Gaza shelling by Israel leads to deadliest day of conflict

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Tasala

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1.http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/israel-admits-ethiopian-women-were-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519?v=B41FAF0E493F45EFB51A755677FDB329
2. Actually what they want is their damn land back but full rights and citizenship could easily create a single nation with little or no bloodshed. They do NOT want to force out or kill all the Jews. They have issues with ISRAEL and ZIONISTS not jews in general. You're falling for the Israeli propaganda. The PA has even accepted Israel's right to exist and yet Israel continues to land grab with settlements and kill or arrest Palestinians. Israel also refuses to accept Palestine right to exist or that it's even it's own country. That's because if they acknowledged both things they would have to admit that Palestine has the right to defend itself.

1. Haaretz isn't a reliable source.
2. Then why is Hamas saying otherwise? They're the government so we deal with their government. I know the Palestinian people wish otherwise but until they have a more level-headed leadership we deal with what we have. The Arabs of Palestine refused and still refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist since 1947 while the Israelis' government opinions vary from term to term.
3.(for you other post) Actually Hamas has suicide bombers. Surprise surprise. Of course not all Palestinians are suicide bombers, but as I said, ruling government. As for having more rights - then why are they killing atheist reporters?

1. Why not? Because they're secular and anti - Zionist?
2. So you're going to completely ignore the PA and the West Bank? Or are they not Palestinian to you? See Hamas has recently joined the PA. The PA, which is the government of the West Bank mainly, has stated Israel's right to exist. Why are you denying that Palestinians now have a government which says Israel has the right to exist?
3. Except that, again, Hamas does not rule all of Palestine. They rule GAZA which is not the entirety of Palestine.

I'd like again source for the suicide bombers and the killing of atheist reporters. Something recent please.

Speaking of killing reporters, you do know that Israel has targeted reporters in Gaza right? They specifically targeted a car with two Palestinian journalists in the last conflict and in this conflict they sniped a reporter in the head. They also bombed a media building in the Las conflict on purpose as well.

If you want a reliabe source try searching Ynet-english
theire reports come straight from the source as its happening. You can even see when code red is issued and for where. Israel sees anywhere harboring or firing rockets as a target whether there are civilians or not. Hamas extremists use there loved ones asa human shield.

And why is ynet reliable and not biased while Haaretz, which is the OLDEST news source in the region, is unreliable and biased?

So an open beach where preteens where playing soccer was harboring rockets? So the various people in hospitals with absolutely no intelligence stating that there were any rockets in the building are human shields?

See here's the thing. Hamas is the government for Gaza. Just like in all countries government officials live with civilians. The people living in apartments surrounding Hamas governed officials are NOT HUMAN SHIELDS.

Plus, people living in buildings that have rockets or might have rockets beneath them are not suddenly militants. It is still wrong and a war crime to kill those CIVILIANS. Do you agree with the US sending drones to destroy militants homes in Yemen therefore also killing their families?

If canada dropped leaflets, called our phones, and texted residents of Minnesota to leave the area because Canada was going to attack our make believe stash of maple syrup bombs.Now say, then the said Minnesota residents were threatened to be killed by their families if they leave, It sure looks like theire families are using them to make it look like Canada is taking out more civilians. hence human sacrifice/ human shield.

Your analogy is extremely off. Minnesota has a lot of space and a low population density. Gaza has the same population density as Boston. So imagine Boston without subways and limited public transportation and completely cut off from all land around it being the one bombed.

A few other things. Reports of Israel warning residents is highly exaggerated. They give people very little time and sometimes give no time at all. Their "warning shots" kill people at lot of the time as well.

Lastly, there are no reports of people being forced to stay in their homes a stand become martyrs. In fact, a lot of people have been killed outside their homes either playing or fleeing.

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Tasala

no further discussion will be ad until somone with inteligence arrives.

Says the one who doesn't even use proper English...

[Chaos_Edict]

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Tasala

no further discussion will be ad until somone with inteligence arrives.

Says the one who doesn't even use proper English...

To be fair, Tasala didn't say she was ending it. Or even really moving the discussion onward.

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3. Except that, again, Hamas does not rule all of Palestine. They rule GAZA which is not the entirety of Palestine.

And lets be fair, they don't even do it legitimately.

They're less a government and more the de-facto big stick.

They actually are a government and they supply, or try to supply, their people with necessities such as health care and education.

I don't think a Paramilitary organisation that got in to power via a coup can honestly be considered a legitimate government.

And I don't know how Hamas can afford to try and provide Gaza with resources when they're busy using them to fight Israel.

Actually they were democratically voted into office. It was not a coup. Also, a lot of nations were run by paramilitary or even military organizations when they were emerging. Though it does depend on how you define paramilitary.

Maybe because they, like all countries, divide money and resources between helping their people and defense.

You are correct in saying they "were". That government was dissolved because Hamas refused to accept Abbas' control over military forces and eject Fatah by force from Gaza where most of their resources are.

The Gaza government isn't in power because it was elected, it's in power because it removed it's competitors by force.

Even now any attempt to reconcile to the forces and unify the government has always been based on the agreement to cease attacks against Israel, to which Hamas rarely agrees.

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3. Except that, again, Hamas does not rule all of Palestine. They rule GAZA which is not the entirety of Palestine.

And lets be fair, they don't even do it legitimately.

They're less a government and more the de-facto big stick.

They actually are a government and they supply, or try to supply, their people with necessities such as health care and education.

I don't think a Paramilitary organisation that got in to power via a coup can honestly be considered a legitimate government.

And I don't know how Hamas can afford to try and provide Gaza with resources when they're busy using them to fight Israel.

Actually they were democratically voted into office. It was not a coup. Also, a lot of nations were run by paramilitary or even military organizations when they were emerging. Though it does depend on how you define paramilitary.

Maybe because they, like all countries, divide money and resources between helping their people and defense.

You are correct in saying they "were". That government was dissolved because Hamas refused to accept Abbas' control over military forces and eject Fatah by force from Gaza where most of their resources are.

The Gaza government isn't in power because it was elected, it's in power because it removed it's competitors by force.

Even now any attempt to reconcile to the forces and unify the government has always been based on the agreement to cease attacks against Israel, to which Hamas rarely agrees.

That's not entirely true. What happened was that Fatah rejected Hamas' right to power in Gaza and attacked them. Hamas did not start that conflict. They won siad conflict anf mainly forced Fatah out of Gaza. This was before the PA and Abbas.

Actually, just a few weeks before the kidnapping of those 3 teenagers Hamas joined the PA. Hamas and the PA/Fatah have been getting along in recent years but every time they get closer to working together Gaza gets attacked. The same thing happened with the last conflict.

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Lovely how they don't report on Hamas firing rockets, breaking the ceasefire.

No no no, don't you see? Hamas didn't break the ceasefire. They just decided to start firing again.

Israel broke the cease-fire by responding.

At least, that's how people prefer to see it, because a Secular state with a Jewish majority is somehow seen as some horrible affront to modern Liberals sensibilities.

Israel is NOT secular. They are ruled by a Jewish belief system. They don't even have civil marriage. Plus their white, European Jewish majority is completely forced due to their policies which include forced sterilization of non white Jews and the fact that they would never even consider making all of Palestine Israeli, including making all of the Palestinians citizens, even though that would end the damn conflict for good.

This is good pro-nazi speech here

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Question: how many HAMAS have died? How many of the terrorist-bent that wish to hurl rockets into Israel, how many of them have died? Or do they wish to continue and have their wives and children murdered for the sake of yellow journalism?

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LoveLoud837

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Silvia Crow

Lovely how they don't report on Hamas firing rockets, breaking the ceasefire.

No no no, don't you see? Hamas didn't break the ceasefire. They just decided to start firing again.

Israel broke the cease-fire by responding.

At least, that's how people prefer to see it, because a Secular state with a Jewish majority is somehow seen as some horrible affront to modern Liberals sensibilities.

Israel is NOT secular. They are ruled by a Jewish belief system. They don't even have civil marriage. Plus their white, European Jewish majority is completely forced due to their policies which include forced sterilization of non white Jews and the fact that they would never even consider making all of Palestine Israeli, including making all of the Palestinians citizens, even though that would end the damn conflict for good.

This is good pro-nazi speech here

You're illogical. Nothing I said has anything to to with the Nazis or their ideals. Especially since being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-Jew.

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LoveLoud837

Question: how many HAMAS have died? How many of the terrorist-bent that wish to hurl rockets into Israel, how many of them have died? Or do they wish to continue and have their wives and children murdered for the sake of yellow journalism?

So you just automatically believe the racist anti-Palestine rhetoric then? Way to think for yourself. rolleyes

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LoveLoud837

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Silvia Crow

Lovely how they don't report on Hamas firing rockets, breaking the ceasefire.

No no no, don't you see? Hamas didn't break the ceasefire. They just decided to start firing again.

Israel broke the cease-fire by responding.

At least, that's how people prefer to see it, because a Secular state with a Jewish majority is somehow seen as some horrible affront to modern Liberals sensibilities.

Israel is NOT secular. They are ruled by a Jewish belief system. They don't even have civil marriage. Plus their white, European Jewish majority is completely forced due to their policies which include forced sterilization of non white Jews and the fact that they would never even consider making all of Palestine Israeli, including making all of the Palestinians citizens, even though that would end the damn conflict for good.

This is good pro-nazi speech here

You're illogical. Nothing I said has anything to to with the Nazis or their ideals. Especially since being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-Jew.

keep telling yourself that

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LoveLoud837

Question: how many HAMAS have died? How many of the terrorist-bent that wish to hurl rockets into Israel, how many of them have died? Or do they wish to continue and have their wives and children murdered for the sake of yellow journalism?

So you just automatically believe the racist anti-Palestine rhetoric then? Way to think for yourself. rolleyes

No because I do think for myself! Look at your facebook, look at your twitter, its nothing but anti-israel garbage. HMMMMMMMMM.... 200 people dead in Palestine to........ 1 person dead in Israel, why is Israel killing Palestinians? People like you don't ask that question! People like you just assume Israel is bad. People like you want to destroy Israel for NO OTHER REASON THAN ANTI SEMITISM.

Palestine is launching rockets into Israel. Israel is protecting its people with bomb shelters and the Iron Dome. Palestine is protecting its rockets with women and children. When you THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of listening to PROPAGANDA in the form of memes, you can come to your senses. There is a REASON Palestinians haven't been welcome in Lebanon, in Jordan.

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LoveLoud837

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LoveLoud837

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Silvia Crow

Lovely how they don't report on Hamas firing rockets, breaking the ceasefire.

No no no, don't you see? Hamas didn't break the ceasefire. They just decided to start firing again.

Israel broke the cease-fire by responding.

At least, that's how people prefer to see it, because a Secular state with a Jewish majority is somehow seen as some horrible affront to modern Liberals sensibilities.

Israel is NOT secular. They are ruled by a Jewish belief system. They don't even have civil marriage. Plus their white, European Jewish majority is completely forced due to their policies which include forced sterilization of non white Jews and the fact that they would never even consider making all of Palestine Israeli, including making all of the Palestinians citizens, even though that would end the damn conflict for good.

This is good pro-nazi speech here

You're illogical. Nothing I said has anything to to with the Nazis or their ideals. Especially since being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-Jew.

keep telling yourself that

I will because it's this thing called the truth that you seem to not be familiar with.

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They actually are a government and they supply, or try to supply, their people with necessities such as health care and education.

I don't think a Paramilitary organisation that got in to power via a coup can honestly be considered a legitimate government.

And I don't know how Hamas can afford to try and provide Gaza with resources when they're busy using them to fight Israel.

Actually they were democratically voted into office. It was not a coup. Also, a lot of nations were run by paramilitary or even military organizations when they were emerging. Though it does depend on how you define paramilitary.

Maybe because they, like all countries, divide money and resources between helping their people and defense.

You are correct in saying they "were". That government was dissolved because Hamas refused to accept Abbas' control over military forces and eject Fatah by force from Gaza where most of their resources are.

The Gaza government isn't in power because it was elected, it's in power because it removed it's competitors by force.

Even now any attempt to reconcile to the forces and unify the government has always been based on the agreement to cease attacks against Israel, to which Hamas rarely agrees.

That's not entirely true. What happened was that Fatah rejected Hamas' right to power in Gaza and attacked them. Hamas did not start that conflict. They won siad conflict anf mainly forced Fatah out of Gaza. This was before the PA and Abbas.

Actually, just a few weeks before the kidnapping of those 3 teenagers Hamas joined the PA. Hamas and the PA/Fatah have been getting along in recent years but every time they get closer to working together Gaza gets attacked. The same thing happened with the last conflict.

What Fatah rejected was Hamas' ability to create an executive military force, and refused to accept Hamas' election victory as blanket control over Palestinian forces. In addition the PA military, which is largely aligned with Fatah was refusing to take orders from Hamas.

After Dahlan's failed attempt to move Hamas from power, Hamas responded by doubling down on it's militia, which Abbas declared illegal, and used it to flex their de-facto power in Gaza in direct opposition to existing Palestinian security forces. By that point any attempt by Abbas to maintain control of Gaza brought Fatah forces into direct conflict with Hamas, who basically went on a full offensive not long after. After that Abbas seem fully in the right declaring a state of emergency, seeing as a chunk of the PA had just basically been annexed by the now ruling party's executive militia.

And that agreement is dubious. They've tried it several times in the past 8 years, and like every agreement Abbas asserted it was based on the principles of a non-violent government which recognize Israel's right to exist, something I've honestly yet to see Hamas admit to.

Annoyingly, all it's done instead of trying to moderate Hamas it turn the Israeli institution against Fatah and the PA.

Edit: Also, it wasn't before the PA and Abbas.

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Truth is back up with facts. You keep going on about how you won't back up your argument until the other side backs up theirs. You should be stating your source when you spout the rhetoric in the first place. Now, I haven't made a decision either way, not with recent events, but I'm sick and tired of you saying your right and everyone else is wrong or deluded.

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LoveLoud837

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LoveLoud837

Question: how many HAMAS have died? How many of the terrorist-bent that wish to hurl rockets into Israel, how many of them have died? Or do they wish to continue and have their wives and children murdered for the sake of yellow journalism?

So you just automatically believe the racist anti-Palestine rhetoric then? Way to think for yourself. rolleyes

No because I do think for myself! Look at your facebook, look at your twitter, its nothing but anti-israel garbage. HMMMMMMMMM.... 200 people dead in Palestine to........ 1 person dead in Israel, why is Israel killing Palestinians? People like you don't ask that question! People like you just assume Israel is bad. People like you want to destroy Israel for NO OTHER REASON THAN ANTI SEMITISM.

Palestine is launching rockets into Israel. Israel is protecting its people with bomb shelters and the Iron Dome. Palestine is protecting its rockets with women and children. When you THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of listening to PROPAGANDA in the form of memes, you can come to your senses. There is a REASON Palestinians haven't been welcome in Lebanon, in Jordan.

Except for the fact that I have actually done my research and don't pay attention to mainstream media because it lies and spins stories all the time. I am not listening to propaganda; you are. There is NO EVIDENCE of human shields. There is also NO EVIDENCE showing that most of the sites Israel had hit actually hold weapons.

Actually Palestinians don't want to move to those countries seeing as they are freer and have more rights in Palestine. Even under occupation. They actually have democratically elected officials. Women can vote and be educated. Over 95% of Palestine is educated. There is no Sharia law in Palestine.

Look. I used to be like you. Completely on Israel's side. Until I actually did some research and saw all the horrible acts Israel commits against the Palestinians. I can not side with Israel when they build illegal settlements, bulldoze Palestinian homes, kill civilians and strangle the development of Palestine with blockades and buffer zones. What Israel does is WRONG.

Ps. That is not to say that I side with Hamas and don't belive that they do wrong as well. I side with the PLO and President Abbas.