any ability to get over yourself and realize that liking artists who are classically skilled at drawing is NORMAL, you wouldn't be reacting the way you are, including making a whole other thread and causing more arguments. Is it because your "Favorite Artist EVER!!!" isn't good enough to get into the Louvre and it's painfully being pointed out to you in great detail, or what?

What are you even trying to prove at this point? None of your replies explain any kind of consistent viewpoint, you're just trying to attack people. First, you insult AnnaCrackers' art, and then you turn around and say something like "so what does it matter how good someone is?". If you truly didn't care about your favorite artist not being very skilled then people saying that (s)he isn't very skilled wouldn't bother you, especially when you asked for our opinions, and you wouldn't insult someone else's art (even as an "example". Your point would have been better proven by -not- insulting the artwork but instead you chose to act vindictively) since skill clearly doesn't matter to you (unless you're lying). We get it, you like an artist who doesn't have high technical skills in drawing. That doesn't mean anyone else has to like the same artist.

Next time, just STFU and be honest. When you plug some artist online and "ask for opinions", it's best to avoid all this by saying what you mean. Here, feel free to copy and past this for next time:

"Don't reply to my post unless you completely agree with me!"


I don't know, but I like Rikshe's style more..
The first one of the samples is kind of 'plain' because it's so... solid? The composition is nice though. The anatomy is good, I guess. Rikshe's is just more stylized, and while it's more 'wrong' in terms of anatomy, I like it more.

The second sample's colors are really well done, I would raise my hat for that... but yet, I still like Rikshe's colors more, because they bring more feeling and impact to the paintings.


but yes, I do agree on the inexperienced part, she hasn't learnt the basics, which does lower her art in my eyes, but I do find her art more captivating and interesting than those two samples you showed.
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i really like riokshte. her drawing style and the way she uses her coloring program is simply amazing and unique. she is also a really great person and is nice to everyone who is nice to her, so that just a plus.

all of you who say that she needs to work on things or that she's amatuer, i think that you are rather wrong. she draws amazingly and i highly doubt any of you could actually draw just as great as her. and the person who put that her artwork is s**t, you shouldn't be bashing and you are just plan jealous of they way she draws and everything else about her art. if riokshte ever reads, i am sorry if you had some bad feelings about this post and i never meant to bring you harm.

Are you serious?
Anna Crackers has her art in her sig.Lucifer, though direct makes valid points, and I can draw just fine.

I'm sure lots of people don't like vomit colours together. It's not unique. And her pictures are amateur, they're not even finished pieces. I saw the notebook paper lines in one of the images. Sorry but if you're too lazy to even edit out the note book paper... :/


I understand that you don't favor her art. but seriously, you need to distinguish between criticism and hateful comments. Annacrackers is a good artist, but i can point things in her art, for example in her signature, the girls fingers look stuck. and the painting style is so generic. thats not really criticism now is it?

i know there are principles in art. but does it matter all the time. what your eyes miserably fail to notice is the emotion that some of her pieces have, yea they may look unfinished to you, so what? she's not trying to be ******** a davinci. yea i consider her my favorite artist, but for reasons that you will never realize apparently.

if you decide to reply, dont act like a s**t and post some garbage comment, be smart.


Dude, at least she CAN draw fingers.
rolleyes


okay...?

Your precious skims over the fingers and hands, just making sketchy lines compared to the detail to other parts.

Frankly, I like how she can draw eyes and actually make some saturation work, but it's not my favorite style.


Amen to Pink.
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You know if you want to start an argument with me, maybe you could not use curse words. Emotions in her pieces. Maybe I do fail to see emotion in almost generic anime art, but who am I to talk I have an opinion on her art. Just because we don't have the same opinion doesn't mean that you can belittle mine.

I was talking to someone else and pointing out why this artist is not very good. I wasn't even talking to you.

Incidentally, this is not about opinion at all. If you'd actually read my reply, you'd have known that I'm just giving the facts here. I don't like either of the pieces that I linked to, either, but I can recognize artistic competence when I see it. And artistic incompetence is pretty easy to spot too.

@Onisfi -- I don't even know how to respond to your post, I'm sorry. But I'm going to try.

The first example is for official "Avatar" artwork. Because this is for a magazine cover, the artist had to leave a lot of empty space for the title, etc. That may be why it looks plain to you.

As for you liking Riokshe's colors better than Loish's, well, I really don't know how to respond to that, because she really is not good at handling color at all.
And this is what happens when you namedrop an artist you like & make it the main point of discussion.

To the OP:This is the AD. We form differing opinions & criticize no matter what the situation is. I understand you adore her work but people will always have opposing opinions.

On a side note, I think I'm failing as an AP Art student because....I actually like her work .__. We're actually learning about the color wheel & color schemes in class and I can see this artist actually uses some of it. I guess since I'm attracted to bright colors, I like her stuff automatically.

Eh, to each their own.
I don't find her truely horrible because I've seen worse x__x
Trust me.
Unchi-tan

@Onisfi -- I don't even know how to respond to your post, I'm sorry. But I'm going to try.

The first example is for official "Avatar" artwork. Because this is for a magazine cover, the artist had to leave a lot of empty space for the title, etc. That may be why it looks plain to you.

As for you liking Riokshe's colors better than Loish's, well, I really don't know how to respond to that, because she really is not good at handling color at all.


No, it probably looks hollow, because it is hollow, to me. All the lines are plain and the colors are... blank, flat. Riokshe has nice lines, I really like her sketchyness, it gives the pictures life. That sample picture of yours doesn't really say anything to me, it's just "hey, three people standing there and staring" and nothing brings an impact, or lets me think about the picture again. Just because she/he can draw tidy lines, doesn't make her art look good in my eyes. Riokshe's anatomy might be more flawed, but it looks much prettier to my eyes.
But by far, I'm not saying that NotThePornStar is a bad artist - he/she knows the stuff, and has he's/she's own thing going on.

I think she's pretty good at handling colors. Loish 'knows' the stuff better and can bring more realistic colors... but Riokshe's makes me think "oh wow! Pretty." Kinda like this one; http://riokshte.deviantart.com/art/Forest-Dancer-90977079
It's just very pleasing to look at it.
And while I'm usually very prone to have a headache from too small text/bad monitor/horrible neon text or even spending too much time on computer, these pictures don't hurt my eyes at all, on the contrary.

In other words - it is a matter of opinion. While she might not know the basics, I really do prefer her sketchyness, neon colors and anatomy over the other stuff that you showed, because of the feelings and impact they have.
I don't believe you could have the same impact with the other stuff you linked.

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I decided not to keep the artist in question in the dark, and thought it would be good if one of us gave a nice, sandwiched critique. However, she flipped a biscui, and is fine with her art and doesn't care about art theory or anything like that.

So I guess any comment about her art is on deaf ears.
AnnaCrackers
I decided not to keep the artist in question in the dark, and thought it would be good if one of us gave a nice, sandwiched critique. However, she flipped a biscui, and is fine with her art and doesn't care about art theory or anything like that.

So I guess any comment about her art is on deaf ears.


Shame.
Another artist lost on Deviantart's popularity contest. Although I didn't really expect too much, considering her writing style...

May I have a link to your comment, if you don't mind posting it?
Onisfi
In other words - it is a matter of opinion. While she might not know the basics, I really do prefer her sketchyness, neon colors and anatomy over the other stuff that you showed, because of the feelings and impact they have.

Your personal preference for her work does not make it superior to the ones that I linked to. Much in the same way that Rob Liefeld's fandom doesn't make him a competent artist by any means.

She's really, really bad -- there is actually nothing good about her work at all. Like I said before, anatomy is not subjective. Maybe in a few years you'll see what I mean. Maybe you won't. Whatever works for you.

AnnaCrackers
I decided not to keep the artist in question in the dark, and thought it would be good if one of us gave a nice, sandwiched critique. However, she flipped a biscui, and is fine with her art and doesn't care about art theory or anything like that.

So I guess any comment about her art is on deaf ears.

But of course it is. I'm surprised you even tried. Her art screams "no effort, just shiny" -- there hasn't been any improvement in years, she's not even trying to get better. She's happy with her "shiny baka nano desu yo!!!" anime stuff and she's happy with her fans and she isn't going to move a muscle, ever, to change any of that.

But this is a good thing, Anna. More jobs for us. blaugh
Unchi-tan; No, I see what you mean with bad anatomy.

What I don't understand is the obsession with anatomy and basics that you have - I see something wrong with that you have to first study years to be able to not like someone's art. I'm not really the best artist around, but at one point I really thought that anatomy is everything that matters. Then I realized art is about what pleases the eyes, which is a matter of opinion. It took a while, but I learnt to see good again where I only saw mistakes before.

It is your opinion that correct anatomy looks better than 'wrong' anatomy. Anatomy itself is not subjective.
Onisfi
Riokshe has nice lines, I really like her sketchyness, it gives the pictures life.


She could have nice lines if she'd actually refine he drawings and understand the concept of lineweight. I think of this "sketchiness just LOOKS better so no effort is needed" attitude as Megatokyo Syndrome.



And like I said before, Riokshe's colors actually wouldn't be so bad if she didn't dabble white hilights all over everything with no regard to light direction. Its like she looked at one too many CLAMP illustrations.
Manga Punk Sai


She could have nice lines if she'd actually refine he drawings and understand the concept of lineweight. I think of this "sketchiness just LOOKS better so no effort is needed" attitude as Megatokyo Syndrome.


Sketchiness sometimes takes a lot more effort than refined lines. :|
I've never been fond of refined lines, lineweight or not. It's just blank and lifeless looking.


edit: just a note, for some reason the upper link of your signature gives me a virus warning "JS:Redirector-D [Trj]", a trojan? Probably not a virus since virus programs are a bit too happy about making warnings, but might be worth to check out why it does that.
Onisfi
It is your opinion that correct anatomy looks better than 'wrong' anatomy. Anatomy itself is not subjective.

Okay, let me try to explain this in a different way.

I'm not obsessed with perfect, life-like anatomy. My favorite artist is Egon Schiele. In case you don't know the guy, he was the absolute king of twisted anatomy and sketchy lines. The thing is, he actually understood the human body, so his twisted characters are believable and his work is consistent. This is what I mean when I say "good anatomy" -- not necessarily perfect, Da Vinci-esque proportions, but a believable, solid structure.

The problem with this artist is that her anatomy is inconsistent because she doesn't know what she's doing.

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Megatokyo Syndrome.

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And like I said before, Riokshe's colors actually wouldn't be so bad if she didn't dabble white hilights all over everything with no regard to light direction. Its like she looked at one too many CLAMP illustrations.

Yeah, she's using too much pure white. It's the so-called "CLAMP dandruff" -- an epidemic on DA, and there seems to be no cure!

Again, this happens because the artist doesn't know what she's doing. If she understood light, she would be able to pull it off nicely. But she doesn't understand light so somebody buy those characters some shampoo or something because damn.

Edit: Onisfi, there's a difference between a sketch and a doodle.

Here's a Schiele:

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@BunnyCupCakes -- this is why I don't offer critiques unless I'm asked. Though I disagree with the whole idea that "doing it for fun" makes it OK to suck at it, that is definitely personal and I have no business trying to convinced the artist to think otherwise.
AnnaCrackers
I decided not to keep the artist in question in the dark, and thought it would be good if one of us gave a nice, sandwiched critique. However, she flipped a biscui, and is fine with her art and doesn't care about art theory or anything like that.

So I guess any comment about her art is on deaf ears.

Or maybe she does art for fun?
Ever thought about that?

Does art=/=wants to become a proffesional artist.

Alot of people mistake that with writing fanfiction too. While it may seem logical that if a person does it alot, they would want a career out of it but it can just be....well, a hobby? Simple as that.

I'm not saying you guys don't have the right to still critique her and create your own opinions on her art but if she doesn't care for improvement, she doesn't care. Many see that as a bad thing but that's HER business.

To be honest, if I drew art for fun and someone gave me a full-out critique, I would just say "thank you for your consideration" and not give a damn about it because that's not what I'm aiming for.

Either that OR she's a t**t lol lol
Unchi-tan: /check's the artist up
oh wow, those are good. :D~~ I love those lines and the way he uses anatomy...


But no, I really do know what you mean.
And I do agree that her anatomy isn't good at all and it's inconsistent. I like it anyways.

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