Ratttking
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Mmmhmm. So, we're not instituting a full and proper quarantine for the measles. Wonderful. Flu is not quarantined at all apparently and causes numerous deaths each year. Not touching on HIV, I see, for which there is no vaccine and thus can only be completely prevented from transmitting via quarantine. Herd immunity is not in effect for HIV.
It's hypocritical to want ANYONE who is unvaccinated allowed in. His special snowflake is far more likely to contract and transmit a disease than a person with a properly functioning immune system, yet he does not care of the risks his son and others like him pose to the public. I asked this before, whom would he blame if his son were infected by one of the kids who was not vaccinated for medical reasons? He's A-OK with their presence. What if he got it from a young child who had not yet received his second MMR and was in the 2-5% for whom the first shot did not take effectively? If he wants to think of unvaccinated kids as potential vectors, he need look no farther than his own sickly offspring to find one.
Are we still talking about travel restrictions? Because if we are, then no one needs to travel in or out-of-country, ever, it is a choice for them to do so. If we are talking schooling, the kids of anti-vaxxers have no choice as to their medical treatment, so why do you not show the same pity for them, and for the offspring of religious nut-jobs? These kids might develop sense and get their shots when they grow up, but the allergic people will remain allergic and unvaccinated and thus potential vectors for the rest of their lives. Hopefully the immunocompromised will recover to the point they can receive their shots, but if not, they too remain potential vectors forever.
It's hypocritical to want ANYONE who is unvaccinated allowed in. His special snowflake is far more likely to contract and transmit a disease than a person with a properly functioning immune system, yet he does not care of the risks his son and others like him pose to the public. I asked this before, whom would he blame if his son were infected by one of the kids who was not vaccinated for medical reasons? He's A-OK with their presence. What if he got it from a young child who had not yet received his second MMR and was in the 2-5% for whom the first shot did not take effectively? If he wants to think of unvaccinated kids as potential vectors, he need look no farther than his own sickly offspring to find one.
Are we still talking about travel restrictions? Because if we are, then no one needs to travel in or out-of-country, ever, it is a choice for them to do so. If we are talking schooling, the kids of anti-vaxxers have no choice as to their medical treatment, so why do you not show the same pity for them, and for the offspring of religious nut-jobs? These kids might develop sense and get their shots when they grow up, but the allergic people will remain allergic and unvaccinated and thus potential vectors for the rest of their lives. Hopefully the immunocompromised will recover to the point they can receive their shots, but if not, they too remain potential vectors forever.
emotion_facepalm Ratt, I should make you do my medical micro classwork. You are missing some key points with your bizarre insistence that all diseases be treated equally. The world does not work that way. Microbiology DEFINITELY does not work that way. Neither does immunology.
You seemed to have overlooked the pity question. It was not rhetorical, it is valid, so please answer.
Actually, I was able to rent the textbook for something in the $25~$30 range. I was pleasantly surprised by that. Now to keep the rabbit from eating it so I don't have to pay full price.
As for the pity question, no, I'm not really being moved by pity. More out of understanding and a virulent (har har) hatred of this 'anti-vaxx' bullshit. I just accept that you cannot vaccinate 100% of the population and you cannot fix an immune system. If you could, I would definitely not be spending 2+ weeks getting over what amounts to a 3 day cold in others. So I understand that the immune system can be a crap shoot at times. The same with human health in general.
I argue instead because I want people to be aware of just how horrible the anti-vaccination movement it and just how dangerous it is on a public health front. People talk about how the chickpox is 'mild', but seriously? I vividly remember having it, and I couldn't have been older then preschool. It was horrible. I still have literal scars from it on my torso because child-me couldn't stop scratching. I would have killed for the chicken pox immunization. And it horrifies me that parents would somehow find inflicting that misery on their children preferable to a freaking *shot*. To me it's tantamount to child abuse. And that's not even going into the probability of shingles later in life.
And finally, sorry, I really don't feel like arguing micro and epidemiology right now, so I won't continue anymore. I'm tired and I have a bloody genetics exam to worry about. Maybe this weekend when I pick up that classwork again.
I think the anti-vaxxers are stupid myself, but that does not mean their children should have no rights to public education because of them while unvacced allergic and sick kids get a pass. Frankly, as allergic to everything as each year's new crop of kids turns out, I think we'll soon reach the point that there will be too many of them for herd immunity to work, so what do you propose doing when - not if - that occurs?
I wonder if you have the same cold I do, the one that's stuck around since the end of last year. Everybody I've talked to that's had it was sick for weeks. Feel better and good luck on your test. Please PM me to continue when you feel up to it, as this thread should be long-gone by then but I am enjoying our discussion.
