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Crazy or not, if this is true then at best it's Premeditated Murder and at worst, Malice of Forethought. Either way, this guy should get to sit in the electric chair a few times.
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I get the point the article is trying to make, but this part was mind-boggingly bad:

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Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.


So, does anyone really think that would have solved anything in this situation? Remember this guy came in wearing a ballistics helmet, bulletproof vest, bulletproof leggings, gas mask and gloves. Oh and don't forget the smoke bombs he used. The last thing any person with concealed carry is going to do is fire into a panicked crowd against that. The threat of causing more injury is far too great.


actually, his vest was not bulletproof


Ok I stand corrected on that item. I just read a lot of the articles where people were calling it body armor, and given the rest of the defense was bulletproof I made an incorrect conclusion. Thanks for the correction.


and that means that, honestly, someone with a CCW could have made a difference, since his center-of-mass was the one thing he left completely unprotected ( incidentally, the part that all shooters train to aim for is the center-of-mass, because it's a large target, it has a lot of things to disrupt, and it can bleed a whole lot, real fast. all of this adds up to it being the single weakest point on an unarmored human being )
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I get the point the article is trying to make, but this part was mind-boggingly bad:

Quote:
Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.


So, does anyone really think that would have solved anything in this situation? Remember this guy came in wearing a ballistics helmet, bulletproof vest, bulletproof leggings, gas mask and gloves. Oh and don't forget the smoke bombs he used. The last thing any person with concealed carry is going to do is fire into a panicked crowd against that. The threat of causing more injury is far too great.


actually, his vest was not bulletproof


Ok I stand corrected on that item. I just read a lot of the articles where people were calling it body armor, and given the rest of the defense was bulletproof I made an incorrect conclusion. Thanks for the correction.


and that means that, honestly, someone with a CCW could have made a difference, since his center-of-mass was the one thing he left completely unprotected ( incidentally, the part that all shooters train to aim for is the center-of-mass, because it's a large target, it has a lot of things to disrupt, and it can bleed a whole lot, real fast. all of this adds up to it being the single weakest point on an unarmored human being )


You still have a heavily armed opponent with the element of surprise as well as visual distractions, low lighting, and a crowded room of panicked people running in fear. You think the average CCW permit holder can deal with all that plus their own emotions and panic in check to take the clean shot? Do you think someone won't just accidentally get in the way? The odds that they injure or kill someone innocent is far greater than them taking out the gunman in this case.
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Aurora Colorado shooter may have chosen a smaller theater because of their gun policy.


Headline and disguised opinion from Fox "News" are totally misleading.

Not a single word in the article quotes the shooter or anybody connected with investigating the case. It's all speculation and agenda pushing.

Plus, this is not news. It's an OPINION. It says so right in the link to unfair and unbalanced Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/
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After seeing that the "source" is "Fox News", I pretty much waved it aside. This is on par with 'if slaved owned guns they wouldn't be slaves' theory. I am waiting for an article that substitutes guns for light-sabers just to add to the absurdity.
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Aurora Colorado shooter may have chosen a smaller theater because of their gun policy.


Headline and disguised opinion from Fox "News" are totally misleading.

Not a single word in the article quotes the shooter or anybody connected with investigating the case. It's all speculation and agenda pushing.

Plus, this is not news. It's an OPINION. It says so right in the link to unfair and unbalanced Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/


Would you have rather it had been posted by Huffington Post? Perhaps another liberal website??
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After seeing that the "source" is "Fox News", I pretty much waved it aside. This is on par with 'if slaved owned guns they wouldn't be slaves' theory. I am waiting for an article that substitutes guns for light-sabers just to add to the absurdity.


I am sorry that the writer did not accuse anyone of being racist, change history, or praise the U.N. in some ridiculous way. I will be more considerate with my sources for now on. Would you like to recommend a liberal website or perhaps a tv program??
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In Australia no cinemas allow guns. Because why the hell would you need a gun at the movies?

But I can't help but notice there aren't mass shooting in Australian theatres...



So then you Australians have no murder?? No crime?? No suicide?? You people are amazing!! emotion_jawdrop

Yes, because 'less gun crime per capita' means no crime at all. rolleyes

But seriously, I think America has more gun crime because of cultural reasons, not because of the gun laws.
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In Australia no cinemas allow guns. Because why the hell would you need a gun at the movies?

But I can't help but notice there aren't mass shooting in Australian theatres...



So then you Australians have no murder?? No crime?? No suicide?? You people are amazing!! emotion_jawdrop


Yes, because 'less gun crime per capita' means no crime at all. rolleyes

But seriously, I think America has more gun crime because of cultural reasons, not because of the gun laws.


So nobody dies from murder, burglary and rape?!?! I should move there immediately!! I could live forever!! I have no idea why there is any police or military in Australia, there is no need for them since there is no war or crime!!

I am immune to my own sarcasm.


President James Madison once said, “A government that does not trust its law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust.”
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I get the point the article is trying to make, but this part was mind-boggingly bad:

Quote:
Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.


So, does anyone really think that would have solved anything in this situation? Remember this guy came in wearing a ballistics helmet, bulletproof vest, bulletproof leggings, gas mask and gloves. Oh and don't forget the smoke bombs he used. The last thing any person with concealed carry is going to do is fire into a panicked crowd against that. The threat of causing more injury is far too great.


actually, his vest was not bulletproof


Ok I stand corrected on that item. I just read a lot of the articles where people were calling it body armor, and given the rest of the defense was bulletproof I made an incorrect conclusion. Thanks for the correction.


and that means that, honestly, someone with a CCW could have made a difference, since his center-of-mass was the one thing he left completely unprotected ( incidentally, the part that all shooters train to aim for is the center-of-mass, because it's a large target, it has a lot of things to disrupt, and it can bleed a whole lot, real fast. all of this adds up to it being the single weakest point on an unarmored human being )


You might be interested in this.
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I get the point the article is trying to make, but this part was mind-boggingly bad:

Quote:
Concealed carry is much more frequent than many people believe. With over 4 percent of the adult population in Colorado having concealed handgun permits, a couple hundred adults in Cinemark’s movie theater #9 means that there is an extremely high probability that at least one adult would have a permit.


So, does anyone really think that would have solved anything in this situation? Remember this guy came in wearing a ballistics helmet, bulletproof vest, bulletproof leggings, gas mask and gloves. Oh and don't forget the smoke bombs he used. The last thing any person with concealed carry is going to do is fire into a panicked crowd against that. The threat of causing more injury is far too great.


actually, his vest was not bulletproof


Ok I stand corrected on that item. I just read a lot of the articles where people were calling it body armor, and given the rest of the defense was bulletproof I made an incorrect conclusion. Thanks for the correction.


and that means that, honestly, someone with a CCW could have made a difference, since his center-of-mass was the one thing he left completely unprotected ( incidentally, the part that all shooters train to aim for is the center-of-mass, because it's a large target, it has a lot of things to disrupt, and it can bleed a whole lot, real fast. all of this adds up to it being the single weakest point on an unarmored human being )


You might be interested in this.


I have plenty wild mass speculation of my own, I don't need a site that demands my Facebook credentials to supply me with more wild mass speculation.

now, if you have some facts, I might be interested.
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After seeing that the "source" is "Fox News", I pretty much waved it aside. This is on par with 'if slaved owned guns they wouldn't be slaves' theory. I am waiting for an article that substitutes guns for light-sabers just to add to the absurdity.


interestingly enough, "owning firearms" actually is one of the rights denied to slaves during that timeframe. and it was the freeing of the slaves what lead to the first discussions of gun control in the US.

I guess there's no connection between the two, though
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That's exactly what he did, I've been saying this for a while, and If someone in that theatre had been armed, could they have saved lives, it's a possibility, but would they have been a major deterrent? You're darn skippy. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
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Ok I stand corrected on that item. I just read a lot of the articles where people were calling it body armor, and given the rest of the defense was bulletproof I made an incorrect conclusion. Thanks for the correction.


and that means that, honestly, someone with a CCW could have made a difference, since his center-of-mass was the one thing he left completely unprotected ( incidentally, the part that all shooters train to aim for is the center-of-mass, because it's a large target, it has a lot of things to disrupt, and it can bleed a whole lot, real fast. all of this adds up to it being the single weakest point on an unarmored human being )


You might be interested in this.


I have plenty wild mass speculation of my own, I don't need a site that demands my Facebook credentials to supply me with more wild mass speculation.

now, if you have some facts, I might be interested.


Mrr, I actually forgot that it wasn't open anymore.

Anyway. I'll get you those facts, as I assure you that most of the people on there have access to knowledge an average person wouldn't, or wouldn't seek out, when my IP address isn't being blocked by everything...

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