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“The learning curve is real and needs to be addressed,” Ms. Reller said.
No s**t.
In recent weeks, tech news sites have been reporting that Windows Blue will bring back the start menu.
I'm kind of laughing because there are several popular (mostly free) apps that bring back the start menu and other functions taken away or moved by Windows 8. It sounds like MS is at least acknowledging they alienated a lot of customers and is trying to address that. I hope they make it a free upgrade for those who already purchased.

After Bumpy Start, Microsoft Rethinks Windows 8

REDMOND, Wash. — Windows Blue, the code name for an update to the Microsoft’s flagship operating system, sums up the current melancholy in the PC business pretty well, though Microsoft didn’t intend it that way.

PC shipments are slumping and the declines in the industry have gotten worse, not better, since a major overhaul of Microsoft’s operating system, Windows 8, came out last fall. If it were possible for PCs to sing, there’s little doubt they would be singing the blues.

Microsoft’s basic vision for Windows 8 has not changed — an operating system flexible enough to run on traditional PCs, tablets and everything in between — but the company is for the first time confirming that it is making changes to the software to address some of the problems people have when using it. In a recent interview at Microsoft’s headquarters, Tami Reller, the chief marketing officer and chief financial officer of the Windows division, revealed that Windows Blue will be released this calendar year and will include modifications that make the software easier to learn, especially for people running it on computers without touch screens.

“The learning curve is real and needs to be addressed,” Ms. Reller said.

Ms. Reller wouldn’t get into the specifics of how Microsoft plans to do that, saying the company will reveal further details over the next several weeks in the lead-up to Build, a Microsoft developer conference in San Francisco. But she dropped some hints.

Two of the biggest changes Microsoft made with Windows 8 was the new tile-based interface of the software and the removal of the start menu for launching programs, a feature of the operating system for almost two decades. In recent weeks, tech news sites have been reporting that Windows Blue will bring back the start menu.

Even more significantly, according to these reports, Microsoft will allow Windows users to configure their systems so they start on the traditional-looking Windows desktop when they start their systems. Microsoft didn’t allow that initially, steering all users to the new tile interface, which is best suited for people running systems with touch screens.

Ms. Reller wouldn’t confirm those changes, but she said Microsoft had changed how it was training sales associates in retail stores as they present Windows 8 to customers so that they emphasize how important the desktop remains as a part of the software. “We started talking about the desktop as an app,” she said. “But in reality, for PC buyers, the desktop is important.”

Ms. Reller said Microsoft’s own research on Windows 8 usage patterns showed that customer satisfaction with the system was on par with that of Windows 7, when the Windows 8 users being analyzed have tablets or other systems equipped with touch screens. Of people with conventional PCs, operated by keyboard and mice or trackpads, Ms. Reller said, “We need to help them learn faster.”

In another development, Ms. Reller said Microsoft was allowing its hardware partners to make Windows 8 tablets with screen sizes in the range of seven to eight inches, smaller than the nine-inch-plus tablets that have been available so far. That could give Microsoft a stronger answer to the iPad mini, which has been a strong seller for Apple.

Ms. Reller described Windows Blue several times as an “update” to Windows 8, though she wouldn’t say whether the software would be available free to people who have already bought Windows 8 computers. The company has already issued hundreds of smaller updates to Windows 8 that are automatically downloaded to users’ computers.

Ms. Reller said Microsoft had sold about 100 million licenses for Windows 8 since the software was introduced, roughly in line with the number of Windows 7 licenses sold in the comparable amount of time after its introduction. While research firms like IDC are showing double-digit declines in PC shipments, Ms. Reller said those figures reflected sales into retail channels, not to actual customers. She said Microsoft was seeing consistent growth in PCs going through the online activation process that everyone with a new PC has to do.

“New PCs coming online is far steadier than what you see from IDC,” she said. “That’s encouraging to us.”

Still, Ms. Reller said the 100 million figure was less than it could have been had there been more touch-based Windows 8 systems available when the product was introduced before the holidays last year. Supplies of Windows 8 touch systems were limited in retail stores, especially outside the United States, in large part because of production delays for a new Intel processor. Ms. Reller said that supply problem should be remedied in the coming months.

“For back-to-school and holiday, we’ll be very pleased,” she said.
People were not happy with the major redesign of the familiar, tried and true product they've been using for decades? Go figure.

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Windows 8 was pretty easy to learn.....I like how you can just type right onto the start screen and the program comes up. On the other windows you can't just start typing on the desktop.

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Yeah, not everybody even has a touch screen - nor will they. I never will. It is hard enough for me to have my arms up for any length of time.

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My mom asked me last month how she was supposed to access Microsoft Word on our family computer, but I told her I didn't know because I never use our family computer. I'm happy with my Windows 7 laptop that I use more often than not. My dad's an idiot for upgrading to Windows 8 and not telling/teaching my mom about it first.

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I really have to wonder about the person that names this stuff... Do they not realize that 'Blue' and 'Windows' usually means it doesn't work?
I also would really like them to realize that with the way things are now (economy wise) upgrades that have a high investment (in terms of cost as well as learning time) are not a good idea.
I would also like them to acknowledge that they are not able to run all programs on Win8.
I know I might have a dino with my single core, pent 4, running Win7, but damnit... Win 8 is not an option.

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People were not happy with the major redesign of the familiar, tried and true product they've been using for decades? Go figure.


Before MS was a juggernaut a lot of their advertising centered around how they maintain the look and feel of Windows (and their other software) from version to version so you don't have to relearn the software with each new release. They have apparently long given up on that theme.

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Thank God. I went to one of the Microsoft stores and checked out some of the new computers, and was completely baffled by the product they were trying to show me.

"LOL, what are you using the mouse for? It's all touch-screen now."

"B-but I like my mouse!"

"Oh! Check it out! You can have all this stuff open at the same time and come back to it at any point! You just have to..." *swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe* "...and that's how you quantify dark matter on a Y-Z axis!"

"...Lolwut?"

I'm 17, and they make me feel like an old lady who's never seen a computer before. gonk

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Yeah, not everybody even has a touch screen - nor will they. I never will. It is hard enough for me to have my arms up for any length of time.


I'm not impressed with touch screen PCs. They have their uses - like they are great at a kiosk interacting with the public where you don't want folks messing with a keyboard and mouse. Also of course for some netbooks and such. But as a replacement for my desktop PC or laptop they are just a PITA. Why should I want to extend my arms and touch my screen for everything I want to do on my desktop? Tired arms, dirty screen, much slower than mouse / keyboard and currently costs more too.

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Windows 8 was pretty easy to learn.....I like how you can just type right onto the start screen and the program comes up. On the other windows you can't just start typing on the desktop.


That's great if you know the name of what you want. If you don't remember the name and want to browse for the program or file MS made that harder in Windows 8 than previous versions. The problem isn't nifty features MS added (like that start typing the name thing) but rather the features they took away or made harder to find.

Easy to learn is relative. I helped a friend transition to a new computer. She is great at what she does for a living and an expert well respected by many but her work does not revolve around the computer. For her it is just a tool she uses to do a few things like type documents and send email. The transition was very confusing for her. I finally installed a shell to give her back her start menu and some other features. IMO nothing was gained by MS removing the start menu.

A perhaps more telling (IMO) aspect of the changes is I have many years under my belt providing tech support for every version of windows since it started (back when you still had to load it over top of MS DOS) (and before windows MS Dos and TRS Dos) and even I found it a pain figuring out how to do many things I already knew how to do in previous versions. For most of those changes there was no inherently obvious reason for the change other than Microsoft's penchant for trying to make new versions seem 'new' and 'different'. This is hardly the first time MS has done that but Windows 8 may be one of the worst offenders.

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People were not happy with the major redesign of the familiar, tried and true product they've been using for decades? Go figure.


turns out, most people are adverse to change, even when it's changing to something that improves on the original.

what Windows did, though, was to just change it for the sake of changing it, for no tangible benefit, which tends to go over even less well than changing for the better

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I really have to wonder about the person that names this stuff... Do they not realize that 'Blue' and 'Windows' usually means it doesn't work?
I also would really like them to realize that with the way things are now (economy wise) upgrades that have a high investment (in terms of cost as well as learning time) are not a good idea.
I would also like them to acknowledge that they are not able to run all programs on Win8.
I know I might have a dino with my single core, pent 4, running Win7, but damnit... Win 8 is not an option.


Perhaps MS thinks it has been long enough everyone has forgotten about the BSOD.
To be fair, I have not had a BSOD or a core dump in ages but I agree from that perspective blue isn't the best color. Probably they were counting on the fact that psychologically blue makes people think of safety and security and to a point calmness.

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Yeah, not everybody even has a touch screen - nor will they. I never will. It is hard enough for me to have my arms up for any length of time.


I'm not impressed with touch screen PCs. They have their uses - like they are great at a kiosk interacting with the public where you don't want folks messing with a keyboard and mouse. Also of course for some netbooks and such. But as a replacement for my desktop PC or laptop they are just a PITA. Why should I want to extend my arms and touch my screen for everything I want to do on my desktop? Tired arms, dirty screen, much slower than mouse / keyboard and currently costs more too.


not to mention somehow less accurate than keyboards and mice, and the fact that a mouse pointer is much smaller and made more readily transparent than a finger, meaning it's easier to see what you're doing while you're doing it. with a touchscreen, clicking a link is an adventure, since by clicking it, you're covering it up, and can only see if you hit the specific link you wanted ( in a cluster of links like on wikis, for instance ) after it's been clicked. with a finger, the absence of visual stimuli when selecting something needs to be augmented with the inclusion of tactile stimuli, or we're literally in the dark on what we're doing.

with a mouse, I can hover over the one I want and just the one I want, get a solid confirmation that my pointer isn't spilling onto another link ( my primary experience with touchscreens that don't use a Sheetz OS and order me nachos is on less-than-7-inch screens, like mp3 players and borrowed smartyphones and the like ), and click, all without losing sight of the link in question. no guesswork, no hassle, no inexplicably zooming the screen because the device can't tell a tap from a pinch.

fecking simplicity, my friends. that's what we need to be focusing on.

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Windows 8 was pretty easy to learn.....I like how you can just type right onto the start screen and the program comes up. On the other windows you can't just start typing on the desktop.


and by all means, that's a great feature worth keeping.

wasn't worth what we had to give up in trade for it, though.

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Thank God. I went to one of the Microsoft stores and checked out some of the new computers, and was completely baffled by the product they were trying to show me.

"LOL, what are you using the mouse for? It's all touch-screen now."

"B-but I like my mouse!"

"Oh! Check it out! You can have all this stuff open at the same time and come back to it at any point! You just have to..." *swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe* "...and that's how you quantify dark matter on a Y-Z axis!"

"...Lolwut?"

I'm 17, and they make me feel like an old lady who's never seen a computer before. gonk
emotion_awesome Gawd I lol'd at this! Thank you

Now, I wonder what they'd do if I walked over eating a bag of Cheetos from the front area of the store!
"So I just reach over and ... " *swipes whole hand on screen*trololololol emotion_awesome

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