bluewolfcub
Sleepysmile
No one wants to be seperated from God unless they've been influenced to do so and do not understand what they do. We are ignorant and can not understand God's ways.
We are children to God, 'we know not what we do'.. Jesus said, " Forgive them, they know not what they do. " and truer words have never been spoken.
How can you justify sending people to Hell if they don't know, according to the Bible, what they're doing?
That's what christians who preach are for, and if they don't, they're not doing their job!
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Now, there should be a purpose for Hell other than storage.. somewhere to put God-created waste, which he is willing to abandon for some odd reason.
It is pointless, therefor purposeless to send people to Hell because it achieves nothing. It doesn't teach anyone a lesson, it isn't necessary, God could easily save these people. He has to power to spare us from torment for our mistakes ( or God's mistake of creating imperfect beings, then blaming them when they're not perfect ) yet, he does nothing.
I have the urge at this point to compare it to prison - locking away people who don't behave.
Anyway, I guess the answer to that one, as usual, is free will. We have the choice not to end up in hell, if we do, that's our fault. And ending up in heaven would probably ruin it for everyone else, if we didn't deserve to be there in the first place and started being mean or something.
And it's not necessarily torture I *think*, since I think the torment is implied simply in the being away from god bit.
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That is abandonment, and a parent would never abandon their child.
Never say never. It happens.
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Would you abandon someone you love for their mistakes?
Let's say you have a child who is completely self-destructive and harms others because of their actions. For the 18 years they've lived under your roof, you've tried to set them on the right path[well, not starting quite from birth I suppose, but let's stay they start really, really acting up from age...10?], away from being abusive or mean, and later on, to try and get them away from alcohol and drug abuse. No matter what you do, you can't seem to stop them. But you don't want to force them away from it, you understand that they should want to stop of their own free will. But after many a year, it just goes on, and gets worse. Maybe it's moved onto murder and such. Do you keep them around, causing harm to everyone around them, or try and get them put away into rehab or something? Many would wash their hands of the child in that situation. Because they had the choice to not live that way, but they turned their back on it, and you.
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Get this straight: No one asked to be born, and we would all be perfect if we could.
No, I'm pretty sure a lot are happy not being perfect. A scary amount. Again, never say never.
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I think even most simple people wouldn't mind being perfect and knowing which religion to follow, and never make mistakes.
Simple? If they are simple and not too caught up in insane wordly matters like how much money they have or houses they have, or who they can manipulate for whatever gain, perhaps.
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If it was up to me, I'd be perfect. However, we don't have THAT kind of free will.
But we try our best.
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EDIT: Not a bad answer, though. Simple, but clever.
Thanks
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**Note: I'm arguing purely as devil's advocate here; I'm not christian.
" That's what christians who preach are for, and if they don't, they're not doing their job! "
That doesn't change a thing. A Christian telling me God exists doesn't make it certain, especially when I know more about Christianity than a majority of so-called Christians.
How can we be judged on something so opinionative? It just doesn't make sense.. why are we blamed if we do not follow something that does not make sense to us?
"I have the urge at this point to compare it to prison - locking away people who don't behave."
It's not about behavior, though. It's about belief. People don't get locked away for their beliefs... well, not anymore.
" That is abandonment, and a parent would never abandon their child. " ~
Sleepysmile
" Never say never. It happens. " ~
bluewolfcub
I meant a loving parent, as I was comparing them to the assumed Christian God. Most parents would give their life for their Children. Does human love and forgiveness outweigh the love and forgiveness of God? In my experiance, it would seem so.
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No matter what you do, you can't seem to stop them. But you don't want to force them away from it, you understand that they should want to stop of their own free will. But after many a year, it just goes on, and gets worse. Maybe it's moved onto murder and such. Do you keep them around, causing harm to everyone around them, or try and get them put away into rehab or something?
Look.. people are sent to Hell for not believing in God. Nothing else... once they're in the afterlife, I'm pretty sure they'll be convinced. Good people go to Hell.
And Hell isn't like prison or rehab.. it's not some sort of reform, people don't learn a lesson.. it's not a punishment. It's a one way street.. no matter how many times you beg for mercy, you scream God's name and call for help, according to the Bible there will be no answer.
It's funny how now that these people in Hell now know the truth, and may call for God.. beg for forgiveness of their foolish mistakes during life, that for some reason now it's too late. That you HAVE to believe in God before you die.. during life, which is uncertain and confusing, un-fair and opinionative.
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No, I'm pretty sure a lot are happy not being perfect. A scary amount. Again, never say never.
Yet, humanity as a whole is a perfectionist. Society is a perfectionist. People damn near expect you to be perfect already.
Actually, I almost said something about trying our best at the end of my orginal post. I was going to say something about, " All we can do is try our best. "
But, apparently our best isn't always good enough for God, for some reason.
I've also said in a previous discussion:
" We may not be able to choose our path. But we can choose to walk it. "
Ask if you'd like a link to that discussion, though I thought I'd posted the link somewhere in this thread.
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