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An entire generation of parents has spent years panicking about the effects of hookup culture on girls. But what about boys? That’s the question Rosalind Wiseman takes on in this week’s issue of TIME. Wiseman may be familiar to you as the author of Queen Bees and Wannabes, her look at the social rivalries of girls (on which Tina Fey based the movie Mean Girls). For her new book, Masterminds and Wingmen, she delves into the world of boys. As the mother of two boys, she was eager to make sure that their side of the story was not left out. During two years of research, she interviewed hundreds of boys across the country — individually, in groups, over the course of extended e-mail correspondences — and their stories are really quite striking.

As Wiseman writes, we assume that boys are the perpetrators and beneficiaries of hookup culture — and thus we tend to ignore its effects on them. But those effects, it turns out, can be rather rough.

Boys and young men are much more complicated than our popular culture acknowledges. Here, then, are nine surprising things Wiseman discovered about boys, drawn both from her book and from her piece in this week’s magazine. Join TIME to read the full piece here.

1. There’s little difference between boys and girls when it comes to sexual behavior
Hookup culture isn’t as bad as parents believe. According to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit that promotes reproductive health and rights, only 16% of teens have had sex by age 15. And there is little difference between the genders in the age of first intercourse. There’s also little difference in the rates of oral sex.

2. There’s a big difference, though, in the suicide rate
Girls are more likely to report depression and attempting or contemplating suicide — but boys are much more likely to die from suicide. For every 100 girls in the 15-to-19 age group who commit suicide, 394 boys in the same range kill themselves, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. High school is when the suicide rate for boys spikes to four times the rate for girls, whereas in early adolescence it is three times the rate for girls. That gender gap has been consistent since 1991.

3. There’s also a big difference in how boys and girls are performing academically
As Wiseman notes, a working paper this summer from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that from the 1980s to the 2000s, the mode (that is, statistically, the value that appeared most often) of girls’ high school GPA distribution shifted from B to A, essentially leaving boys behind, as the mode of boys’ GPA distribution stayed at B. College enrollment has followed the same pattern. Whereas 58% of college students in 1970 were men, by 2010, 57% of college students were women, according to a recent study by the Harvard Graduate School of Education.

4. Boys get terrible advice about sex
As Wiseman discusses in her piece and at more length in her book, parents are terrible at talking to boys about sex. While they might have extensive sex talks with their daughters — about respecting themselves, about birth control, about not being taken advantage of — advice to boys, aside from warnings about STDs, can be a little … simplified. Seventy percent of boys report having never discussed how to use a condom or other birth-control methods with their parents.

5. Boys obsess over texts and flirting too
Think boys don’t obsess over texts and flirting the way girls do? You’d be wrong. Characters from Girls could hardly do a better job of picking apart linguistic minutiae.

6. Boys are as emotionally invested in relationships as girls
Recent research shows that boys get every bit as emotionally invested in adolescent relationships as girls do — the main difference being that boys feel far less in control of how those relationships progress.

7. Their dumb behavior isn’t always as dumb as it looks
Take “dibs.” Even something as juvenile-seeming as dibs (that is, one boy calling dibs on hooking up with a girl, as if she were a choice seat on the bus) has a very specific function in male friendships — namely, avoiding conflict — and is subject to an elaborate set of rules that is remarkably consistent among boys of all backgrounds. (You have to make it recognized that you liked a girl first to call dibs, you can’t call dibs if you have no chance with the girl, you can’t call dibs just to annoy your friend, etc.)

8. Though, sometimes it is
The “bro code,” however, can have its dark side, such as when out-of-control behavior by peers ends up left unchecked. An 18-year-old high school student tells the story of a time at a party when he watched some boys get drunk and aggressive with girls, touching and grabbing.

9. Boys do feel conflicted about hookup culture
To go back to the beginning, while we think boys should be thrilled with easy (or at least easier) access to sex, their feelings are more complicated. Boys tell Wiseman intimate stories throughout her book and article. Theirs is the story usually left untold in any look at hookup culture. Wiseman has provided a much-needed corrective.


http://ideas.time.com/2013/11/22/9-reasons-hookup-culture-hurts-boys-too/

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That's interesting.

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      I am disappointed that it has taken this long in our lifetime for situations like these to be brought to attention for males, but I'm glad nonetheless that it's finally being pointed out.

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A big no s**t? The only people who don't realize this are very young people, those who are inexperienced with sex and relationships, and sexist assholes.
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This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?

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shadowmoon522


This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


i was going with the double standard part of this thread
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shadowmoon522


This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


i was going with the double standard part of this thread


How about this; they both ******** suck. There.

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shadowmoon522


This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


Well, the OP does go into detail about how boys have the same feelings, but fewer safety nets ( the split on the way "the Talk" is handled and the "boys are affected by relationships just as hard, but feel they have less say in the matter" as an example ) kinda leads to this as an expansion on that theme. Specifically, by pointing out that, in addition to the differences in how the sexes are treated in the parts of the relationship mentioned in the OP, there's the fact that abusive relationships ( which is a danger in the relationship game ) have two different perspectives in society, based on who is abusing whom.
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shadowmoon522


This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


Well, the OP does go into detail about how boys have the same feelings, but fewer safety nets ( the split on the way "the Talk" is handled and the "boys are affected by relationships just as hard, but feel they have less say in the matter" as an example ) kinda leads to this as an expansion on that theme. Specifically, by pointing out that, in addition to the differences in how the sexes are treated in the parts of the relationship mentioned in the OP, there's the fact that abusive relationships ( which is a danger in the relationship game ) have two different perspectives in society, based on who is abusing whom.


Fair enough, but it's the usual men are victims and women suck meme being put around. So I had to ask.

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shadowmoon522


This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


Well, the OP does go into detail about how boys have the same feelings, but fewer safety nets ( the split on the way "the Talk" is handled and the "boys are affected by relationships just as hard, but feel they have less say in the matter" as an example ) kinda leads to this as an expansion on that theme. Specifically, by pointing out that, in addition to the differences in how the sexes are treated in the parts of the relationship mentioned in the OP, there's the fact that abusive relationships ( which is a danger in the relationship game ) have two different perspectives in society, based on who is abusing whom.


Fair enough, but it's the usual men are victims and women suck meme being put around. So I had to ask.


The meme may be used for that, but that doesn't seem to be the case based upon the context, here.

Or, at least, if he DID mean it in that context, then we can at least find a teaching moment about a valid issue buried in the muck.

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This has WHAT to do with hookup culture, again?


i was going with the double standard part of this thread


How about this; they both ******** suck. There.



      Of course they both suck, but as you can plainly see, for years and generations men have been given a different standard and expectation from society. The double-standard in that post with the domestic abuse is only the tip of the iceberg of issues between the sexes.

      In an ideal world, both sexes work together to prevent this crippling issue. In reality, it isn't happening and won't happen for some time.

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That's rather interesting, actually.

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