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[Sen Natsu]

x_DivineDesire_x

Sen Natsu

x_DivineDesire_x

This is a forum...This is where people talk about anything the hell they want. What? You never thought you would meet a person who had different opinions than you?
I don't have a tumblr. I don't protest. I like talking.

As I said, over-inflated.

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What is a fact? That I have my own independent thinking? Oh thanks.

That your brain isn't fully formed, which you seem intent on proving.

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I'll give a hint as to how old old I am. I can vote.

I'll give you a hint on how many ******** I give.
It's zero.

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Are you above 18 or 20?

Interesting question, but the bigger question is why you're asking. It instantly smacks of playground age=superiority arguments. 24 btw.

The only thing you seem to be telling me is your only argument is I am not the same age as you.
Immature.

called it. Ignoring.

[N3bu]

Queen Shining Heaven

GunsmithKitten

Queen Shining Heaven

Well, yes, this is a very left-wing site. You'll find few conservatives or even moderates, and the conservatives who do exist are usually the worst kind or complete jerks. I don't really mind the left-wing politics, though the abundant amount of atheism does, at times

Why does the atheism bug you? Plenty of Christian (and Christian conservative) themed forums out there if it really bites into you that bad....

I don't mean regular atheism, I mean the "religion is the root of all evil" kind of atheists

You'll notice that often with these people they tend to share a lot with their particular religious counterparts in that it's not about what they believe, but how much of a jerk they can be while believing it.

[Wendigo]

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

[Christien Chalfant]

x_DivineDesire_x

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

Well I am not even 20 yet but I am conservative in most ways...what does that make me? Confused? or a prodigy?

I think Classical Libertarian have some good views. I like to think I am one in some ways but...I don't really fit.

Ha well that's just how the saying goes. I'm under 20 as well but my dad was a Micro and Macroeconomics professor so I had about an hour of economics every day for at least 8 years as well as tons and tons of history from him.
I'd definitely say you're not confused, perhaps a prodigy though wink
It seems to me that young liberals are very passionate about the "idealistic" views of liberal parties.

[Christien Chalfant]

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

[Noogie]

Commander Kojiro

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

Do you want poor people to die?

[N3bu]

Noogie

Commander Kojiro

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

Do you want poor people to die?

Who doesn't? Be a joiner man!

[Christien Chalfant]

Noogie

Commander Kojiro

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

Do you want poor people to die?

No, but giving them shitty healthcare that will cost them jobs and a lesser salary, giving them longer lines to stand in for medical care that might not even receive in time, people with the sniffles getting care before those who need more care because they were in line first, reducing the quality of care by general socialized medicine and less specialized care, as well as taxing millions of people to care for everybody at the expense of their own wealth however small or large, especially working members taxed to pay for the care of someone who doesn't work, as well as making physicians and doctors government employees and making the medical field government run will decrease its efficiency, combined with no more competition between surgeons and staff to be the best at their job because they all will be government workers where patients will not be able to choose the best doctor based on their history but will instead be assigned one.

So yes. I want poor people to die if that answers your question.

[Wendigo]

Commander Kojiro

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

Kinda figured you don't. Hence my saying so.

Anyhoo, were you quoting an intellectual or a philosopher rather than a Prime Minister, I'd be inclined to accept such an argument. As it is, Churchill's definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" become important.

This is complicated by the fact that in the UK, "Liberal" and "Conservative" are political parties. Churchill was the leader of the Conservative party for 15 years. So, it is quite likely that Churchill was referring to Conservative, the party, when he used the word conservative.

That comes with a platform. Have fun.

[Christien Chalfant]

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

How does the saying go?
If you're not a liberal at 20 you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at 40 you have no brain.

Though I would prefer Classic Liberalism over conservatism. But that's just me.

'Course, people who quote Churchill on this nowadays likely don't believe in universal healthcare, like Churchill did.

All I did was quote him. To quote somebody you don't have to believe in everything they say. It's just a quote.
Regardless, I do not support universal healthcare.

Kinda figured you don't. Hence my saying so.

Anyhoo, were you quoting an intellectual or a philosopher rather than a Prime Minister, I'd be inclined to accept such an argument. As it is, Churchill's definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" become important.

This is complicated by the fact that in the UK, "Liberal" and "Conservative" are political parties. Churchill was the leader of the Conservative party for 15 years. So, it is quite likely that Churchill was referring to Conservative, the party, when he used the word conservative.

That comes with a platform. Have fun.

So are you saying that a Prime Minister cannot be an intellectual or philosopher?
And regardless on my knowledge of Churchill and the UK Conservative Party, the quote is meant to influence Americans, not the British.
Though the UK Conservatives still support free trade and limited state interference, which is the impact I meant for the quote to give.

[Wendigo]

Commander Kojiro

So are you saying that a Prime Minister cannot be an intellectual or philosopher?

I'm saying that people who are intellectuals or philosophers, but not politicians, can be separated from their personal habits and political convictions easily when discussing their attitudes and beliefs.

Politicians cannot easily be separated from politics.

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And regardless on my knowledge of Churchill and the UK Conservative Party, the quote is meant to influence Americans, not the British.

That's silly, as it was allegedly spoken by a Brit. Surely he would be speaking to influence Brits. Or at least limies.

[Christien Chalfant]

Wendigo

Commander Kojiro

So are you saying that a Prime Minister cannot be an intellectual or philosopher?

I'm saying that people who are intellectuals or philosophers, but not politicians, can be separated from their personal habits and political convictions easily when discussing their attitudes and beliefs.

Politicians cannot easily be separated from politics.

Not really. Oskar Lange was an economist, so an intellectual, and he was a prominent Socialist. Trying to prove that socialism would economically work, which it didn't. As well as Adam Smith who was an early philosopher of Capitalism which would put him on the "right" side of the spectrum. Philosopher's philosophize and thinkers think. Lots of times on the things they like.

Wendigo

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And regardless on my knowledge of Churchill and the UK Conservative Party, the quote is meant to influence Americans, not the British.

That's silly, as it was allegedly spoken by a Brit. Surely he would be speaking to influence Brits. Or at least limies.

Maybe before, if there was't a global community...and no internet.

[Wendigo]

Internet? Churchill barely overlapped into the early years of television. You couldn't network your UNIVAC.

Radio they had, although one generally addressed one's own.

[Cat McHall]

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